Creation: Genesis contradictions? - by Don Batten

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

ewq1938 said:
It contradicts the false belief that Gen 1 and 2 are the same creation stories.

Gen 2 is a detail of day 5 in Gen 1.

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

ewq1938 said:
Yet in Gen. 2 we are told about fowls/birds being created out of the ground,

Gen 2 is the more detail version.
Stories don't have to match if told from differing viewpoints.
They almost can't.

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
Also, it is apparent in Gen. 2 that man was crated before the animals, whereas in Genesis 1, before. Adam cannot have been created both before and after.

Gen 2 is the better version of day 5.

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
For example, 2 Sam. 21:19, in many Bibles, says that Elhanan killed Goliath. However, that is not at all what the Hebrew text says. It simply says Elhanan killed Goliath, period.

The scriptures had multiple writers. There is no "conflict" from different accounts of the same events.

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
I seem to recall, Abel, that I sent you a detailed account of the contradictions.

They don't interfere with the story of mans redemption.

Justatruthseeker · Mar 6, 2016

Abel Gkiouzelis said:
Genesis contradictions?

by Don Batten

Between the creation of Adam and the creation of Eve, the KJV/AV Bible says (Genesis 2:19) ‘out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air’. On the surface, this seems to say that the land beasts and birds were created between Adam and Eve. However, Jewish scholars apparently did not... Read more

Because there have been more than one creation. There have been 6.

The earth was already flourishing with life prior to man. Life that has went extinct in several eras, after which all new forms of life arose. Then the last catastrophe struck.

In the oldest manuscripts there is a mark of a pause between the first and second verse. It may be as science tells us, that this globe existed millions of years ago; that it has been the habitation of numerous and varied races of animated beings; and that it has undergone many great destruction's and creations before it was brought into its present state: none of these views are in the least discordant with the statement of the inspired historian, that “in beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”

In twenty places in this chapter the verb “was” is used as the equivalent to “became”. The true meaning of the Hebrew word "hayah". "to fall out, come to pass, become, be"

The Earth "became" desolate and waste, (tohu wa bohu - used nowhere else together in the Bible except this verse and two other places, and always when used elsewhere point to a once flourishing condition that was then laid waste - Gen 1:2; Isa. 34:11; Jer. 4:23) and darkness overspread the Earth. At this time (man) did not exist prior, nor any of the current animals found with skeletons of modern man, except in a few rare cases as in one or two classes of reptiles and fish that survived this worldwide cataclysm, and the untold number before, told of before science had ever thought of such a thing as possible.

Comet, meteor? Who knows? It is quite accurate when interpreted properly. After unknown periods of time another act of creation occurred, this time with a notable exception, one worth bothering to describe in more detail, unlike any others that may have occurred previously. But then a new creation happened, the waters were separated from the waters (evaporation). "Let there be light...divided the light from the darkness". In Hebrew literally: " divided between the light and between darkness." Where all had previously been darkness due to the destruction, the addition of heat began separating the clouds. The events in the entire chapter are described as if one's viewpoint is from the earth.

It must be noted that the word 'ohr is not the same word used in verse 14 signifying "lights," or "luminaries," ma-'ohr; rather, it signifies "heat." the effect, which immediately followed is described in the name Day, which in Hebrew signifies "warmth."

So heat began penetrating into the depths after God acted, separating the clouds, letting light into the depths, the clouds had been so low as to contact the Earth itself. But heat allowed evaporation and the waters above were separated from the waters below and dry land appeared.

The next is just a twisted version by evolutionists. The creatures in the waters formed first, in Hebrew discourses this includes all microbial and plant life in the seas. Then reptiles and crawling things and finally birds of the air. Then mammals and man. This is where evolution theory got their idea of the order from, the Bible told them long ago. They knew the truth and so modeled their theory upon this same basis. But again, the lack of transitory species makes their interpretation of the events in the Bible suspect. If evolution is indeed correct, where are the transitory species today? Did it only occur in the past? Instead all we see is "Kind after Kind" and different "breeds" or "strains" or "species" within those Kinds. Lines which are "never" crossed. Lines which never become so different we can't recognize they are all of the same Kind. All Felidae are Felidae. All Canidae are Canidae. All Caprinae are Caprinae.

