Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (3)

TheReasoner · Jun 13, 2008

SOF, I have here a society into which you would fit perfectly. It uses better arguments than you do though, so maybe you could learn something from them? Wouldn't hurt your case if you could debate better you know...

Check it out:
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
Right up your alley I'd think.

ShieldOFaith · Jun 13, 2008

Shadowfax503 said:
SOF,
First off I said NOTHING about not personally believing in a 6 day creation! Yet you accuse me of it?

Second and more important my argument was about your use of the resurrection of Christ used to prove creation.
Which you did not respond to.

Third I stated that creation verses evolution was more of a problem of biases that evidence.
Yet you just keep stating the same opinion in different manners.(God did it! God did it! God did it!)

Forth you seem to question my belief that God is omnipotent.
How can you state that when I stated that Christ "ROSE" from the dead?

If your CSA wants to teach creation then teach creation. Just teach it using science and not faith.
(yes creation can be taught using science, some of the greatest scientist of the past believed in creation)

Why would you not teach evolution?
Some of the greatnesses Christian leaders of our time believe in evolution?

If you want to teach creation as faith then do not call it science.

This goes back to my point. Creation verses Evolution is more a problem of personal biases than evidence.

My point about God telling Moses about the creation in a way Moses could understand was that I do not think Moses would have understood advanced physics. Just like my daughter does not understand applied statistics.

God is the greatest Scientist of all times. Why not try and understand him a bit better by studying the science of this great universe he made?

Shadowfax, when I was in school they gave me a book I had to read. In it was the story how we got birds.

You see according to them there was a lizard creature. He wanted to eat the flies that were at the top of the trees. He could not get up there because the branches were too weak. So what did he do? He evolved and grew wings. Of course this took millions of years but he eventually sprouted wings and now he could catch the flies. Retarded. That story literally will retard anyone who reads it and believes it.

I'd rather read this instead:

The Scientific Alternative To
Neo-Darwinian Evolutionary Theory By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
Modern Darwinism is in a constant state of flux. New theories are developed almost daily to try to explain away the obvious difficulties presented by advancing science, often casting off the existence of a Creator. Here we present the scientific alternative to Neo-Darwinism.

Plenty of science here.

SOLA GRATIA.

ShieldOFaith · Jun 13, 2008

faith guardian said:
SOF, I have here a society into which you would fit perfectly. It uses better arguments than you do though, so maybe you could learn something from them? Wouldn't hurt your case if you could debate better you know...

Check it out:
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
Right up your alley I'd think.

This man destroys all filth called evolution.

A..E. Wilder-Smith studied natural sciences at Oxford, England. He received his first doctorate in Physical Organic Chemistry at Reading University, England, 1941. During World War II, he joined the Research department of ICI in England. After the war, he became Countess of Lisburne Memorial Fellow at the University of London. Subsequently, Dr. Wilder-Smith was appointed Director of Research for a Swiss pharmaceutical company. Later he was elected to teach Chemotherapy and Pharmacology at the Medical School of the University of Geneva for which position he received his "habitation" (the senior examination required for professorial appointments to European continental universities). At Geneva, he earned his second doctorate, followed by a third doctorate from the ETH (a senior university in Switzerland) in Zurich. In 1957-1958 Wilder-Smith was Visiting Assistant Professor at the Medical Centre of the University of Illinois, 1959-1961 Visting Full Professor of Pharmacology of the University of Bergen Medical School in Norway. After a further two years at the University of Geneva, he was appointed Full Professor of Pharmacology at the University of Illinois Medical Centre. Here he received in three succeeding years - three ``Golden Apple Awards" for the best course of lectures, together with four senior lecturer awards for the best series of year lectures.
Dr. Wilder-Smith's last Golden Apple award was inscribed, ``He made us not only better scientists, but also better men."
http://www.wildersmith.org/biography.htm

Read this book and then get back to me with your hatred of me.

