Creation School. Do we need one?

[Winepress777]

I don't need any church telling me that I should attend their Creation School in order to be able to stand up against Evolutionism. Yet, this has happened. Failure to attend implies that you are on the side of the enemy. I don't need any pastor or scientist telling me what I should or should not say, or how I should formulate my argument.

If some Christians want to know more, then the Church should be able to draw on its scientist members and theologians to provide some answers. But the idea that everyone must learn and rehearse the arguments for Creationism and against Evolutionism as part of their missionary/outreach work amongst their school friends, university friends, or work colleagues is nuts!

However, am I underestimating the assault on Creationism from atheists who are hell-bent on undermining the Christian faith? Perhaps we need a Creation School? I don't know. What do you think?

It's a "non-subject" with the Lord, it's a non-subject with me. When I minister to folk, the last thing I would do is bring up the non-sensical non-subjects of creationism or evolution. They don't matter. What matters is bringing a sinner to Christ and joy in seeing repentance and baptism and growing mercy justice and forgiveness. imo

 

[TheBarrd]

It's a "non-subject" with the Lord, it's a non-subject with me. When I minister to folk, the last thing I would do is bring up the non-sensical non-subjects of creationism or evolution. They don't matter. What matters is bringing a sinner to Christ and joy in seeing repentance and baptism and growing mercy justice and forgiveness. imo

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Seriously, if God had wanted Christians to concern themselves with science, He would have put science in the Bible.
But He did not.
The Bible is not a science book.
Did anyone really expect God to reveal the secrets of Creation in the Bible?
Christianity has nothing to fear from science.
Science can never discover anything that God didn't put there in the first place...

 

[crjmurray]

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Seriously, if God had wanted Christians to concern themselves with science, He would have put science in the Bible.
But He did not.
The Bible is not a science book.
Did anyone really expect God to reveal the secrets of Creation in the Bible?
Christianity has nothing to fear from science.
Science can never discover anything that God didn't put there in the first place...

Do you have evidence that God put it there?

 

[TheBarrd]

Do you have evidence that God put it there?

Do you have evidence that He did not?

Science is never going to be able to find evidence either for or against the existence of God, and we both know that.
Science must deal with physical things...it does not and can not have the tools to delve into spiritual matters...so why bother to get into a fool's debate about it?

 

[crjmurray]

Do you have evidence that He did not?

You made a claim. You support it.

 

[TheBarrd]

You made a claim. You support it.

As I said, debating over the existence of God is for fools, since neither side can ever "win".
Sorry, but you'll have to find some other form of entertainment this evening. I hear there are some good movies on the television tonight...

 

[crjmurray]

As I said, debating over the existence of God is for fools, since neither side can ever "win".
Sorry, but you'll have to find some other form of entertainment this evening. I hear there are some good movies on the television tonight...

A non answer and a thinly veiled insult. Classy. I'm not trying to "win" anything. You made a statement, I asked you to support it, you can't. That's fine.

 

[TheBarrd]

A non answer and a thinly veiled insult. Classy. I'm not trying to "win" anything. You made a statement, I asked you to support it, you can't. That's fine.

No insult implied at all, and I apologize if you took it that way.
I just do not intend to be lured into a fool's debate.

I believe that Christians do not need to fight against science. If we believe that our God created everything that exists...and we do...then there is nothing to worry about.
Now, you can take that as throwing down a gauntlet if you like, but the intention was to make peace, not war.
I'm not willing to get into a debate with you.
If you want to call that a "non answer" that's fine.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No insult implied at all, and I apologize if you took it that way.
I just do not intend to be lured into a fool's debate.

I believe that Christians do not need to fight against science. If we believe that our God created everything that exists...and we do...then there is nothing to worry about.
Now, you can take that as throwing down a gauntlet if you like, but the intention was to make peace, not war.
I'm not willing to get into a debate with you.
If you want to call that a "non answer" that's fine.

