Creation: Six Days or not?

[Scholar in training]

Do you believe those who are YEC are from bible schools in the South, while those are old Earth and progressive evolutionists are from more liberal and educated insitutions?

It is very odd that many "educated" liberals will believe in evolution, and tout their education in one moment, but in the next immediately throw out their reason when it comes to the dogma of the faith. I have seen more than one liberal who believes that we can hold two mutually exclusive ideas at the same time in regards to God's nature and Christian fellowship - this is all done in the name of "ecumenism".

It is a life of FAITH, not of intellect and reason, but a life of knowing Who makes us "go." Oswald Chambers- Quotes From "My Utmost For His Highest"(p 79)

Faith and reason are not mutually exclusive.... While reason should not trump "faith", we should remember that God's written revelation (Scripture) cannot contradict any other kind of revelation or work of God (nature). Truth cannot contradict truth.

 

[Grunt]

Could God have created the universe in six literal days? I believe so.
Did he? The evidence completely disagrees with that theory, so I have to say "no."
So how was the universe created? Good question. Modern science has some fascinating theories, but ultimately it's hard to conclusively describe an event that occured 15-odd billion years ago. It's doubtful that we'll ever have a hard answer.

Didn't vote in the poll due to lack of options. Ultimately don't really care about this debate because the issue is practically irrelevant.

 

[zaire]

Exodus 20:9-11
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

[KEPLER]

The Bible says 6 days!!! How can any say that God didnt create everything in 6 days!

Yes in translation in english but not in Hebrew, it can be "eons" or periods of time.

jinkazama,

Sadly, the YECers are also likely to be the ones who think that the Apostle Paul wrote in good King James English...

Presenting them with actual facts regarding original languages and translation is more likely to fly right over their heads than not....s'truth!

Kepler

 

[KEPLER]

Chuck Norris doesnt believe in evolution. 'nuff said.

jack from Wichita,

As I said earlier to Lynn (curiously, she did not reply)...Just because someone does not believe that the Bible teaches that the days of creation were 6 "24-hour periods", it does NOT (either logically or necessarily) follow that they DO blieve in evolution.

Kepler

 

[zaire]

Yes in translation in english but not in Hebrew, it can be "eons" or periods of time.

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Biblical uses of the word ‘day’:
a. The Hebrew word for day (yom) is used 2301 times in the Old
Testament. Outside of Genesis 1:​

i.​

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Yom + ordinal number (used 410 times) always indicates an ordinary
day.
ii. The words ‘evening’ and ‘morning’ together (38 times) always
indicate an ordinary day.​

iii.​

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Yom + ‘evening’ or ‘morning’ (23 times each) always indicates an
ordinary day.​

iv.​

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Yom + ‘night’ (52 times) always indicates an ordinary day.

b. Genesis 2:4—Yom is not qualified with a number or the phrases
‘evening and/or morning,’ and represents a period of time.

c. Exodus 20:11—The basis for our week is the six days of creation
and one day of rest.

d. The Israelites walked around Jericho for seven days, not an indeterminate
number of days.

e. Jonah was in the whale for three days, not three thousand years.

f. 2 Peter 3:8—In context, this verse is showing God is outside of time, and is not attempting to define a ‘day.’

http://www.answersingenesis.org/cec/study_guides/answersSG2.pdf​

 

[KEPLER]

Do you believe those who are YEC are from bible schools in the South, while those are old Earth and progressive evolutionists are from more liberal and educated insitutions?

YEC are become more and more like a circus. Get with the times.

jinks,

just one bone of contention with, which is the geographical snobbery Not all schools in the South are so, erm, backwards. And not all schools elsewhere are "progressive".

Kepler

 

[jckstraw72]

As I said earlier to Lynn (curiously, she did not reply)...Just because someone does not believe that the Bible teaches that the days of creation were 6 "24-hour periods", it does NOT (either logically or necessarily) follow that they DO blieve in evolution.

haha i know. i just wanted to throw in some Chuck Norrisness.