The Time Dimension By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
Today's science is noted for quoting exceedingly long time spans for the history of the proposed evolution of life on earth. In this book, Dr. Wilder-Smith challenges such thinking on the basis of some of the latest developments in information theory, quantum physics and radiometric dating.

SOLA FIDE.

TheReasoner · Jun 13, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
This man destroys all filth called evolution.

A..E. Wilder-Smith studied natural sciences at Oxford, England. He received his first doctorate in Physical Organic Chemistry at Reading University, England, 1941. During World War II, he joined the Research department of ICI in England. After the war, he became Countess of Lisburne Memorial Fellow at the University of London. Subsequently, Dr. Wilder-Smith was appointed Director of Research for a Swiss pharmaceutical company. Later he was elected to teach Chemotherapy and Pharmacology at the Medical School of the University of Geneva for which position he received his "habitation" (the senior examination required for professorial appointments to European continental universities). At Geneva, he earned his second doctorate, followed by a third doctorate from the ETH (a senior university in Switzerland) in Zurich. In 1957-1958 Wilder-Smith was Visiting Assistant Professor at the Medical Centre of the University of Illinois, 1959-1961 Visting Full Professor of Pharmacology of the University of Bergen Medical School in Norway. After a further two years at the University of Geneva, he was appointed Full Professor of Pharmacology at the University of Illinois Medical Centre. Here he received in three succeeding years - three ``Golden Apple Awards" for the best course of lectures, together with four senior lecturer awards for the best series of year lectures.
Dr. Wilder-Smith's last Golden Apple award was inscribed, ``He made us not only better scientists, but also better men."
http://www.wildersmith.org/biography.htm

Read this book and then get back to me with your hatred of me.

The Time Dimension By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
Today's science is noted for quoting exceedingly long time spans for the history of the proposed evolution of life on earth. In this book, Dr. Wilder-Smith challenges such thinking on the basis of some of the latest developments in information theory, quantum physics and radiometric dating.

SOLA FIDE.

Des it make you feel good when you picture yourself in a victim's position? Sure, Shield, you were a victim of child abuse. But you're not a victim of my hatred. I hate what you're saying, any sane man would as you are promoting genocide and fighting scientific development. But I don't hate you.
I have said so before and I'll say so again Shield, I do not hate you. I worry a lot about you and I don't know how to tell you that what you're saying isn't sane. It is not what a person who is mentally healthy would say. Nothing's wrong about being sick, mentally or physically. I just wish you would seek professional help Shield.

And on another note, I wish you would moderate your font size somewhat. Please.

Wednesday · Jun 13, 2008

Holy zombies, Shield!

You actually exceeded your own standards of fail. Failure of global proportions.

Now

SOD OFF!!!

Nathan Poe · Jun 13, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Once again, you are a heathen and know very little about the Word of GOD.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. 2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, --Exodus 3[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Poe, stick to English. You are good at that. You are beyond weak in things of the Spirit.[/FONT]

Ah, but I am very good in things of mythology -- you, however, don't even know how to recognize it.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]GOD created all the world you see around you, and HE did it in 6 literal days.

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Repeating it ad nauseam doesn't make it so. Hanging those who disagree doesn't make it a valid argument.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]In the New C.S.A. science would be taught correctly.[/FONT]

I do hope "Correctly" means that it wouldn't be taught by you.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Here would be some of our required reading:[/FONT]

He Who Thinks Has To Believe By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
A fictional analogy about a lost "prehistoric" tribe confronted with modern-day secular philosophies regarding the existence of a Creator God.

The Scientific Alternative To
Neo-Darwinian Evolutionary Theory By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
Modern Darwinism is in a constant state of flux. New theories are developed almost daily to try to explain away the obvious difficulties presented by advancing science, often casting off the existence of a Creator. Here we present the scientific alternative to Neo-Darwinism.

Fulfilled Journey By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith & Beate Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
As a true pioneer of the alternatives to evolutionary theory, Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith fearlessly confronted the seemingly all-powerful theory of evolution in universities and churches all over the world. This book recounts the inspiring and delightful story of his life and the amazing work that God called him to. Beate, Dr. Wilder-Smith's wife, also tells her part of the story.