That is actually a wise response. The fact that Genesis and Exodus are morality tales at best does not refute Christianity itself. It is easy enough to see the Jesus's references to Adam and Noah were merely poetic and not to be taken as statements supporting the "truth of Genesis".

 

[Blue Wren]

I don't need any church telling me that I should attend their Creation School in order to be able to stand up against Evolutionism. Yet, this has happened. Failure to attend implies that you are on the side of the enemy. I don't need any pastor or scientist telling me what I should or should not say, or how I should formulate my argument.

If some Christians want to know more, then the Church should be able to draw on its scientist members and theologians to provide some answers. But the idea that everyone must learn and rehearse the arguments for Creationism and against Evolutionism as part of their missionary/outreach work amongst their school friends, university friends, or work colleagues is nuts!

However, am I underestimating the assault on Creationism from atheists who are hell-bent on undermining the Christian faith? Perhaps we need a Creation School? I don't know. What do you think?

What do I think? I think, that this is correct, yes -

Creationsm =/= Christianity.

The majority of Christians worldwide accept evolution.

Creationism, it barely exists, in Europe. European Christians, we have no reason, to make evolution, our boogeyman. There are more important things, to do with our time.

Is there truly, a church, trying to get you to attend their 'creation school'? Do they charge money, for this?

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationism, it barely exists, in Europe.

Which is where the Antichrist is due to come from.

And he will emerge out of Europe.

SOURCE

 

[GillDouglas]

I don't need any church telling me that I should attend their Creation School in order to be able to stand up against Evolutionism. Yet, this has happened. Failure to attend implies that you are on the side of the enemy. I don't need any pastor or scientist telling me what I should or should not say, or how I should formulate my argument.

If some Christians want to know more, then the Church should be able to draw on its scientist members and theologians to provide some answers. But the idea that everyone must learn and rehearse the arguments for Creationism and against Evolutionism as part of their missionary/outreach work amongst their school friends, university friends, or work colleagues is nuts!

However, am I underestimating the assault on Creationism from atheists who are hell-bent on undermining the Christian faith? Perhaps we need a Creation School? I don't know. What do you think?

Defending the faith or apologetics comes from many years of reading the bible, fellowship with other Christians and a strong faith in God's work. It can, but doesn't usually come from a school meant to teach reading, writing and arithmetic.

Education for our children has been a hot topic for my wife and I. We have two young children and our oldest is reaching the pre-school age (She's 3). My wife was raised in a Christian home that did homeschooling and I was raised the opposite (public school, wasn't 'religious'). Since we both have different backgrounds we both recognize the issues that are present in both.

The United States public education system no longer promotes any biblical teaching as it was originally intended. When you think of higher education institutes like Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, they were established by Christians (Puritans and Presbyterians). So if you would like for your children to get a biblical backed education at school, that's no longer available in public schools.

There are other options: If public schooled they can receive biblical education at church, bible study and at home. They can go to a private Christian school, which is usually expensive and strict. In some cases a strict Christian school is too imbalanced, and can produce non-believers. The other option, and I'm not sure if this a choice in the UK, is homeschooling.

In the U.S. there are more issues with the public education system than just lack of biblical studies or bible supported education. Classroom size, standardized testing, funding etc. can create a poor learning environment, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work for some students. Myself for example did just fine in a public school education system.

So what my wife and I have decided is that since each of our children are so different, they will perform better in different situations. We'd prefer not to pay for the expensive private education, but whatever we decide we feel it is important that we are involved in their education. As far as coming to know Christ is concerned, that begins with God and the spiritual growth can be encouraged at home, church, and fellowship.

 

[TheBarrd]

Defending the faith or apologetics comes from many years of reading the bible, fellowship with other Christians and a strong faith in God's work. It can, but doesn't usually come from a school meant to teach reading, writing and arithmetic.