We know of no other thing, even down to the genetic level, which thanks to technological advancements, is showing that tree is nothing but individual distinct bushes, with sideways variation. I.e., different "breeds, or strains, or species, or subspecies, etc.", within that kind - or bush. Never once indicating a transitional form to another "kind". Even after billions of generations and billions of mutations, all E. coli are still E. coli, and always will be. All Felidae, no matter how many times we breed them or even mutate them in the lab, will always be Felidae.

Every past form of life sprang from nowhere, lived for a time, different breeds of that kind prospering, then went extinct due to cataclysmic actions. In its place all new life once again sprang up, to again repeat the cycle. The Bible just affirms this, when it told you of the earth becoming desolate and waste, and the darkness that became upon it, encompassing it around. Hence the dinosaurs died out. It then described the "sixth" such event, when man himself was created.

This is the confusion between the two chapters of genesis. The animals created in the 5th creation were the dinosaurs - they went extinct. The animals created in the sixth creation along with or after man were mammals.

There have been 5 - count them, 5 major extinction events. Mankind and the animals with him were created "after" this 5th extinction event, the 6th creative act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event

Soon there will be a sixth destruction and a seventh and final creation in which all new forms of life will also arise - including an animal described as a lion that eats straw. 6 for the sixth creative act, 6 for mankind and 6 for the sixth destruction brought about by Satan. Only after this world is destroyed for the sixth time will the seventh and final creation begin again. The flood does not count in this destructive sequence because all of the animals that were alive before it - were brought through it. No new creative acts were required to repopulate the earth. The animals then alive were able to repopulate the earth, unlike the other times when all new life had to be created.

Hoghead1 · Mar 6, 2016

That is way off from Scripture, Justa, and also way off from evolution works. There is no previous earth being referred to in Gen. 1. There is no description given of any process becoming. That's way "became" is not an accurate translation. Also, the Bible never speaks of a prior earth.
Also, there is no lack of transitory species. Check the literature.

ewq1938 · Mar 6, 2016

SkyWriting said:
Gen 2 is the more detail version.
Stories don't have to match if told from differing viewpoints.
They almost can't.

Gen 1 is far too different from Gen 2 to be the same account. They are nothing alike. This is like one chapter of the bible saying Paul persecuted Christs before he converted and another chapter saying he was a Christian and then started persecuting Christians. You can have contradictory chronological accounts of events and have sound scripture.

Either man was created before animals or after animals if it is the same account told twice. But the truth is Gen 1 is an account of others being created, and Gen 2 is much later and is when Adam was created. The church simply has taught this wrongly for a very long time and it's hard for people to see it a different way.

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

ewq1938 said:
Gen 1 is far too different from Gen 2 to be the same account.

Gen 2 is a detail of day 5 in Gen 1. {Edit: Sorry, day 6.}
Yes, the viewpoint and focus are different.
Good observation.

PsychoSarah · Mar 6, 2016

Saricharity said:
The bible has never and will never contradict itself.
It's just that simple.

Try breeding two goats without stripes to have offspring with them, by forcing them to watch branches while they do the deed.

Furthermore, tell me, using scripture, can god lie?

No, God cannot and does not lie.
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. Numbers 23:19
The Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent. 1 Samuel 15:29

Thou art that God, and thy words be true. 2 Samuel 7:28

Thy word is true from the beginning. Psalm 119:160

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began. Titus 1:2

It was impossible for God to lie. Hebrews 6:18

Yes, God lies by proxy; He sends prophets or lying spirits to deceive.
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chronicles 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jeremiah 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jeremiah 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

or, perhaps, another topic suits you better, such as how long god's anger can last.

