Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (3)

[marshlewis]

Ok, I went over this before, but you are not getting this.

1. You are not a true actual son/daughter of GOD. No one is. There is only one (1) GOD. You are not Him. I am not Him. God uses the metaphorical term "son/ daughter" to convey a message of love; however, He is not saying that you are His actual physical literal son/ daughter.

We are creatures that He made. HE is the creator, we are the creatures. You are a creature. I am a creature. You and I are little created creatures that HE created; and that HE has all power and authority over.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE understand that the terms "son" and "daughter" are metaphorical terms just like "wings".

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]7 How precious is Your lovingkindness, O God! Therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of Your wings. --Psalm 36

Is GOD now a big chicken??? No. Just like the "hand" of the Lord. GOD doesn't have a big 'hand'. HE is spirit. HE doesn't need a big 'hand'. These are anthropomorphic terms that GOD uses to convey a message to us that we can understand.

So please get past the 'Child Abuse' defense that you are using. Your weak 'child abuse' defense to justify your hatred of GOD does not hold up.
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Maybe if you drew us a picture of your god, laser beams and everything, people might better understand your point of view.

 

[dlamberth]

So please get past the 'Child Abuse' defense that you are using.

The God you describe IS abusive. The lessons you give are example of his abuse. And you want us to not be aware of his abuse, and become like other abused children protecting the abusive father? Only in this case, like you say...it's not a real father...it's GOD for crying out loud…That's who's being abusive. That's even worse!! The way you protect your abusive God IS exactly like a child protecting their abusive parent. It happens all of the time.

Your weak 'child abuse' defense to justify your hatred of GOD does not hold up.

I love my Beloved God very much, thank you. In MY relationship with my Beloved God, there is no fear, NO abuse and no judgment. You on the other hand worship a very abusive, vengeful and hateful God. You keep reminding us of that fact all of the time.


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[dlamberth]

God uses the metaphorical term "son/ daughter" to convey a message of love; however, He is not saying that you are His actual physical literal son/ daughter.

We know...we got that already.

God is a power figure, big time! Your God uses power in a abusive way. And you justify your God's abuse just as a child justifies their fathers abuse. No one is saying we are a "literal" son or daughter. But that does not take away from how one treats a figure of power who is abusive, be it God or ones own Dad.

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[Archaeopteryx]

Zeromark, as a man of exegesis do you agree that GOD gave the government the right to kill evil doers?

Here is our text:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God. 2 So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God's command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do good and you will have its approval. 4 For government is God's servant to you for good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God's servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong. 5 Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience. 6 And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God's public servants, continually attending to these tasks. Romans 13

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Yes, we have to respect the text. But we must seek to understand the text as well. That does involve asking ourselves and the historical data available to us, what were the writer's intentions? Their world view? In short, their human condition.

I'm assuming you're using the KJV? (I've got the NRSV in front of me, and it does not match, but that's not overly important in the long run.)

St. Paul does offer pretty good advice here; but I'm not so sure it can be completely applied to modern times. Paul, as well as most of the early church believed that they were the last generation before the return of Christ, so there would have been more urgency to call people to God than to worry about the choking Roman empire at the time of the letter's writing.

Upsetting the Roman government would not have been the wisest action, and for the very early church, probably suicidal. I would venture to guess that Paul meant for the early church in Rome to accept Roman authority for the time being, until the return of Christ.

However, the early church was already challenging the authority of the Sanhedrin back in Jerusalem; despite strict orders from the temple authorities, the early church continued to stress that Jesus was the messiah, and operate outside the Sanhedrin's authority. So, I would venture to say that it all depends on the context.

More towards the modern age, if there wasn't a little revolution now and then, we would still be under the grasp of the traditional Monarchies, and the American Revolution would have never happened. Civil rights would not exist. So in that respect, I do say it's good to challenge authority here and there.