Man's Origin, Man's Destiny By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
In recent history mankind has undergone a complete reversal of perspective on the origins of the human race from one of belief in the supernatural to another which proposes a purely naturalistic explanation of the meaning and sanctity of life. The inevitable result is that men no longer have a clear sense of purpose. Only by understanding the origin of all things can we hope to regain our focus on who we are now and what is our eternal destiny.

The Time Dimension By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
Today's science is noted for quoting exceedingly long time spans for the history of the proposed evolution of life on earth. In this book, Dr. Wilder-Smith challenges such thinking on the basis of some of the latest developments in information theory, quantum physics and radiometric dating.

The Creation Of Life By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
A classic, exposing scientif materialism and concluding that to have an efficient design you must have an efficient designer.

The Natural Sciences Know Nothing Of Evolution By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
The Natural Sciences themselves are contrary to the theory of evolution as is demonstrated in detail in this challenging thesis.

http://www.wildersmith.org/books.htm

SOLA FIDE.

I see -- so, you would present only one person's agument, and show no interwsted in "teaching the controversey"?

Fundamentalist hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

Nathan Poe · Jun 13, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Shadowfax, when I was in school they gave me a book I had to read. In it was the story how we got birds.

Who read it to you?

You see according to them there was a lizard creature. He wanted to eat the flies that were at the top of the trees. He could not get up there because the branches were too weak. So what did he do? He evolved and grew wings. Of course this took millions of years but he eventually sprouted wings and now he could catch the flies. Retarded. That story literally will retard anyone who reads it and believes it.

Agreed, it is retarded -- you should sue that publisher for misrepresenting how evoluton works.

But since you never actually read that book, but rather, just made up that story (and believe me, Shield, it's as awful as the other stories you make up -- althoguh at least it's mercifully short) Then you have no case.

I'd rather read this instead:

The Scientific Alternative To
Neo-Darwinian Evolutionary Theory By: Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith
Publisher: The Word For Today
Modern Darwinism is in a constant state of flux. New theories are developed almost daily to try to explain away the obvious difficulties presented by advancing science, often casting off the existence of a Creator. Here we present the scientific alternative to Neo-Darwinism.

Plenty of science here.

SOLA GRATIA.

If you mean the science of publishing, indeed -- actual biology, nearly nil.

ShieldOFaith · Jun 13, 2008

faith guardian said:
Des it make you feel good when you picture yourself in a victim's position? Sure, Shield, you were a victim of child abuse. But you're not a victim of my hatred. I hate what you're saying, any sane man would as you are promoting genocide and fighting scientific development. But I don't hate you.
I have said so before and I'll say so again Shield, I do not hate you. I worry a lot about you and I don't know how to tell you that what you're saying isn't sane. It is not what a person who is mentally healthy would say. Nothing's wrong about being sick, mentally or physically. I just wish you would seek professional help Shield.

And on another note, I wish you would moderate your font size somewhat. Please.

Right after you openly Mock me, you say you don't hate me? Right....

You are mentally ill because you want criminals to run wild in the streets. You accuse me of mental illness when I say we should kill murderers/ rapists/ kidnapper/ gangsters...ect.. Hence, you are mentally unstable. You are advocating lawlessness, that could get many people murdered, raped, kidnapped...ect..

I am right, and you are wrong. This bugs you and you attack me with your hate.

So sorry; I'm still right:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God. 2 So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God's command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do good and you will have its approval. 4 For government is God's servant to you for good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God's servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong. 5 Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience. 6 And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God's public servants, continually attending to these tasks. --Romans 13

"FOR GOVERNMENT IS GOD'S SERVANT TO YOU FOR GOOD. BUT IF YOU DO WRONG, BE AFRAID, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT CARRY THE SWORD FOR NO REASON. FOR GOVERNMENT IS GOD'S SERVANT, AN AVENGER THAT BRINGS WRATH ON THE ONE WHO DOES WRONG."