God doesn't get angry.
God will not threaten like man, nor be inflamed to anger. Judith 8:15
God's anger lasts for just a moment.
For his anger endureth but a moment. Psalm 30:5
God's anger lasts a long time.
And the Lord's anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness for forty years. Numbers 32:13
God's anger doesn't last forever.
I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever. Jeremiah 3:12
He retaineth not his anger forever, because he delighteth in mercy. Micah 7:18

God's anger lasts forever.
Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever. Jeremiah 17:4
The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. Malachi 1:4

Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:41

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment. Matthew 25:46

to be fair, for a few of these, context could make it so that it depends on the situation as to how long god will remain angry. Also, lying by proxy is, in fact, the same as lying.

ewq1938 · Mar 6, 2016

SkyWriting said:
Gen 2 is a detail of day 5 in Gen 1. {Edit: Sorry, day 6.}

No, it doesn't match any of the accounts of Gen 1. What is written in Gen 2 is something different and new.

Good observation.

It is good observation which reveals the two accounts of creation are very different, at different times.

Please read this if you haven't already:

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

This is the fifth day. God creates sealife and birds. Take note that fowls/birds are also created from the waters not from the ground.

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Yet in Gen. 2 we are told about fowls/birds being created out of the ground, not out of the waters. Most people do not notice these differences when they read the accounts.

Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

This is the 6th day. What does God make first? Land animals!

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Now man is made and has dominion over the animals that were made first.

1: animals created FIRST, before man is created.

2: man created AFTER animals.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

He makes the 6th day people both male and female! No mention of making one man, then later making a female out of the man. God simply makes a male and female which is not what happens in Genesis 2.

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Tells them again to have dominion over the animals and the fish of the sea.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

God sees no man that would be for tilling the ground, farming. Historically mankind were not farmers but were primarily hunter-gatherers which modern Archeology has also documented. The fact that Adam is a farmer means he is a more modern type of human.

Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

And he makes a man, alone. No female is created.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

He is in charge of the garden of Eden, working alone.

Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

God decides Adam needs help. Adam is alone! No animals are there!

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

For simplification ONLY, I will refer to the events after the 7th day as "8th day".

God makes animals to help Adam! In the 6th day animals were first, then men AND women, but on the "8th day" one man is made, then animals and no female human yet. Also note that there is no mention of sea life or having dominion over the fish of the sea likely because this garden is land based and not near any bodies of water where sea life would be.

Genesis 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

But Adam needs a non-animal helpmeet! No animal is suitable for this role.

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

And now God creates a female from Adam.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

6th day man wasn't in the garden nor limited to that specific area, but was told to subdue the Earth and multiply. Adam and Eve were not told to subdue the Earth, nor were they instructed to multiply. The 6th day ppl are told to subdue the fish of the sea but Adam was not, nor was Adam near the sea as he was inside of this garden inside of Eden. Adam's job was to take care of the garden of Eden and til the ground which was a full time job/life.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Trees bearing fruit were created before mankind was in Genesis 1 but not in Genesis 2.

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Adam is created before the garden was planted and before it's trees existed.

Recap of the facts:

Gen. 1 creation order: trees, animals, man and woman at the same time.

Gen. 2 creation order: one man, garden with trees, animals, then one woman.

For simplification ONLY, I will refer to the events after the 7th day as "8th day".

4th day- trees created
5th day- fowls of the air created out of the waters before man and before land animals
6th day- land animals created before man

8th day- man created before garden and trees
8th day- man created before animals
8th day- fowls created at the same time as land animals, from the ground not the waters

6th day- male and female created at same time
8th day- man created first, then animals, then a female is created

6th day- more than just a farmer
8th day- just a farmer

6th day- told to have dominion over everything on the earth and the sea, and to multiply
8th day- in charge of maintaining the garden in Eden only. No mention of fish or the sea and no mention of multiplying.

6th day- fruit bearing trees created before man
8th day- fruit bearing trees created after man

Conclusion: Two different accounts of creating man and his environment. One is about a large number of people with dominion over everything, the other about a certain man, his environment which was a certain Garden within Eden, and his wife. God created things in different orders on the two different days of creation.

Hoghead1 · Mar 6, 2016

Nice try, but that doesn't work to resolve the contradictions. Below is my account why.