Just thought we should recap on the whole government killing thing with some context.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Here is the new CSA's primary export:

 

[Nathan Poe]

Here is the new CSA's primary export:

For a failure of this magnitude, we need something more:

 

[GrayCat]

I love Fail Blog!!!



Just wanted to express that.

 

[Cabal]

Let's not forget:

(presumably the containers are all full of DVD rewinders)

 

[dlamberth]

I love Fail Blog!!!



Just wanted to express that.

This is the first time I've seen that site....It's great!! I've been laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes.

Thanks guys!!

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[GrayCat]

This is the first time I've seen that site....It's great!! I've been laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes.

Thanks guys!!

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Did you see the Gummy Fail on the first page?

I laughed so freakin hard yesterday when i saw it..possibly the best picture on there.

In addition to Whale Fail many pages back...it shows this whale on a truck somewhere in a Japanese city and somehow it burst open and whale guts are splashed all over the street. LOLOL

Fail Blog is for people with a strange, perverted sense of humor. :-D

 

[dlamberth]

C.S.A strategy meeting to rid the lands of sinners.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

The God you describe IS abusive. The lessons you give are example of his abuse. And you want us to not be aware of his abuse, and become like other abused children protecting the abusive father? Only in this case, like you say...it's not a real father...it's GOD for crying out loud…That's who's being abusive. That's even worse!! The way you protect your abusive God IS exactly like a child protecting their abusive parent. It happens all of the time.


I love my Beloved God very much, thank you. In MY relationship with my Beloved God, there is no fear, NO abuse and no judgment. You on the other hand worship a very abusive, vengeful and hateful God. You keep reminding us of that fact all of the time.


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You do not have a clue of holiness. You have no clue of righteousness. You have no clue of true judgment or wrath.

If you understood these things you would understand my posts.

SOLA GRATIA.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You do not have a clue of holiness. You have no clue of righteousness. You have no clue of true judgment or wrath.

If you understood these things you would understand my posts.

SOLA GRATIA.

What is required to understand your posts is the absence of reason and blind faith.

 

[GrayCat]

Shield - do you understand that you are the only Christian who believes along the lines that you do? I have never seen any other Christian who remotely holds such views.


Does that not bother you for just a moment, when you proclaim that what you believe is the truth - and yet you will find not one other person who agrees?


I don't know if you even realize how far away from other Christians you are in your views. And this isn't a cool or interesting sort of different. This is a frightening and incomprehensible sort of "different."

 

[ShieldOFaith]

What is required to understand your posts is the absence of reason and blind faith.

LOL!!! HAAHAHAHAHAAAAA...

Thanks for the laugh.

It is unreasonable and a distinct lack of faith to not understand my posts.

It is altogether unreasonable not to listen to the claims of Christ. It is down right foolish!!! Foolish!!!

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD. 5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous. 6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge. 7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad. --Psalm 14
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]THE FOOL HATH SAID IN HIS HEART, THERE IS NO GOD.
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[Archaeopteryx]

LOL!!! HAAHAHAHAHAAAAA...

Thanks for the laugh.

It is unreasonable and a distinct lack of faith to not understand my posts.

It is altogether unreasonable not to listen to the claims of Christ. It is down right foolish!!! Foolish!!!

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD. 5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous. 6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge. 7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad. --Psalm 14
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]THE FOOL HATH SAID IN HIS HEART, THERE IS NO GOD.
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Interesting that you post "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God" because I never claimed to believe that "there is no God." Second, I do intend to listen to the claims of Christ, which is exactly why I do not listen to your claims because they seem to lack a basis in Christ.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]THE FOOL HATH SAID IN HIS HEART, THERE IS NO GOD.
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So to disagree with you is to deny the existence of God?

Such arrogance...

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Shield - do you understand that you are the only Christian who believes along the lines that you do? I have never seen any other Christian who remotely holds such views.


Does that not bother you for just a moment, when you proclaim that what you believe is the truth - and yet you will find not one other person who agrees?