The government should cut the heads off of murderers/ rapists/ kidnappers...ect..

I am still right. You are still wrong. Therefore you hate me and make it well known.

Still right,

Shield Of Faith.
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ShieldOFaith · Jun 13, 2008

Wednesday said:
Holy zombies, Shield!

You actually exceeded your own standards of fail. Failure of global proportions.

Now

SOD OFF!!!

READ THIS:

The bow of God's wrath is bent, and the arrow made ready on the string, and justice bends the arrow at your heart, and strains the bow, and it is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, and that of an angry God, without any promise or obligation at all, that keeps the arrow one moment from being made drunk with your blood. Thus all you that never passed under a great change of heart,
by the mighty power of the Spirit of God upon your souls; all you that were never born again, and made new creatures, and raised from being dead in sin, to a state of new, and before altogether unexperienced light and life, are in the hands of an angry God. However you may have reformed your life in many things, and may have had religious affections, and may keep up a form of religion in your families and closets, and in the house of God, it is nothing but his mere pleasure that keeps you from being this moment swallowed up in everlasting destruction. However unconvinced you may now be of the truth of what you hear, by and by you will be fully convinced of it. Those that are gone from being in the like circumstances with you, see that it was so with them; for destruction came suddenly upon most of them; when they expected nothing of it, and while they were saying, Peace and safety: now they see, that those things on which they depended for peace and safety, were nothing but thin air and empty shadows. --Jonathan Edwards, S.I.T.H.O.A.A.G.

What's that? You need a little more clarity? Here ya go:

The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night; that you was suffered to awake again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.
O sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, full of the fire of wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath is provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of the damned in hell. You hang by a slender thread, with the flames of divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe it, and burn it asunder; and you have no interest in any Mediator, and nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off the flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you ever have done, nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one moment. --Jonathan Edwards, S.I.T.H.O.A.A.G.

You might want to think about your anger toward me, but you really should think about your anger towards GOD and His Word. He is someone you really don't want to mess with. Seriously.

SOLA GRATIA.

EnemyPartyII · Jun 13, 2008

That smackdown... any sign yet?

GrayCat · Jun 13, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Once again, you are a heathen and know very little about the Word of GOD.

SOLA FIDE.

Your misuse of the word Heathen is really starting to bug me.

He is an Atheist. Not a Heathen. "Heathen" is the term that followers of Norse/Germanic Paganism use to refer to themselves and their branch of Pagan spirituality. It means "of the heath/home," since these religions are centered around family honor and loyalty.

Atheism =/= Heathenism.

EnemyPartyII · Jun 13, 2008

GrayCat said:
Your misuse of the word Heathen is really starting to bug me.

He is an Atheist. Not a Heathen. "Heathen" is the term that followers of Norse/Germanic Paganism use to refer to themselves and their branch of Pagan spirituality. It means "of the heath/home," since these religions are centered around family honor and loyalty.

Atheism =/= Heathenism.

How about that? I thought a heathen was just any non Big Three religion... similar to paganism.

ShieldOFaith · Jun 13, 2008

GrayCat said:
Your misuse of the word Heathen is really starting to bug me.

He is an Atheist. Not a Heathen. "Heathen" is the term that followers of Norse/Germanic Paganism use to refer to themselves and their branch of Pagan spirituality. It means "of the heath/home," since these religions are centered around family honor and loyalty.

Atheism =/= Heathenism.

hea·then

noun 1.an unconverted individual of a people that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible; a person who is neither a Jew, Christian, nor Muslim; pagan. 2.an irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized person. adjective 3.of or pertaining to heathens; pagan. 4.irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized.

I know what heathen means. I use it correctly. Unsaved! Heathen!

Here is a better one; Saved.

Means to be saved from GOD'S eternal wrath. Believe me, you want to get saved!!!

Love and peace,

Shield Of Faith.

