Creation is winning by Evolutions rules

[JohnR7]

Or they cut out the middleman and stop taking anything you say seriously.

I have been here four years and I have never run out of someone to talk to.
If they want to take me serious or not, that is up to them.

 

[Self Improvement]

Creationism - comes in thousands of forms, each one different
Evolution - a unified theory which has been fine-tuned to fit evidence

Creationism - followers prepared to die for the belief
Evolution - is not a belief. It is a scientific theory.

Creationism - messaging spreading to all parts of the world in terms of word of mouth and gossip
Evolution - message spreading to all parts of the world in terms of application, useability, and even being able to find petroleum

Creationism - nothing is predicted with creation
Evolution - there have been ample predictions which have been shown to be correct

Creationism - hypothesis changes based on interpretation of any myth
Evolution - theory changes as evidence surfaces, allowing for correction

Ok, so Creationism is losing, for the moment. But let's make this a fair fight!

Evolution - An author (Darwin et al.), who was a scientist. Plus the Theory exists with or without the author as does the evidence.
Creationism - Moses wrote Genesis apparently

Evolution - is not a belief
Creationism - life-long commitment to belief IN SPITE OF CONTRARY EVIDENCE

Evolution - changes based on facts to better support them
Creationism - total commitment to religion (because they say so)

Evolution - changing from finding to finding
Creationism - constant from the first finding (You just said it changed. Is lying ok with your religious belief?)

Evolution - including Theistic Evolutionists? How mean-spirited
Creationism - so it doesn't save people from Hell? What's the point then?

Just thought I'd fix that for ya.

 

[Gottservant]

The Nicene Creed?

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Norm

EDIT: Yes, the Nicene Creed.

 

[Gottservant]

I've read the replies and I'm stopping contributions here (I'm not using my time on Earth solely for jousts over evolution)

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Just witness to your truth and split for another forum and do it there. repeat as needed for self aggrandizement.

I have the courtesy to read your replies, I'm just not arguing the points - if you haven't understood the jest there's no point to it.

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

I have the courtesy to read your replies, I'm just not arguing the points - if you haven't understood the jest there's no point to it.

Is this Poe's Law or a Freudian Slip?

 

[Gottservant]

Alright, look! I admit my understanding of Evolution is as limited as stating that it is about "survival of the fittest". That neatly states everything I needed to know in order to write the first post. Clearly for some of you, that is not enough, but need I remind you that you downloaded the post. I did not send, SPAM style, the post to you.

Also, I would like to admit that I like the evolution theory for a number of reasons. One, it is about positive change (survival is positive). Two, it emphasizes the importance of belief and learning (if you didn't believe evolution you wouldn't discuss it, if you didn't learn you wouldn't gain what is positive). Three, it helps you to realize that it is ok to simply disagree about certain things - there's no telling that somebody or something won't survive.

I think it is valuable to consider theories that can help people. Regardless of what they have known, my brothers and sisters in Christ have travelled the world - even to unchartered territory - in order to clothe people, feed people, heal people, even bring them to life. If a theory could help us do that better, then that would be great! Evolution - "survival of the fittest" - helps to explain why we help people who aren't fit and why we reject in our body (of people) things that are not fit. It even helps to explain why we joke about believing in our Creator making us fitter!

 

[joey444]

That's like me saying that I know that the bible says something about a god, so I can mock it all I want, and say that it proves the flood never happened even though I haven't read it (I have read it, though. Just an example)

 

[Gottservant]

Is this Poe's Law or a Freudian Slip?

Freud was a demon and went to Hell - nothing he said made sense spiritually. I have attempted to analyze my statement for potential quips... not slips, but haven't been able find any. The jest is that I do not need to be fit having accepted Jesus Christ as Lord, but I have carried on as if it is important.

Poe's Law is interesting, I had to look it up . As far as I can tell , it only applies in as much as someone is prepared to judge someone else on the basis of what they write before they have met them. Smilies aleviate the problem of having to talk English, but is that the best solution, I wonder ?

 

[joey444]

Calling Freud a devil because you don't understand his work?

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

Calling Freud a devil because you don't understand his work?

That's the gist of the jest.

 

[joey444]

XD

I'm going to try and fit "Gist of the jest" into every conversation I have.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Alright, look! I admit my understanding of Evolution is as limited as stating that it is about "survival of the fittest". That neatly states everything I needed to know in order to write the first post. Clearly for some of you, that is not enough, but need I remind you that you downloaded the post. I did not send, SPAM style, the post to you.

Words fail me, gentlemen.