I don't know if you even realize how far away from other Christians you are in your views. And this isn't a cool or interesting sort of different. This is a frightening and incomprehensible sort of "different."

Graycat, that is where you'd be wrong.

I believe in this:

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Total Depravity (Total Inability)

Total Depravity is probably the most misunderstood tenet of Calvinism. When Calvinists speak of humans as "totally depraved," they are making an extensive, rather than an intensive statement. The effect of the fall upon man is that sin has extended to every part of his personality -- his thinking, his emotions, and his will. Not necessarily that he is intensely sinful, but that sin has extended to his entire being.
The unregenerate (unsaved) man is dead in his sins (Romans 5:12). Without the power of the Holy Spirit, the natural man is blind and deaf to the message of the gospel (Mark 4:11f). This is why Total Depravity has also been called "Total Inability." The man without a knowledge of God will never come to this knowledge without God's making him alive through Christ (Ephesians 2:1-5).
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Unconditional Election

Unconditional Election is the doctrine which states that God chose those whom he was pleased to bring to a knowledge of himself, not based upon any merit shown by the object of his grace and not based upon his looking forward to discover who would "accept" the offer of the gospel. God has elected, based solely upon the counsel of his own will, some for glory and others for damnation (Romans 9:15,21). He has done this act before the foundations of the world (Ephesians 1:4-8).
This doctrine does not rule out, however, man's responsibility to believe in the redeeming work of God the Son (John 3:16-18). Scripture presents a tension between God's sovereignty in salvation, and man's responsibility to believe which it does not try to resolve. Both are true -- to deny man's responsibility is to affirm an unbiblical hyper-calvinism; to deny God's sovereignty is to affirm an unbiblical Arminianism.
The elect are saved unto good works (Ephesians 2:10). Thus, though good works will never bridge the gulf between man and God that was formed in the Fall, good works are a result of God's saving grace. This is what Peter means when he admonishes the Christian reader to make his "calling" and "election" sure (2 Peter 1:10). Bearing the fruit of good works is an indication that God has sown seeds of grace in fertile soil.
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Limited Atonement (Particular Redemption)

Limited Atonement is a doctrine offered in answer to the question, "for whose sins did Christ atone?" The Bible teaches that Christ died for those whom God gave him to save (John 17:9). Christ died, indeed, for many people, but not all (Matthew 26:28). Specifically, Christ died for the invisible Church -- the sum total of all those who would ever rightly bear the name "Christian" (Ephesians 5:25).
This doctrine often finds many objections, mostly from those who think that Limited Atonement does damage to evangelism. We have already seen that Christ will not lose any that the father has given to him (John 6:37). Christ's death was not a death of potential atonement for all people. Believing that Jesus' death was a potential, symbolic atonement for anyone who might possibly, in the future, accept him trivializes Christ's act of atonement. Christ died to atone for specific sins of specific sinners. Christ died to make holy the church. He did not atone for all men, because obviously all men are not saved. Evangelism is actually lifted up in this doctrine, for the evangelist may tell his congregation that Christ died for sinners, and that he will not lose any of those for whom he died!
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Irresistible Grace

The result of God's Irresistible Grace is the certain response by the elect to the inward call of the Holy Spirit, when the outward call is given by the evangelist or minister of the Word of God. Christ, himself, teaches that all whom God has elected will come to a knowledge of him (John 6:37). Men come to Christ in salvation when the Father calls them (John 6:44), and the very Spirit of God leads God's beloved to repentance (Romans 8:14). What a comfort it is to know that the gospel of Christ will penetrate our hard, sinful hearts and wondrously save us through the gracious inward call of the Holy Spirit (I Peter 5:10)!
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Perseverance of the Saints

