Creation - The Micro & The Macro

[Strong in Him]

Yes - I'm only going by what Mercator stated.

A guy who lived over 400 years ago and never went to the North Pole.

 

[Apple Sky]

Trickled through the sea that surrounds the Arctic? According to Encyclopaedia Britannica on the Euphrates:

"The river rises in Turkey and flows southeast across Syria and through Iraq."

I know, but God can do anything right & besides we are talking about the Garden of Eden being here the heart of the earth.

 

[Strong in Him]

I know, but God can do anything right & besides we are talking about the Garden of Eden being here the heart of the earth.

No, you were talking about the Garden of Eden being at the North Pole.

 

[Apple Sky]

No, you were talking about the Garden of Eden being at the North Pole.

Yes I know & it is.

 

[Apple Sky]

Mercator 1569 world map - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes I know & it is.

The North Pole isn't the centre of the earth.
Just as the heart isn't at the centre of the body.

 

[Apple Sky]

The North Pole isn't the centre of the earth.
Just as the heart isn't at the centre of the body.

It is where the Garden of Eden, Polaris and the Aurora Borealis is though and why all compasses point to the North.

King James Bible
For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. Psalm 75:6

 

[Phil G]

Mercator 1569 world map - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The first thing I noticed about this map is its title, which reads in English "New and more complete representation of the terrestrial globe properly adapted for use in navigation." So it is a map of the "globe" earth.

The second thing I noticed was that it was compiled by using charts already in existence and records of other voyages. I'm unable to find any reference to the earth being flat or Mercator traveling to the North Pole.

If the earth is a globe/sphere, which is acknowledged by Mercator in the text itself, then the North Pole cannot be at its centre, unless one is looking at it from the perspective of directly above the North Pole. But that still means the map is just a projection of a globe onto a flat map, which is again acknowledged in the text (Legend 3).

"....to spread on a plane the surface of the sphere in such a way that the positions of places shall correspond on all sides with each other both in so far as true direction and distance are concerned and as concerns correct longitudes and latitudes; then, that the forms of the parts be retained, so far as is possible, such as they appear on the sphere."

 

[Strong in Him]

It is where the Garden of Eden, Polaris and the Aurora Borealis is though and why all compasses point to the North.

That's a matter of opinion.
You said earlier that we are talking about the Garden of Eden being at the North Pole, then you show a clip which mentions the Garden of Eden being at the heart of the earth.
If the G of E is at the heart of the earth and the G of E is at the North Pole, therefore the North Pole must be at the heart of the earth.
But it isn't. The clue's in the name - north.

Besides that, you haven't answered how far it is from the NP to Asia, where the Euphrates runs.

 

[Strong in Him]

Mercator 1569 world map - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mercator's 1569 map was a large planisphere,[3] i.e. a projection of the spherical Earth onto the plane.

 

[Apple Sky]

Besides that, you haven't answered how far it is from the NP to Asia, where the Euphrates runs.

You never asked.

 

[Strong in Him]

You never asked.

Was the Garden of Eden at the North Pole?
Read Genesis 2 instead of conspiracy theorists. A river that flowed from Eden was separated into 4 headwaters; one of these was the Euphrates." Genesis 2:14.
How close is the Euphrates to the North Pole?

That doesn't answer my question. How close to the North Pole is the Euphrates?
Of the rivers listed, the Euphrates is the only one, I think, that we still have. It can be measured. How long is it and how close to the North Pole?

That doesn't answer my question.

One of the rivers which flowed from Eden was the Euphrates, Genesis 2:14. From there it split into 4 headwaters; one of which was the Euphrates.
Is the start, or end, of the Euphrates anywhere near the North Pole?

 

[Apple Sky]

@Strong in Him So I never answered, I don't know how to answer your question, what ever I say you will contradict as you don't believe Eden is at the NP that's b/c you see the earth different to me, you see it as sphere where as I see it as level. Not to worry each to his/her own.

 

[Phil G]

@Strong in Him So I never answered, I don't know how to answer your question, what ever I say you will contradict as you don't believe Eden is at the NP that's b/c you see the earth different to me, you see it as sphere where as I see it as level. Not to worry each to his/her own.

