Creation Science

[RickG]

Actually, there are places where you can find all of the layers, but that is beside the point.

There is no expectation that we should find all of the layers at one place because there is no requirement for sedimentation to occur 100% of the time through history at one place without any erosion or total loss to subduction

Exactly.

 

[Loudmouth]

Exactly.

I really don't understand why this is so hard for creationists to understand. It is no different than a historical timeline where we take evidence from different places to construct a timeline. The same for geologic strata. At one place we may have layers A, D, F, H, and I. At another place we may have B, C, D, and E. By stitching these relationships together we can build the whole picture.

Why is this method such a problem for creationists? I can never get them to answer this question. Also, with direct radiometric dating of rocks, the age of the Earth really has nothing to do with the idealized geologic column pictures anyway.

 

[SkyWriting]

Oh? Does it have any insulation? Does it have running water? Electricity?

The insulation is shredded wood pulp, I added more myself.
The water runs downhill from an elevated storage tank even
if the electric is out. The electric was out a day or so from a storm and
the only interference in my life was enjoying life from the front porch.
When camping in Seattle I just stick my face in the stream and drink.

 

[SkyWriting]

Loudmouth said: ↑
Actually, there are places where you can find all of the layers, but that is beside the point.

There is no expectation that we should find all of the layers at one place because there is no requirement for sedimentation to occur 100% of the time through history at one place without any erosion or total loss to subduction

Exactly.

There are no requirements from scripture either.

 

[SkyWriting]

You do not understand how deep this goes; how many of the things you absolutely take for granted in your life that modern science made possible and without which you'd stand a good chance of dying.

I admit that clean water takes a little bit of technology. But the water problem
is a technological oversight to start with. Mostly chemical waste and runoff
thanks to you.

 

[MikeEnders]

So, if he was a Muslim, atheist, or Hebrew, I can criticize him?

Try your twisting with someone else. I neither said you could not criticize him nor did I say you would be free to criticize him based on his religion. I appealed to an authority that you allegedly accept.

1. I am not making a false accusation, and I am criticizing his science, not his religion.

Unless you have changed your OP which I quoted you accused the man of deliberate misrepresentation which is just another phrase for lying. Thats a personal character flaw if it were true and we both know it .At least have the guts to own your accusation not pretend you made no accusation.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Can we find evidence of the Exodus from Egypt at the Jericho site? Can we find evidence of an early church at Jericho? What about the history of the Catholic church? Is it also found at Jericho?

I would not be surprised if you could find a McDonalds at Jericho. It has been around a very long time.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I admit that clean water takes a little bit of technology. But the water problem
is a technological oversight to start with. Mostly chemical waste and runoff
thanks to you.

Clean water does not seem to be a problem for Dubai.

 

[MikeEnders]

I really don't understand why this is so hard for creationists to understand.

I really don't understand why you are fabricating that they don't understand. Even the creation.com piece understands that some of the claims the writer read on the internet 16 years ago were false. Whats so hard for you to get?

It is no different than a historical timeline where we take evidence from different places to construct a timeline. The same for geologic strata.

LOL.....No its not - of course its not "no different". I told you to come up with a better analogy but for all the reasons I stated before it just doesn't work as an equivalent regardless of what you claim about creationists not understanding. You could conceivably have all layers if even impartially as you concede in one location for the geological column. You could not have everything even impartially in the bible recorded in one location. somethings for example happen in the mountains and some in a valley some happen in a river some in desert. Its not like sedimentation that can happen anywhere.

Goodness......so easy to see but for some reason you persist in an awful comparison as if you are striking logical gold.

 

[MikeEnders]

There are no requirements from scripture either.

Despite his "exactly" bluster like he has been backed up none of them have produces a drop of evidences as to the charge of this thread - that of deliberate misrepresentation. Instead Rick is trying to back pedal that he made no accusation against the man but was just questioning his science. Nope...when you say deliberate misrepresentation you are accusing a person of lying.

Fess up Rick

 

[DogmaHunter]

David killed a tall guy with a slingshot. Thats hardly Superman and down the drain goes your claim of a Clark Kent Superman comparison. Skeptics just keep moving the goal posts. A few years ago it was there was no David at all as king then ooops....things like this started getting reported

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/12/141216100433.htm

When you have archaeologists reporting they found evidence of the Fortress of Solace call me and we'll do lunch.