 

[Tomk80]

Alright, look! I admit my understanding of Evolution is as limited as stating that it is about "survival of the fittest".

Which is already wrong, or at best extremely inaccurate.

That neatly states everything I needed to know in order to write the first post.

Yes, I can write a lot of junk too if I don't know what I'm talking about.

Clearly for some of you, that is not enough, but need I remind you that you downloaded the post. I did not send, SPAM style, the post to you.

But you also are, apparantly, not willing to learn from errors pointed out to you. And that is what people are railing against here. Not that you posted this, but that you are unwilling to discuss what you posted and learn why it is extremely incorrect.

Also, I would like to admit that I like the evolution theory for a number of reasons. One, it is about positive change (survival is positive). Two, it emphasizes the importance of belief and learning (if you didn't believe evolution you wouldn't discuss it, if you didn't learn you wouldn't gain what is positive). Three, it helps you to realize that it is ok to simply disagree about certain things - there's no telling that somebody or something won't survive.

What a strange way of viewing the theory of evolution.

1. Evolution is about change, whether good or bad. Nothing more or less. "Good" and "Bad" are judgements that we make and that have nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

2. Evolution is not a belief. It is accepting the best supported theory.

3. That we can disagree about things, does not mean some things (like your OP) aren't completely wrong on every count.

I think it is valuable to consider theories that can help people.

It is valuable to consider theories that are in line with the evidence. Only those will ever help people. The rest is just empty babling.

Regardless of what they have known, my brothers and sisters in Christ have travelled the world - even to unchartered territory - in order to clothe people, feed people, heal people, even bring them to life.

Which has nothing to do with evolution. Many christians are also evolutionists.

If a theory could help us do that better, then that would be great!

So, does the theory of gravity help us to do that better? General relativity maybe? Atomic theory? The objective of a theory is to better describe the observations, nothing more, nothing less. That is science. How we act with that is not science.

Evolution - "survival of the fittest" - helps to explain why we help people who aren't fit and why we reject in our body (of people) things that are not fit. It even helps to explain why we joke about believing in our Creator making us fitter!

que?

 

[Tomk80]

Freud was a demon and went to Hell - nothing he said made sense spiritually. I have attempted to analyze my statement for potential quips... not slips, but haven't been able find any. The jest is that I do not need to be fit having accepted Jesus Christ as Lord, but I have carried on as if it is important.

It's that time again, I'm glad I didn't drink anything while reading this, because else my computer would have broken. You must be a parody, you're so funny!

Poe's Law is interesting, I had to look it up . As far as I can tell , it only applies in as much as someone is prepared to judge someone else on the basis of what they write before they have met them. Smilies aleviate the problem of having to talk English, but is that the best solution, I wonder ?

No, it is judging a way of thinking on it's merits.

It's very simple. Creationist theories are so completely moronic, that every time someone ups the ante a little bit and thinks up a new 'creationist theory' for fun, someone, usually creationists, are going to think it's the real deal. That should tell you something about it's validity.

Somehow, that never happens with evolution, I wonder why?

 

[rmwilliamsll]

I admit my understanding of Evolution is as limited as stating that it is about "survival of the fittest".

a phrase which is from Spenser and his economics not from Darwin or science. It is more metaphysics then biology.

 

[BVZ]

Oh, and another thing:

Evolution - no commitment to theory (you don't change evolution)
Creation - total commitment to religion (you change at all costs)

Evolution - changing from finding to finding
Creation - constant from the first finding (God)

Dont these two contradict each other? They are right next to each other in the OP.

Which one of these two are you going to retract then?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Freud was a demon and went to Hell - nothing he said made sense spiritually.

You haven't made sense spiritually yet -- or physically, for that matter.

I have attempted to analyze my statement for potential quips... not slips, but haven't been able find any. The jest is that I do not need to be fit having accepted Jesus Christ as Lord, but I have carried on as if it is important.

Good example.

Poe's Law is interesting, I had to look it up . As far as I can tell , it only applies in as much as someone is prepared to judge someone else on the basis of what they write before they have met them. Smilies aleviate the problem of having to talk English, but is that the best solution, I wonder ?

Well, on amessage board, your words are the only way any of us can "meet" you. And history has shown us hordes of YEC parody posters typing gibberish and pretending to belive it as "Truth," as well as genuine YECs posting real gibberish and claiming it's divinely inspired.

Sadly, we have reached a point where it is no longer possible to tell the difference -- Hence, Poe's Law.

Your comment about Freud being a demon, for example -- Priceless.