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As I have said before, and will say again, I do not think Genesis can be taken as literal, scientific, or historical.
When we approach the study of Scripture, I think we should be willing to step outside the small box of narration presented within the narrow confines of fundamentalist thinking about the Bible. In so doing, we must cast aside the preexisting bias that everything in Scripture has to be true, that everything happened just the way the Bible says it happened. We should approach Scripture, with an open mind. Maybe it is all dictated by God and inerrant , maybe it isn't. Let us see.

Bearing the above in mind, let us proceed on to the Genesis account of creation. It is readily apparent that it stands in stark contradiction to modern scientific accounts. If we stay within the confines of the fundamentalist box, science is clearly a thing of the Devil, and that's the end of it. But is it? Perhaps there are other possibilities. Let us also explore those. For centuries, solid Bible-believing Christians have had no problem in recognizing the Bible is not an accurate geophysical witness. After all, who believes that the earth is really flat, that everything revolves around the earth, etc.? So I don't see why Genesis should be any exception. Bur wait a sec. Just how did traditional Christianity manage to step out of the fundamentalist box here? Here it is important to consider the writings of the Protestant Reformers, who lived right on the scence, right at the time when science was beginning to serious question the flat earth, etc. Let's take a peak at Calvin, for example. He followed what is called the doctrine of accommodations. Accordingly, our minds are so puny that God often has to talk “baby talk” (Calvin's term) to us, to accommodate his message to our infirmities. He wrote a major commentary on Genesis, and, in his remarks on Gen. 1:6, he emphasized that God is here to accommodate to our weaknesses and therefore, most emphatically, is not here to teach us actual astronomy.

Now, about the to contradictory accounts. It is my position that we must step outside the fundamentalist box and come to the text open-minded. It is my position that there are two contradictory accounts. It is my position we must resist all the fiendish effects created within the narrow confines of the fundamentalist box to unduly smash them together and bludgeon them into one account. The best way to approach a text is to go on the plain reading. Hence, in Gen . 1, first animals are created, the man and woman together. In Gen. 2, first man, then animals, then woman. What may or may not be apparent in English translations is that there are two very different literary styles here. Gen. 1, fr example, is sing-songy, very sing-songy. Hence, Haydn wrote a major work titled

“The Creation,” based solely on Gen. 1. Gen,. 2 is narrative and not very singable. If you study the Hebrew here in more detail, we are also dealing with to different authors coming from tow different time periods.

Let's turn to the stated content of the chronologies. As I said, a plain reading shows an obvious contradiction here. And as I said, many a fiendish attempt has been made within the fundamentalist box to smash these together. That is a favorite tactic of mode than one online self-styled apologists and also certain members in this group, no personal insult intended. So let us now go down through a list of the major devious attempts to smash the texts together and why they don't work.

There is the pluperfect theory. Accordingly, all apparent contradictions can be easily explained simply by recognizing that everything in Gen. 2 should be translated in the pluperfect tense, thereby referring right back to one. So the line should read,...So God HAD created the animals,,,” So the problem is simply generated in the reader's mind simply because the English Bible has been mistranslated here. To a lay person, this might look impressive. However, if you know anything at all about Hebrew, this solution immediately falls on its face. There is no, repeat no, pluperfect tense in Hebrew.

There is the two-creation theory. Accordingly, Gen. 1 and 2 refer to two different creations. Gen. 1 describes the total overall creation of the universe. Gen. 2 is purely concerned with what happened in the garden of Eden, with events that happened after the total overall creation. Looks promising. However, what is snot shown or addressed in the fundamentalist box is the fact fact this theory generates treffic problems in accounting for all the personnel involved and, in so doing g, has led to ridiculous results. A good example is the Lilith theory that was widespread among Medieval Christians and Jews. The problem was this: If we are fusing these accounts together, then there is a woman created in Gen. 1, and at the same time as Adam, who is not named, and who obviously exists in addition to Eve. Who is she? Her name is Lilith and she is Adam's first wife. She was domineering and liked riding on top of Adam when they had sex. Adam didn't like this and neither did God, as women are to be submissive. So God gave Adam a second wife, Eve, who at least stayed underneath during sex. Lilith then got mad, ran away, became a witch, and goes around terrorizing children, so that it was common to find a crib with “God save up from Lilith” written on it. Now, unless you believe in the existence of preAdamites, and the fundamentalist box does not and most Christians do not either, then this whole situation is absolutely ridiculous.