Education for our children has been a hot topic for my wife and I. We have two young children and our oldest is reaching the pre-school age (She's 3). My wife was raised in a Christian home that did homeschooling and I was raised the opposite (public school, wasn't 'religious'). Since we both have different backgrounds we both recognize the issues that are present in both.

The United States public education system no longer promotes any biblical teaching as it was originally intended. When you think of higher education institutes like Harvard, Yale, and Princeton, they were established by Christians (Puritans and Presbyterians). So if you would like for your children to get a biblical backed education at school, that's no longer available in public schools.

There are other options: If public schooled they can receive biblical education at church, bible study and at home. They can go to a private Christian school, which is usually expensive and strict. In some cases a strict Christian school is too imbalanced, and can produce non-believers. The other option, and I'm not sure if this a choice in the UK, is homeschooling.

In the U.S. there are more issues with the public education system than just lack of biblical studies or bible supported education. Classroom size, standardized testing, funding etc. can create a poor learning environment, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work for some students. Myself for example did just fine in a public school education system.


So what my wife and I have decided is that since each of our children are so different, they will perform better in different situations. We'd prefer not to pay for the expensive private education, but whatever we decide we feel it is important that we are involved in their education. As far as coming to know Christ is concerned, that begins with God and the spiritual growth can be encouraged at home, church, and fellowship.

Did you know that you can enroll your kids in public school on the internet?

http://www.k12.com/schools-programs/online-public-schools.html

It's free.

Just thought some folks might like to know...

 

[The Cadet]

What, exactly, would we teach in "creation school"? "God Did It" is an unfalsifiable hypothesis which makes no predictions (I welcome anyone to offer me one such prediction that it makes that would prove that God did not do it). There is no evidence that could possibly support it, and there is no application for the knowledge that it is true, assuming that it is true. Is there any point, then, in teaching it? Or even doing more than mentioning in passing, "Oh, by the way, God created the universe"? What's the point? We teach our children the classics to further their understanding of literature. We instruct them in the STEM fields because it is of practical application. We teach them social studies to help them understand the world around them and history to help them understand how we got there. Everything helps build a stronger society. If 6-day, literal creationism is true, what can we glean from that? Is there any point in teaching it?

I mean, sure, you could teach students why evolution is wrong, but why bother? You don't have classes teaching your kids why aristotelian mathematics is wrong, or why Lamarkcism is wrong. Why should evolution require any special treatment in that regards? Because it's taught in schools and universities all over the world, backed by a massive group of scientists, used as a model in scientific inquiry in numerous important fields ranging from virology to aeronautic design, and the like?

 

[GillDouglas]

Did you know that you can enroll your kids in public school on the internet?

http://www.k12.com/schools-programs/online-public-schools.html

It's free.

Just thought some folks might like to know...

Wow, another option I did not know about. Thank you!

 

[TheBarrd]

Wow, another option I did not know about. Thank you!

You are most welcome.

 

[AV1611VET]

What, exactly, would we teach in "creation school"?

Here's a test I made up in another thread:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. Explain the difference between "God" and "LORD God".
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ in the lab.
4. The triune Godhead is a violation of what scientific law?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.

 

[Loudmouth]

Here's a test I made up in another thread:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. Explain the difference between "God" and "LORD God".
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ in the lab.
4. The triune Godhead is a violation of what scientific law?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.

Notice the complete lack of science content.

 

[AV1611VET]

Notice the complete lack of science content.

If I was teaching Creationism 101 ... on the first day of class, I would give my students a lecture to this effect:

Let's make this perfectly clear. What you are about to learn here in this class has NOTHING to do with science whatsoever. In fact, this class is a scientist's nightmare. If you come into this room expecting to get scientific answers to divine singularities, you're going to make it much worse on yourself. You'll leave this class thinking one of two things about me: either I hate science to pieces, or I hold science to a standard that unbelievers can't fully understand in their current state. The choice is yours.

On the door to my class will be a sign: SCIENCE ENDS HERE.

 

[Chicken Little]

and my sign would read "science ends , and here real observation starts"