Dude, that these ancient stories might or might not be based on actual historical things is not what the point is. Obviously a lot of it is going to take place in actual existing cities, sometimes featuring actually existing people.

But that doesn't mean the actual stories and all the fantastical magical bits are true.

Just because it turns out that "hey, there was a king named david as referenced in this story here" that we get to conclude anything about the rest of the bible - or even the rest of the story featuring this David.

 

[SkyWriting]

Clean water does not seem to be a problem for Dubai.

You mean because visitors can usually afford to bring their own?

Q: We will be visiting Dubai in a few weeks.Is the tap water in hotels and malls safe for tourists or should we plan on buying bottled water?
A: Water from the tap in Dubai won't kill you. That's the good news.The quality isn't too good in terms of taste, though. This very much depends on which area of Dubai you are in. As an example, I would never drink water in Karama whereas in Barsha I do. Friends told me that the water in Discovery Gardens sometimes smells a bit like crude oil.I would suggest drinking bottled water in any case if you are not used to drinking it in the Middle East.

 

[SkyWriting]

Despite his "exactly" bluster like he has been backed up none of them have produces a drop of evidences as to the charge of this thread - that of deliberate misrepresentation. Instead Rick is trying to back pedal that he made no accusation against the man but was just questioning his science. Nope...when you say deliberate misrepresentation you are accusing a person of lying.Fess up Rick

That's a very very old ploy. At creation debates, audience members will confront the creationist, after the debate, and spew out something published they feel "proves" the Creationist wrong. Then, from that point on they say the Creationist has been informed on his error, and any time the issue is repeated, he is deliberately misleading his followers. It's an ignorable claim.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You mean because visitors can usually afford to bring their own?

Dubai gets their water from the ocean. That is why they were able to build a city that otherwise has no fresh water supply. Even ships have their own water purification stations to clean the ocean water. A lot of the use of the water is to cool the building to make them more comfortable in that heat.

 

[SkyWriting]

Dubai gets their water from the ocean. That is why they were able to build a city that otherwise has no fresh water supply. Even ships have their own water purification stations to clean the ocean water. A lot of the use of the water is to cool the building to make them more comfortable in that heat.

Friends told me that the water in Discovery Gardens sometimes smells a bit like crude oil.
So the sea water tastes like crude oil? That's a problem for me.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Friends told me that the water in Discovery Gardens sometimes smells a bit like crude oil.
So the sea water tastes like crude oil? That's a problem for me.

I do not see what the problem would be to buy bottled drinking water. You may want to avoid drinking soda as that is not as clean as drinking water. At one time my tummy was getting sensitive to water. So I did a study and found some bottled water is more pure then others. When I started drinking the most pure water I could find I did not have any problems with that. Most people actually don't care how pure their water is, they simply go by the taste and if they like the taste or not. Which is usually determined by the minerals in the water. As for what water is most healthy there is no scientific consense on that right now. Some think minerals are good for you others think you should remove the minerals from your drinking water and just get minerals in your food.

My question continues to be what does the theory of evolution say about this and evolutionists still do not have an answer.

 

[Cearbhall]

Creation science claims to be a different interpretation of the same evidence that mainstream science uses. Is it? I say no, it is a deliberate dishonest misrepresentation of the same evidence.

I don't really know why they desire to call it "science." It's apparent that they aren't interested in science.

 

[RickG]

That's a very very old ploy. At creation debates, audience members will confront the creationist, after the debate, and spew out something published they feel "proves" the Creationist wrong. Then, from that point on they say the Creationist has been informed on his error, and any time the issue is repeated, he is deliberately misleading his followers. It's an ignorable claim.

You can provide an example?

 

[MikeEnders]

Dude, that these ancient stories might or might not be based on actual historical things is not what the point is.

Dude I don't care how much you want to squirm around the fact but fact it is that your side claimed David and SOlomon were made up characters and now you have to be running form that false claim. Thats the point

But that doesn't mean the actual stories and all the fantastical magical bits are true.

Try that nonsense with someone else. Whats more magical? a guy kills a man with a slingshot or everything pops out of nothing according to one of the chief ringleaders on your own side

http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/1451624468

You guys gave up the gee isn't religion stupid because it has the supernatural the day you still rally around Krauss. Sorry

 

[MikeEnders]

You can provide an example?

Perhaps he can but first why don't you actually provide an example of deliberate misrepresentation of a creationists which YOU said was what this thread would be about or at least admit your are peddling false accusations against a Christian