Archaeopteryx · Jun 13, 2008

Right after you openly Mock me, you say you don't hate me? Right....

You are mentally ill because you want criminals to run wild in the streets. You accuse me of mental illness when I say we should kill murderers/ rapists/ kidnapper/ gangsters...ect.. Hence, you are mentally unstable. You are advocating lawlessness, that could get many people murdered, raped, kidnapped...ect..

Never once did I see anyone advocating for "criminals to run wild in the streets." So your claim that NathanPoe is mentally ill, lacks substance, since she never advocated lawlessness in the slightest.

I am right, and you are wrong. This bugs you and you attack me with your hate.

So sorry; I'm still right:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God. 2 So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God's command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do good and you will have its approval. 4 For government is God's servant to you for good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God's servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong. 5 Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience. 6 And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God's public servants, continually attending to these tasks. --Romans 13[/FONT]

Even the Devil can cite Scripture and then proclaim himself to be "right."

marshlewis · Jun 13, 2008

Shield have you considered reading a good novel once and a while?.

GrayCat · Jun 13, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
hea·then

noun 1.an unconverted individual of a people that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible; a person who is neither a Jew, Christian, nor Muslim; pagan. 2.an irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized person. adjective 3.of or pertaining to heathens; pagan. 4.irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized.

I know what heathen means. I use it correctly. Unsaved! Heathen!

Here is a better one; Saved.

Means to be saved from GOD'S eternal wrath. Believe me, you want to get saved!!!

Love and peace,

Shield Of Faith.

Question for everyone reading -

Should i submit this to FSTDT?

I really kinda want to.

GrayCat · Jun 13, 2008

Oh and Shield -

I'll pass on getting Saved (TM), thanks. I might consider the offer next time though if it came with a discount.

dlamberth · Jun 13, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
I know what heathen means. I use it correctly. Unsaved! Heathen!

Here is a better one; Saved.

Means to be saved from GOD'S eternal wrath. Believe me, you want to get saved!!!

Love and peace,

Shield Of Faith.

If being saved means becoming like you...no thanks...I'll remain a proud heathen..thank you anyway!!

.

Shadowfax503 · Jun 13, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
hea·then

noun 1.an unconverted individual of a people that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible; a person who is neither a Jew, Christian, nor Muslim; pagan. 2.an irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized person. adjective 3.of or pertaining to heathens; pagan. 4.irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized.

I know what heathen means. I use it correctly. Unsaved! Heathen!

Here is a better one; Saved.

Means to be saved from GOD'S eternal wrath. Believe me, you want to get saved!!!

Love and peace,

Shield Of Faith.

Sheild,(sigh)
If that is what being saved is to you I don't even know what to say.

I would like to say that yelling Hell Fire and Brimstone at the "Pagans" of Celtic Ireland would have gotten St. Patrick killed pretty quick and as that little island was a bastion to Christianity during the "Dark Ages" I can be pretty confidant in saying he did not go around telling the chieftains of Ireland they were going to BURN IN HELL!

You preach a Gospel of intolerance. You preach a gospel of damnation. You preach a gospel of separatism.

The whole bible tells a central story of how God wanted a relationship with mankind. That is why we are here. He is our "Father". Just as I love to be with my family so much more God wants to be with his family. "US"
We (mankind) tend to turn our back on him and sometimes chose not to listen to him. The same thing happens in every family. He (God) has always chosen to still seek to have a relationship with us. He is a better Dad than a lot of the earthly ones. He sent his Prophets to teach us more about himself so we could have a better relationship. Just like I tell my kids stories of my life. He sent his Law to teach us right from wrong and to keep us safe. Just like I tell my kids right from wrong and not to eat yellow snow. He sent himself to pay the price for my own wrong doings. Just like I would lay down my life to save any one of my children. That is the central story of the Bible.

Its not about "religion" its about a relationship!