There is the latent-chronology theory. Accordingly, the account is written by one author, never mind the literary differences. What he takes as the real chronology is that which is presented in Gen. 1. However, when he gets to Gen. 2, he for some reason, does not work through or explicate that chronology in its true order. Well, by that same token, why not assume his rue chronology is gen. 1 and that Gen. I is just his idea of explicating it out of order, for some reason? See, that strategy backfires. In addition, one wonders why an author would set up his chronology on one page and then on the next explicate it out of order. That sure is an awkward, messy way of explaining yourself.

Now if any of you readers have in mind a better solution, I and other biblical scholars would like to hear it.

P.S. Another problem with the Genesis account is that it does not make it clear how God creates. Some will say it definitely means creatio ex nihilo. But God created Adam out of dust, not out of nothing. God created Eve out of Adam's rib, not out of nothing. God creates the adult out of the child, not our of nothing. The opening of the Genesis account is ambiguous here. Maybe god creates out of nothing, but maybe out of some preexistence chaos. ;

ewq1938 · Mar 6, 2016

lol, I won't bother with all of this but clearly if you ignore context then you have these imaginary contradictions. God's anger lasts forever against his enemies but against his own people, his anger is short. So all of these things are simply based upon contextual fallacies.

PsychoSarah said:
Try breeding two goats without stripes to have offspring with them, by forcing them to watch branches while they do the deed.

Furthermore, tell me, using scripture, can god lie?

No, God cannot and does not lie.
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. Numbers 23:19
The Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent. 1 Samuel 15:29

Thou art that God, and thy words be true. 2 Samuel 7:28

Thy word is true from the beginning. Psalm 119:160

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began. Titus 1:2

It was impossible for God to lie. Hebrews 6:18

Yes, God lies by proxy; He sends prophets or lying spirits to deceive.
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chronicles 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jeremiah 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jeremiah 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

or, perhaps, another topic suits you better, such as how long god's anger can last.

God doesn't get angry.
God will not threaten like man, nor be inflamed to anger. Judith 8:15
God's anger lasts for just a moment.
For his anger endureth but a moment. Psalm 30:5
God's anger lasts a long time.
And the Lord's anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness for forty years. Numbers 32:13
God's anger doesn't last forever.
I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever. Jeremiah 3:12
He retaineth not his anger forever, because he delighteth in mercy. Micah 7:18

God's anger lasts forever.
Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever. Jeremiah 17:4
The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. Malachi 1:4

Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:41

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment. Matthew 25:46

to be fair, for a few of these, context could make it so that it depends on the situation as to how long god will remain angry. Also, lying by proxy is, in fact, the same as lying.

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

ewq1938 said:
No, it doesn't match any of the accounts of Gen 1. What is written in Gen 2 is something different and new.

Yes. It's from a different point of view and focus.

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
As I have said before, and will say again, I do not think Genesis can be taken as literal, scientific, or historical.

Too late. It's already historical.

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
Accordingly, Gen. 1 and 2 refer to two different creations.

Gen 2 covers the day man was created.
A summary doesn't take 600 words to
summarize and cajole.

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

PsychoSarah said:
Try breeding two goats without stripes to have offspring with them, by forcing them to watch branches while they do the deed.

Goats will separate into herds according to the patterns of their coats.
And the offspring will be of similar patterns. It's possible you've
not herded goats.

OzSpen · Mar 7, 2016

Saricharity said:
The bible has never and will never contradict itself.
It's just that simple.

Could some Christians' interpretations of the Bible contradict each other?

Is it possible for Christians to read the Bible without interpreting it?

AV1611VET · Mar 7, 2016

OzSpen said:
Could some Christians' interpretations of the Bible contradict each other?

Yes.

OzSpen said:
Is it possible for Christians to read the Bible without interpreting it?

No.

Queller · Mar 7, 2016

Saricharity said:
The bible has never and will never contradict itself.
It's just that simple.

How many blind men were healed in the vicinity of Jericho?

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