 

[KEPLER]

Biblical uses of the word ‘day’:
a. The Hebrew word for day (yom) is used 2301 times in the Old
Testament. Outside of Genesis 1:​

i.​

Yom + ordinal number (used 410 times) always indicates an ordinary
day.
ii. The words ‘evening’ and ‘morning’ together (38 times) always
indicate an ordinary day.​

iii.​

Yom + ‘evening’ or ‘morning’ (23 times each) always indicates an
ordinary day.​

iv.​

Yom + ‘night’ (52 times) always indicates an ordinary day.

b. Genesis 2:4—Yom is not qualified with a number or the phrases
‘evening and/or morning,’ and represents a period of time.

c. Exodus 20:11—The basis for our week is the six days of creation
and one day of rest.

d. The Israelites walked around Jericho for seven days, not an indeterminate
number of days.

e. Jonah was in the whale for three days, not three thousand years.

f. 2 Peter 3:8—In context, this verse is showing God is outside of time, and is not attempting to define a ‘day.’

http://www.answersingenesis.org/cec/study_guides/answersSG2.pdf​

Ah, yes, the usual Ken "If you don't believe in six literal 24-hour days of creation, then you're going to HELL" Ham claptrap. Rubbish fit for small minds.

Tell me, bytheway, why is there no "evening and morning" on the SEVENTH day??? (Hint: There is GREAT theological significance to the absence!!!)

Kepler

 

[KEPLER]

haha i know. i just wanted to throw in some Chuck Norrisness.

Kewl.

 

[jckstraw72]

Tell me, bytheway, why is there no "evening and morning" on the SEVENTH day???

the 7th day was up until Pascha, and now we be in the 8th day (i think). BUT, the symbolism does not NECESSARILY negate a literal meaning.

 

[jckstraw72]

although, God blessed and sanctified the 7th day on which He rested--does this mean every single day up until Pascha was blessed? Whats the specialness of the Sabbath then?

 

[jckstraw72]

"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made"--Genesis 2:4-- to me this sounds like, after resting on the 7th day, God sanctified all the coming 7th days, bc He HAD rested.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

THE 8th DAY!

AKA Eternity

YEAH! 1000 points!

Forgive me....

 

[Breetai]

Kepler, I haven't read this whole thread, but how long ago to you say that Adam was created?

 

[Joykins]

I still think it's sad that Christians have to debate on this subject when the Bible speaks clearly. Why do you have to nitpic everything to death, just believe what it says!

This is where I have problems. No doubt you'll think it nitpicky.

Were the animals created before or after human beings?

Use Genesis 1 AND Genesis 2 to answer this...

 

[invisible trousers]

If God created the world in 6 literal days,

Then God is a complete liar who loves to fool his believers.

Truth cannot conflict. The truth of our physical world created by God can't be different than the truth of the bible.

Since the ramifications of a young earth create mockeries of both theology and science, I'm gonna say that the genesis creation story is not literal and God did not create the earth in six days.

 

[jckstraw72]

Since the ramifications of a young earth create mockeries of both theology and science, I'm gonna say that the genesis creation story is not literal and God did not create the earth in six days.

please explain

 

[invisible trousers]

It's quite simple! Let's start with science.

All the physical evidence we have points to evolution, an old earth, an old universe, etc. However, there is absolutely no physical evidence for a young earth; the creationism movement is seemingly unable to actually find something in our universe which supports their idea of a literal genesis. YEC teaches us to throw out any scientific principle (or totally lie about them) that disagrees with what we think a book says. In other words, blind adherance to religious dogma is more important than rational analysis.

Theology is also pretty simple; YEC tells us that God leaves His evidence of creation all over the universe but is lying to us in the bible since a literal genesis doesn't match up with a single piece of His evidence. We're then supposed to worship some being who has completely lied about our creation. I don't know about you, but I'm not really into the idea of worshipping a liar.

 

[Scholar in training]

All the physical evidence we have points to evolution, an old earth, an old universe, etc. However, there is absolutely no physical evidence for a young earth; the creationism movement is seemingly unable to actually find something in our universe which supports their idea of a literal genesis.

Please do not use such broad wording. While Genesis may be allegorical in the sense that the universe was not created in six literal days, it is not allegorical in regards to the existence of Adam and Eve as the first "human beings" with souls. Without Adam and Eve, we are either left with no concept of sin, or a Pelagian explanation of sin.