Mercator saw it as a sphere.

 

[Strong in Him]

@Strong in Him So I never answered, I don't know how to answer your question, what ever I say you will contradict as you don't believe Eden is at the NP that's b/c you see the earth different to me, you see it as sphere where as I see it as level. Not to worry each to his/her own.

I'm not going to contradict facts.

Fact 1. God planted a garden in the East, in Eden.
Fact 2. A river flowed from Eden and divided into 4 headwaters. One of these rivers ran through Cush, thought to be NW Mesopotamia. Another river was the Euphrates. Scripture doesn't tell us any more about this river - but we still have it today. It is 1,470 miles long and is in SW Asia.
Fact 3. You wrote about Eden being at the centre of the earth and posted a clip from YouTube. If Eden is at the centre of the earth it's not at the North Pole.
Fact 4. This thread is about the "Micro and the Macro"; how the earth resembles our bodies. You said that the heart was in the middle of the body - it isn't. You even posted a diagram which shows it near the top of the body.
Fact 5. You quoted a 400+-year-old map to try to prove your point. The guy who drew it believed in a spherical earth.

So the Bible says that the Garden of Eden was in the East - you say it was in the centre of the earth, which is the North Pole.

This had nothing to do with the shape of the earth
Either Eden was in the EAST, as the Bible says, in the NORTH, as you say, or in the CENTRE, which you also say.
If it is at the North Pole, can the 1,470-mile-long Euphrates run from there to Asia?

I'm not surprised you can't answer this. And without answers, and evidence, this remains your belief.
You're entitled to hold it; it's a free country, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

 

[Phil G]

It is where the Garden of Eden, Polaris and the Aurora Borealis is though and why all compasses point to the North.

King James Bible
For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. Psalm 75:6

I thought you believed Genesis to be true.

"The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed." Genesis 2:8 NKJV

"eastward" is not North.

 

[Apple Sky]

I'm not going to contradict facts.

Fact 1. God planted a garden in the East, in Eden.
Fact 2. A river flowed from Eden and divided into 4 headwaters. One of these rivers ran through Cush, thought to be NW Mesopotamia. Another river was the Euphrates. Scripture doesn't tell us any more about this river - but we still have it today. It is 1,470 miles long and is in SW Asia.
Fact 3. You wrote about Eden being at the centre of the earth and posted a clip from YouTube. If Eden is at the centre of the earth it's not at the North Pole.
Fact 4. This thread is about the "Micro and the Macro"; how the earth resembles our bodies. You said that the heart was in the middle of the body - it isn't. You even posted a diagram which shows it near the top of the body.
Fact 5. You quoted a 400+-year-old map to try to prove your point. The guy who drew it believed in a spherical earth.

So the Bible says that the Garden of Eden was in the East - you say it was in the centre of the earth, which is the North Pole.

This had nothing to do with the shape of the earth
Either Eden was in the EAST, as the Bible says, in the NORTH, as you say, or in the CENTRE, which you also say.
If it is at the North Pole, can the 1,470-mile-long Euphrates run from there to Asia?

I'm not surprised you can't answer this. And without answers, and evidence, this remains your belief.
You're entitled to hold it; it's a free country, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

It's so simple when you just quote scripture.

King James Bible
For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. Psalm 75:6

King James Bible
Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King. Psalm 48:2

 

[Phil G]

It's so simple when you just quote scripture.

King James Bible
For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. Psalm 75:6

King James Bible
Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King. Psalm 48:2

I have quoted Scripture.

"The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed." Genesis 2:8 NKJV

"eastward" is not North.

 

[Apple Sky]

I thought you believed Genesis to be true.

"The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed." Genesis 2:8 NKJV

"eastward" is not North.

Eastward yes, could have been North East.

 

[Phil G]

Eastward yes, could have been North East.

No that's not what Scripture says. It is "eastward", not "north eastward". Also North East would not be at the North Pole and therefore not at what you call the centre of the earth.