Creation, where's the Proof.

[Arikay]

I correction,

Saying the "bible" sounds almost like idol worship, so you need to change it, and make it ok by saying "the words of god as written in the bible"
Its still worshiping what the bible says, but at least it sounds more like he is following gods will.

 

[Follower of Christ]

Today at 11:01 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #120



I couldn't help but notice that you didn't mention any names.

But I bet I can fill in the blanks:

You worship the God of the Bible.

You do as the Bible commands.

You know you're saved because the Bible says so.

The Bible is what guides you through life.

By all means, correct me if I've mistaken.

I get it, you believe in that New Age God that is the one ''god'' that we're ALL supposedly worshipping.

This should be very interesting to see how you handle yourself on that day where its promised that you WILL bow your knee to Jesus Christ and you tell Him that His word meant nothing...

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 01:47 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #102

I can see that you're going to be a hard one to convince. 

Even if you could convince them, a rubber band can only stretch so far. Within a day or two, Satan would have them right back into bondage again. They do not seem to want to be saved.

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 01:36 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #101


My agnosticism gives me a great relationship with God: I don't bother Him; He doesn't bother me. 

There are two different types of people that God can use to accomplish His purpose: Those who are for Him, and those who are against Him. It is the people who flip flop back and forth that give God the most amount of trouble. In order for God to use people to accomplish His purpose, they need to be consistant. Then He can perdict what they will do in a given situation.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Today at 11:10 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #122


I get it, you believe in that New Age God that is the one ''god'' that we're ALL supposedly worshipping.

I offered yo ua chance to correct me; you didn't. How interesting.

This should be very interesting to see how you handle yourself on that day where its promised that you WILL bow your knee to Jesus Christ and you tell Him that His word meant nothing...

If I ever hear God's word, it will mean quite a lot to me. I just don't think I'll find it all neatly written down in your book.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

There are two different types of people that God can use to accomplish His purpose: Those who are for Him, and those who are against Him. It is the people who flip flop back and forth that give God the most amount of trouble. In order for God to use people to accomplish His purpose, they need to be consistant. Then He can perdict what they will do in a given situation.

Are you saying that God can't predict what a person will do in a given situation? What happened to omnipotence?

The Frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Follower of Christ]

Today at 11:30 PM Frumious Bandersnatch said this in Post #126



Are you saying that God can't predict what a person will do in a given situation? What happened to omnipotence?

The Frumious Bandersnatch

Boy I knew that was coming.....

 

[Nathan Poe]

Today at 11:20 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #124



There are two different types of people that God can use to accomplish His purpose: Those who are for Him, and those who are against Him. It is the people who flip flop back and forth that give God the most amount of trouble.

God has trouble doing things? Whatever happened to Omnipotence?

In order for God to use people to accomplish His purpose, they need to be consistant. Then He can perdict what they will do in a given situation.

God can't predict what I'll do? What happened to Omniscience?

So if God isn't all-knowing and all-powerful, what's the point of worshipping Him?

Keep it up, Johnny; you'll make an Atheist of me soon enough.

 

[Follower of Christ]

seems like the pirahna have smelled (or tasted) blood.........

 

[Nathan Poe]

Yesterday at 11:43 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #129

seems like the pirahna have smelled (or tasted) blood.........

So I'm a pirahna now. No matter. Dehumanizing one's adversary is the Christian way, or so I've noticed. You don't have to respect "the other" if they're not one of you.

In any case, you do have to admit it's kind of funny. Fundamentalist Christians claim to have the Holy Spirit inside them. They also claim that the Bible was inspired by the the Holy Spirit. So when they themselves cannot express themselves in clear, modern English, what does that do to the claim that the Bible, written in thousands of years of translated English, is infallable?

Just goes to show how tricky language can be.

"I don't swear just for the hell of it! Language is a poor enough form of communication; we need ever d*mn word we've got! And there are d*mn few of those words that everyone understands!" --Henry Drummond, Inherit the Wind (which I highly recommend)

 

[JohnR7]

Today at 09:41 AM Nathan Poe said this in Post #130  Fundamentalist Christians claim to have the Holy Spirit inside them. They also claim that the Bible was inspired by the the Holy Spirit. So when they themselves cannot express themselves in clear, modern English, what does that do to the claim that the Bible, written in thousands of years of translated English, is infallable? 

There are people who do not live holy, sanctified lives. In there case the Spirit just comes upon them and tends to come and go. Because they quench and grieve the Holy Spirit.

This is different from being filled or full of the Holy Spirit. In order to be used by God in this way, you have to pray, fast, & live in the word. You have to be Holy, dedicated, consecrated and set about for every good work.

Not all christians are willing to do what they need to do, in order to be used by God. In that case they should stick to a witness and a testimony and just telling people what God has done in their life. Really, our job is to lift up Jesus and to draw attention to Him and in doing so, we will not be drawing any attention to ourself.

I really think your a true seeker but you do not have much use for dogma or the doctorines of men. You know the truth when you see it and file it away for future use. Some day, that truth you filed away will be all you have left. I see it in my dad now that he is about 84 years old. He has lost so much memory, but he seems to remember what is right and true.  

 

[JohnR7]

Yesterday at 11:30 PM Frumious Bandersnatch said this in Post #126



Are you saying that God can't predict what a person will do in a given situation? What happened to omnipotence?

How could you live so long and learn so little? There are two things you have to take into consideration. The free will of man and the stewardship God gave man over the earth.

If you want, we would be glad to teach you about these things. If your interested to learn. But of course we can not teach something to someone who does not want to learn about it.

 

[wblastyn]

Take it to the apologetics forum, we discuss science here.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Today at 10:28 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #131



There are people who do not live holy, sanctified lives. In there case the Spirit just comes upon them and tends to come and go. Because they quench and grieve the Holy Spirit.

This is different from being filled or full of the Holy Spirit. In order to be used by God in this way, you have to pray, fast, & live in the word. You have to be Holy, dedicated, consecrated and set about for every good work.

Not all christians are willing to do what they need to do, in order to be used by God. In that case they should stick to a witness and a testimony and just telling people what God has done in their life. Really, our job is to lift up Jesus and to draw attention to Him and in doing so, we will not be drawing any attention to ourself.

And even those who are filled with the Spirit stumble now and again. That's part of what being human is all about. You stumbled on your definition of what God can and cannot do. But nobody's perfect.

I really think your a true seeker but you do not have much use for dogma or the doctorines of men. You know the truth when you see it and file it away for future use. Some day, that truth you filed away will be all you have left. I see it in my dad now that he is about 84 years old. He has lost so much memory, but he seems to remember what is right and true.  

John, this might be the nicest thing you've ever said about me

And you may be right. If I were to experience a divine revelation -- God appearing to me in no uncertain terms -- I'd be pretty foolish to wave Him off. But the only knowledge we have about God has been badly diluted through thousands of years of the "dogma and doctrine of men."

That's probably what Mark Twain meant when he said "If Christ were alive today, there's one thing He would not be -- A Christian."

And I do like your comment about me filing the truth away for future use. Don't we all? The difference is, I simply have a tougher screening process for determining what is "truth" and what isn't. Nothing escapes the screening process; even God will have to show two pieces of ID. It's even tougher than airport check-in.

So when that truth is all I have left, I'll know for certain that it's premium, high-octaine truth. That's why I have the Thomas Jefferson quote in my sig.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Today at 11:02 AM wblastyn said this in Post #133

Take it to the apologetics forum, we discuss science here.

A discussion on creationism strayed away from science?

Who'd have thunk it?