Creation, science, and the Nicene creed

[dad]

This site lets atheists sign up, so it would be rather pointless to allow that if one required absolute adherence to such faith statements.

NOT if one was supposed to be a christian! Many here claim God created via godless natural evolution.

(also, evolution isn't related to religion. Religion doesn't deal with evolution either. They are separate things.

False. Evolution is 100% religion, without the honesty!

Evolution was completely unknown to the people wrote the bible and the Nicene, as was Relativity and the germ theory of disease and plate tectonics, etc)

False, Satan was there from the start and it therefore had to be known!

 

[Speedwell]

If Adam and Eve were not literal, and the rivers not literal, and the garden, and the trees, and Cain and Abel, and the sacrifices ans sin..etc...the bible is a garbage text.

It really is a shame that you dismiss a holy book that close to two billion Christians revere as the word of God as a "garbage text."

 

[dad]

The same way I can claim that I was created both by my parents and by God.

False. Adam was said to be created by God, formed from a certain material, on a certain day in a certain place.

 

[dad]

It's not a "little creed", it's THE Creed of Christ's holy Church.

I am His church and all believers are too. The little creed is something some folks hold as important. The point of the OP was not the creed itself or it's 'importance' but that folks who claim to believe it should believe Scripture about how we got here. Focus.

And the Creed says absolutely nothing about evolution for or against

God created all things....that means...creation. You stand severely corrected.

. We believe that God is the Maker of all things, seen and unseen, and therefore this universe and all that it is in it, and all the natural processes which work within it, are His divine handiwork--that includes evolution.

Bit NOT evolution as the creator! Gong!!!!!!!!

 

[dad]

I see nothing in that little creed that requires a Christian to specify how God did it. Evolution is a possibility.

Scripture tells exactly how...not the creed.

 

[dad]

It really is a shame that you dismiss a holy book that close to two billion Christians revere as the word of God as a "garbage text."

I dismiss you. The book and Adam are fine, thank you.

 

[Speedwell]

Scripture tells exactly how...not the creed.

But nothing in the Creed or in the theology of 95% of the world's Christians requires that we accept your limited interpretation of scripture.

 

[ViaCrucis]

God created all things....that means...creation. You stand severely corrected.

Right, which is why when God creates a new person in the womb, there are no natural processes at work. It's not like people have sex and that results in the fertilization of a woman's egg which results in an embryo and the development into a human infant. That'd be crazy talk. God just makes a new person, and after mommy and daddy have a long hug a baby just appears in the womb.

Bit NOT evolution as the creator! Gong!!!!!!!!

Did you want to try that again in English?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[CLAVDIVS]

@dad

Hi

Why do you say natural evolution is godless? There are lots of "natural" things like the weather that are attributed to God.

 

[Strathos]

False. Adam was said to be created by God, formed from a certain material, on a certain day in a certain place.

And the earth was stated to never move. A strictly literal interpretation doesn't always work.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Scripture tells exactly how...not the creed.

"Exactly"?

Give or take all the details, I suppose.

 

[Doveaman]

The dinosaurs were the Angels pets? Interesting... let me guess: he drove the dinos to extinction to punish the angels who went rogue, amirite?

Hey, that's pretty accurate.

The prehistoric world was destroyed because of the sin of Angels, just as the ancient world was destroyed (by flood) because of the sin of Man.

"God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell...He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people...and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly" -- (2 Peter 2:4-6).

 

[TLK Valentine]

Hey, that's pretty accurate.

The prehistoric world was destroyed because of the sin of Angels, just as the ancient world was earlier destroyed (by flood) because of the sin of Man.

"God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell...He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people...and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly" -- (2 Peter 2:4-6).

Except that according to the theology, only 1/3 of the angels rebelled... yet God killed off all the dinos and obliterated their entire world.

Meaning God punishes the innocent right along with the guilty... that mockery of justice gives little incentive for worship.

Might as well play the odds and be a sinner.

 

[AV1611VET]

Might as well play the odds and be a sinner.

It's not the dinosaurs I would worry about.

Unbelievers are going to go extinct as well.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's not the dinosaurs I would worry about.

Unbelievers are going to go extinct as well.

Will He be as thorough as He was with the dinos? Punishing the innocent and guilty alike?

 

[AV1611VET]

Will He be as thorough as He was with the dinos? Punishing the innocent and guilty alike?

God is just.

 

[TLK Valentine]

God is just.

Tell that to the dinos.

 

[AV1611VET]

Tell that to the dinos.

You tell'em, Dr Dolittle.

I'm busy talking to my plants.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You tell'em, Dr Dolittle.

I'm busy talking to my plants.

Make sure you mention how God killed their ancestors too for being evil.

 

[AV1611VET]

Make sure you mention how God killed their ancestors too for being evil.