Perseverance of the Saints is a doctrine which states that the saints (those whom God has saved) will remain in God's hand until they are glorified and brought to abide with him in heaven. Romans 8:28-39 makes it clear that when a person truly has been regenerated by God, he will remain in God's stead. The work of sanctification which God has brought about in his elect will continue until it reaches its fulfillment in eternal life (Phil. 1:6). Christ assures the elect that he will not lose them and that they will be glorified at the "last day" (John 6:39). The Calvinist stands upon the Word of God and trusts in Christ's promise that he will perfectly fulfill the will of the Father in saving all the elect.
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So we can see that these passages were not meant to undermine the criminal justice system in Jesus's time, or ours. But once again, abolitionists have taken such quotes out of context and used them to rationalize their contempt for justice.
Some religious people argue that since we cannot create human life we should not take it. If you accept the premises of religion, then not only can we not create human life, we cannot destroy it. We can only destroy the flesh that temporarily houses the immortal soul. What happens to the soul is God's business, no one else's.
So I find all biblical interpretations against the death penalty to be frivolous, at best, because no where does the Bible repudiate capital punishment for murder. In fact, it is the one crime in the Bible for which no restitution is possible. (Num. 35:31, 33) Christians who oppose the death penalty in deserving cases tend to subordinate the justice of God to the love of God. But it is because humans are created in God's image that capital punishment is not only permitted by the Bible, but approved and encouraged as well. (Genesis 9:6)
Paul, one of Christ's disciples, in his hearing before Festus, states: "For if I am an offender, or have committed anything deserving of death, I do not object to dying." (Acts 25:11) St. Paul confirms that the civil authority may justly execute wrongdoers for certain crimes.
Christ Himself regarded capital punishment as a just penalty for murder when He said to one of his disciples after he tried to kill a soldier who had come to arrest Jesus: "...all who take the sword will perish by the sword." (Matt. 26:52) He also recognized the death penalty for people who cursed their parents. (Matt. 15:4)
When Jesus faces Pontius Pilate, Pilate says to Jesus: "Do You not know that I have power to crucify You..?" Jesus replies: "You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above." (John 19:10-11) Jesus reminds Pilate that the use of the death penalty is a divinely entrusted responsibility that is to be justly implemented. In Jesus Christ's crucifixion, one of the criminals crucified next to Jesus said: "...we receive the due reward of our deeds...Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom." Jesus replied: "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." (Luke 23:42-43) That pardon did not extend to eliminating the consequences of his crime.
There are a couple passages in Luke which speak directly on Jesus' position on the death penalty:

• "A certain man planted a vineyard, leased it to vinedressers, and went into a far country for a long time. Now at vintage-time he sent a servant to the vinedressers, that they might gave him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the vinedressers beat him and sent him away empty-handed. Again he sent another servant; and they beat him also, treated him shamefully, and sent him away empty-handed. And again he sent a third; and they wounded him also and cast him out. then the owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I will send my beloved son. Probably they will respect him when they see him.' But when the vinedressers saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.' So they cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. Therefore what will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy those vinedressers and give the vineyard to others." -Luke 20:9-16.

Jesus states in that parable that the proper punishment for murder is death. Christ also pronounced this judgment on those who rebelled against their king:

• "But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me." -Luke19:27

In the 19:27 parable their king is Jesus. So it is very clear that neither Christ nor His apostles intended to abrogate the God-given responsibility of the state (under Old Testament Law) to protect its citizens and enforce justice by capital punishment.And in Romans 13:3-4, St. Paul states:

• "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil...Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil."

So God has given the state the power of life and death over its subjects to maintain public safety for God established the governing authorities, and it is to them the responsibility of putting those to death who commit capital crimes.
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Sorry Graycat, but that dog just aint gonna hunt!!!

There are millions that believe the same way I do.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

The leftists after their failed attempt at destroying the New C.S.A..

 

[scraparcs]

I think the leftists (which in comparison would probably be 99% of people in the US) would be more likely to be all jailed or suffer capital punishment for something or other, probably looking at a Playboy or something.