Creation - The Micro & The Macro

[Strong in Him]

He must have done to map it so accurately & to have wrote a letter to John Dee.

I'm sure I could produce a map of Rome if I put my mind to it - and I've never been there.
Anyone can write a letter. What did he say - during my trip to the North Pole?

 

[Apple Sky]

I'm sure I could produce a map of Rome if I put my mind to it - and I've never been there.

What - One so accurate as Mercator's, I don't think so.

Two pages with fire damage of Mercator's 1577 letter to John Dee. Whole letter at British Museum.

Letter Dated 1577 from Mercator to John Dee

In the midst of the four countries is a Whirl-pool . . . into which there empty these four indrawing Seas which divide the North. And the water rushes round and descends into the earth just as if one were pouring it through a filter funnel. It is four degrees wide on every side of the Pole, that is to say eight degrees altogether. Except that right under the Pole there lies a bare rock in the midst of the Sea. Its circumference is almost 33 French miles, and it is all of magnetic stone. . . .

 

[Strong in Him]

What - One so accurate as Mercator's, I don't think so.

Well, I haven't got the skill and I've no intention of trying. But I would imagine it's far easier today; seeing as we have computers, the internet, powerful cameras, drones and so on. We have Google earth for a start - you can zoom right in on a location and see streets and so on.

But did he say in his letter that he'd been to the North Pole, or is that supposition on your part?

 

[David Lamb]

He must have done to map it so accurately & to have wrote a letter to John Dee.

But he didn't. Early maps of unvisited parts of the world used guess-work. Do you have any evidence that Mercator did actually go to the North Pole?

 

[David Lamb]

What - One so accurate as Mercator's, I don't think so.

Two pages with fire damage of Mercator's 1577 letter to John Dee. Whole letter at British Museum.

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Letter Dated 1577 from Mercator to John Dee

In the midst of the four countries is a Whirl-pool . . . into which there empty these four indrawing Seas which divide the North. And the water rushes round and descends into the earth just as if one were pouring it through a filter funnel. It is four degrees wide on every side of the Pole, that is to say eight degrees altogether. Except that right under the Pole there lies a bare rock in the midst of the Sea. Its circumference is almost 33 French miles, and it is all of magnetic stone. . . .

But the letter doesn't make any mention of him actually having been there, does it?

 

[Apple Sky]

Do you have any evidence that Mercator did actually go to the North Pole?

Only the letter he wrote to John Dee.

 

[Strong in Him]

Only the letter he wrote to John Dee.

The letter which never says that he went there?

 

[Apple Sky]

But the letter doesn't make any mention of him actually having been there, does it?

No, just stating what it was like, how would he know this if he hadn't been there & why did they carry on using Macators maps up until the 1940's ?

 

[Apple Sky]

The letter which never says that he went there?

I've just answered this.

 

[Strong in Him]

No, just stating what it was like, how would he know this if he hadn't been there

Anyone can write a description of anything; it doesn't mean that they've been to the place or know the person.

When men got to the North Pole in the 1900's, did they say "Gosh, this is exactly how Mercator described it; he must have got here 400 years ago, when there was no transport"?

why did they carry on using Macators maps up until the 1940's ?

They were probably good/detailed maps; it doesn't mean he went to the North Pole.
Your whole argument is based on supposition - "well, he MUST have; he wrote a letter." People who've investigated such things, the Guinness Book of Records and so on say that the first person to reach the North Pole was centuries later; not when Mercator was alive.

 

[Apple Sky]

When men got to the North Pole in the 1900's, did they say "Gosh, this is exactly how Mercator described it;

No because late explores have never been to north pole except for Admiral Byrd & don't give me all this nonsense about, 'but so & so did'.

 

[Strong in Him]

No because late explores have never been to north pole except for Admiral Byrd & don't give me all this nonsense about, 'but so & so did'.

It's not "my nonsense"; it the whole of the Web's "nonsense". National Geographic, Encyclopaedia Britannica, Guinness Book of Records - all lying, I suppose?

But anyway, did Admiral Byrd say that the North Pole was exactly how Mercator described it?

Sorry, but you still haven't proved that he went there.
How is he supposed to have reached the North Pole? Taxi to the airport, maybe? Train, plane and then car? This was the 1500's.

 

[David Lamb]

Only the letter he wrote to John Dee.

But does he say in that letter that he had actually been to the North Pole? I couldn't see it if he did.

 

[David Lamb]

No because late explores have never been to north pole except for Admiral Byrd & don't give me all this nonsense about, 'but so & so did'.

So you seem quite prepared to believe that Mercator, who lived hundreds of years before the first recorded visit, and never seems to have said that he had been there, visited the North Pole, but you won't accept the accounts of the 20th Century explorers besides Admiral Bird who have been there? It's not nonsense to say people such as Ranulph Fiennes have been there.

 

[Herman Hedning]

No, just stating what it was like, how would he know this if he hadn't been there & why did they carry on using Macators maps up until the 1940's ?

Maybe you could try to actually read a translation of Mercators letter to Dee. One is easily found using the google link you posted here. Then you will find that Mercator got all of this from two books, Gestae Arthuri and Inventio fortunatae, that he claims to have read but have not since been found. And surely you are aware that geographical knowledge from that time usually was heavily embellished with strange sea monsters, dragons, bigfoots, and other not-so-real information?

 

[Apple Sky]

Maybe you could try to actually read a translation of Mercators letter to Dee. One is easily found using the google link you posted here. Then you will find that Mercator got all of this from two books, Gestae Arthuri and Inventio fortunatae, that he claims to have read but have not since been found. And surely you are aware that geographical knowledge from that time usually was heavily embellished with strange sea monsters, dragons, bigfoots, and other not-so-real information?

Tree Of Life 4 Waters Enoch 26-32 Garden Of Eden At The North Pole Genesis 2:10-14

Was the Garden of Eden at the North Pole ? Where was the Garden of Eden ? Hyperborea is a legendary land in Greek mythology, located to the far north of the known world, beyond the North Wind. This tr

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[Strong in Him]

Tree Of Life 4 Waters Enoch 26-32 Garden Of Eden At The North Pole Genesis 2:10-14

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Was the Garden of Eden at the North Pole?
Read Genesis 2 instead of conspiracy theorists. A river that flowed from Eden was separated into 4 headwaters; one of these was the Euphrates." Genesis 2:14.
How close is the Euphrates to the North Pole?

 

[Apple Sky]

A river that flowed from Eden was separated into 4 headwaters;

So did the North pole now there's a coincidence don't you think ?

 

[Strong in Him]

So did the North pole now there's a coincidence don't you think ?

Only for people addicted to conspiracy theories who see them everywhere.

The Euphrates is a river that we know, is around today and can be researched.
How long is it? Where does it start and end? How close is it to the North Pole?
Find out the facts, not theories.

 

[Apple Sky]

Only for people addicted to conspiracy theories who see them everywhere.

The Euphrates is a river that we know, is around today and can be researched.
How long is it? Where does it start and end? How close is it to the North Pole?
Find out the facts, not theories.

You do realize that this thread is referring to the Micro (the body) to the macro (the earth).
I placed the center of the earth as the heart of the body as this is where all the mechanisms of the earth goes on & the rivers represent the veins in our body.

I was hoping that folks here would see the bigger picture.