Creation ex nihilo challenge

[Oncedeceived]

Correct. "I don't know"

Now the only claim I am asserting here is that you don't either.

I don't know either. I have evidence that supports my faith based position but evidence of the Creation is inaccessible to all.

 

[CabVet]

I don't know either. I have evidence that supports my faith based position but evidence of the Creation is inaccessible to all.

Evidence and faith don't go together in the same sentence. If you had evidence you wouldn't need faith.

 

[Loudmouth]

So when it was thought that the universe could not have had any liquid present due to the high temps and it was used against the Bible's account, that was just using science against a passage proven incorrect; but when it is shown that there could be liquid it then is wrong because it is a fact after science discovered it. Right.

I think you have already proven the extent to which you will go to keep the biblical creation myth from being falsified.

Also, look at how many christians argue against the Big Bang theory. They even go as far as calling it atheistic, and against God's Word. You will certainly not find many christians from pre-1,000's that thought the Bible described a planet Earth that was billions of years old, or that life evolved from simpler life over hundreds of millions of years.

If the Bible accurately predicted what we would find, why did biblical scholars so vehemently object to what science found?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Evidence and faith don't go together in the same sentence. If you had evidence you wouldn't need faith.

Bunk. You are talking about blind faith. Faith comes after knowing God exists and trusting His will in your life. Non-believers have real difficulty with that part.

 

[AV1611VET]

Demonstrate that creating something ex nihilo is possible.

Only God can create ex nihilo.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I think you have already proven the extent to which you will go to keep the biblical creation myth from being falsified.

Also, look at how many christians argue against the Big Bang theory. They even go as far as calling it atheistic, and against God's Word. You will certainly not find many christians from pre-1,000's that thought the Bible described a planet Earth that was billions of years old, or that life evolved from simpler life over hundreds of millions of years.

If the Bible accurately predicted what we would find, why did biblical scholars so vehemently object to what science found?

Do you ever find Scientists disagreeing with the findings in a study? I think that it is obvious people disagree about everything. That doesn't mean that there is no truth to be found.

 

[CabVet]

Only God can create ex nihilo.

Where in the Bible does it say so?

 

[Loudmouth]

I have evidence that supports my faith based position but evidence of the Creation is inaccessible to all.

That has to be the most condensed piece of pretzel logic you have produced yet.

You claim to have inaccessible evidence. You also claim to have faith. Let's wade through this mess.

If you have evidence, you don't need faith. Therefore, you are wrong right away. All you are trying to do is find some semblence of justification for your faith based beliefs.

However, as soon as you claim to have evidence you know that you will have to present it. This is where you invent the excuse of why you don't have to present evidence, and that reason is you don't have evidence.

This is why we keep saying that you are being deceptive.

 

[Loudmouth]

Do you ever find Scientists disagreeing with the findings in a study? I think that it is obvious people disagree about everything. That doesn't mean that there is no truth to be found.

I have yet to find a scientist who thinks that the phrase, "all of the creatures in the sea" does not include whales. In fact, I have yet to find a sane person who thinks that "all of the creatures in the sea" excludes whales simply because it does not specifically say "whales".

If there is truth, I doubt you will be the one to find it.

 

[Oncedeceived]

That has to be the most condensed piece of pretzel logic you have produced yet.

You claim to have inaccessible evidence. You also claim to have faith. Let's wade through this mess.

If you have evidence, you don't need faith. Therefore, you are wrong right away. All you are trying to do is find some semblence of justification for your faith based beliefs.

However, as soon as you claim to have evidence you know that you will have to present it. This is where you invent the excuse of why you don't have to present evidence, and that reason is you don't have evidence.

This is why we keep saying that you are being deceptive.

I presented evidence that you won't accept as usual. I think that calling me deceptive is incorrect. I haven't done anything in a deceptive manner.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I have yet to find a scientist who thinks that the phrase, "all of the creatures in the sea" does not include whales. In fact, I have yet to find a sane person who thinks that "all of the creatures in the sea" excludes whales simply because it does not specifically say "whales".

If there is truth, I doubt you will be the one to find it.

I've explained my position and you continue to twist the meaning. That is your problem not mine.

 

[Loudmouth]

I've explained my position and you continue to twist the meaning. That is your problem not mine.

I am twisting the meaning? Me?

It would seem that the straightforward meaning of "all creatures in the sea" is that the author is referring to all the creatures in the sea, including whales since whales are creatures that live in the sea.

But no. . . that can't be correct, can it? Instead, you have to insanely twist words so that they mean the opposite of what they actually mean in order to contort the biblical creation myth into something that looks like the world around us. That is why your claims of evidence are worthless.

 

[AV1611VET]

Where in the Bible does it say so?

Who else can?

 

[CabVet]

Who else can?

Perhaps you missed the question, so I will ask again. Where in the Bible does it say that God is the only entity that can create things from nothing?

 

[Loudmouth]

I presented evidence that you won't accept as usual.

You don't have any evidence, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION.

". . . but evidence of the Creation is inaccessible to all."--Oncedeceived

 

[justlookinla]

Ok, so, no evidence then. Come back when you can participate in the challenge.

Can we agree that something produced creation?

 

[Oncedeceived]

I am twisting the meaning? Me?

It would seem that the straightforward meaning of "all creatures in the sea" is that the author is referring to all the creatures in the sea, including whales since whales are creatures that live in the sea.

But no. . . that can't be correct, can it? Instead, you have to insanely twist words so that they mean the opposite of what they actually mean in order to contort the biblical creation myth into something that looks like the world around us. That is why your claims of evidence are worthless.

You are twisting my position. I am saying that the passage concerns the Cambrian period in which no whales existed. To falsify that position would require that you prove that it is not discussing the Cambrian and what evidence you can give to support that position. Creation includes all periods of time from creation to the arrival of spiritual mankind.

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps you missed the question, so I will ask again. Where in the Bible does it say that God is the only entity that can create things from nothing?

It doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to see that only God can create ex nihilo.

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

This, of course, is referring to creatio ex nihilo, since man & angels have the ability to create ex materia.

 

[Oncedeceived]

You don't have any evidence, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION.

". . . but evidence of the Creation is inaccessible to all."--Oncedeceived

I said I had evidence to support my position.

 

[CabVet]

You are twisting my position. I am saying that the passage concerns the Cambrian period in which no whales existed.

There were no birds in the Cambrian either and you never addressed that.

To falsify that position would require that you prove that it is not discussing the Cambrian and what evidence you can give to support that position. Creation includes all periods of time from creation to the arrival of spiritual mankind.

How about the Bible itself:

Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Not to mention that fruit trees (which are also NOT in the Cambrian) came even before that:

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Let's see if you are going to address it this time.