Just because my child breaks my rules am I going to STRIKE HIM DOWN? Not hardly. If what they did deserves punishment then they will be punished, if not then it is a learning lesson for them. If they do get punished it is not done because I HATE them and can not be in their presence. It is because I love them and want them to be a better person or safe or make a better decision etc...
If I as a fallen man can do this why would God be less?

The God you preach is all punishment and torture and is stark and unbending. There is no mercy, no kindness ,no love in your God. This God you preach; if he were a human father would be the worst kind of child beater there is. He would punch a 2 year old in the face for stealing a cookie, he would starve his child for not doing what he said the first time, he would let his child bleed to death for playing with a knife he told them not to touch. If this is God than I want NO part of him!

I for one am glad this is NOT my God!

ShieldOFaith · Jun 13, 2008

Shadowfax503 said:
Sheild,(sigh)
If that is what being saved is to you I don't even know what to say.

I would like to say that yelling Hell Fire and Brimstone at the "Pagans" of Celtic Ireland would have gotten St. Patrick killed pretty quick and as that little island was a bastion to Christianity during the "Dark Ages" I can be pretty confidant in saying he did not go around telling the chieftains of Ireland they were going to BURN IN HELL!

You preach a Gospel of intolerance. You preach a gospel of damnation. You preach a gospel of separatism.

The whole bible tells a central story of how God wanted a relationship with mankind. That is why we are here. He is our "Father". Just as I love to be with my family so much more God wants to be with his family. "US"
We (mankind) tend to turn our back on him and sometimes chose not to listen to him. The same thing happens in every family. He (God) has always chosen to still seek to have a relationship with us. He is a better Dad than a lot of the earthly ones. He sent his Prophets to teach us more about himself so we could have a better relationship. Just like I tell my kids stories of my life. He sent his Law to teach us right from wrong and to keep us safe. Just like I tell my kids right from wrong and not to eat yellow snow. He sent himself to pay the price for my own wrong doings. Just like I would lay down my life to save any one of my children. That is the central story of the Bible.

Its not about "religion" its about a relationship!

Just because my child breaks my rules am I going to STRIKE HIM DOWN? Not hardly. If what they did deserves punishment then they will be punished, if not then it is a learning lesson for them. If they do get punished it is not done because I HATE them and can not be in their presence. It is because I love them and want them to be a better person or safe or make a better decision etc...
If I as a fallen man can do this why would God be less?

The God you preach is all punishment and torture and is stark and unbending. There is no mercy, no kindness ,no love in your God. This God you preach; if he were a human father would be the worst kind of child beater there is. He would punch a 2 year old in the face for stealing a cookie, he would starve his child for not doing what he said the first time, he would let his child bleed to death for playing with a knife he told them not to touch. If this is God than I want NO part of him!

I for one am glad this is NOT my God!

Shadow, I know you mean well. I know that you think that all I preach is wrath. However, I do try to speak about love. However I always frame it with discipline and power.

Shadow I want to bring out the Power and love through discipline of GOD. I want people to remember that GOD does not play games with humans.

Shadow, we have all been filled with and drowned in words of GOD'S love. That is all that most will talk about.

Shadow, Question:

Q. Did GOD kill every human being alive with the flood (save Noah and family) or did HE not?

Q. Did GOD kill 40,000 human beings in Korah's rebellion?

Q. What happened to Pharaoh's army?

Are you getting this? I want to make sure that all that read are aware of the Power and Wrath of GOD. HE is filled with love; however, HE will always smack the taste out of your mouth if you get buck wild.

The heathen need to know that there will be hell to pay; literally.

Preach the LOVE OF GOD!!! PLEASE!

YOU BE GOOD COP, I'LL BE BAD COP! The fact of the matter is that GOD is love and is the most loving being in and outside of the universe. HE also is the most powerful being ever. HE also will cast human beings into the Lake of Fire!

Shadow, please preach THE LOVE OF GOD. Don't stop preaching HIS love. The heathen need to know about HIS love.

I got the power and wrath covered.

SOLA GRATIA.

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