Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (3)

Hi everyone.

Remember me, Shield? Another one of those evil liberal homosexual abortionist heathens? ;-)


I should be surprised that this Thread is still here, after 2 months. But I'm not.

And i see the Topic, as it always seemed to be, is still homosexuality. Clearly it must be the worst of all possible sins, or something.

LOL

Now then, would you happen to have any proof that every single homosexual being learns and chooses their attractions, please? Thanks in advance..

Nathan Poe said:

Which brings us back to the important question -- How do you propose to detect and eliminate homosexuals who choose to remain in the closet in the C.S.A.?

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That's what I want to know also... Once a homosexual is detected, in Shields CSA, by what means are they to be eliminated? And once all of the homosexuals are eliminated, he's still not going to be happy because there will still be other perceived sinners about. What is he going to want to eliminate next?


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ShieldOFaith said:

Weak.

It is a BOLD FACED LIE that people are born Homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a sin, not blond hair.

No human being is born a MURDERER.


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Actually, people can be born with a predisposition to murder, theft and other things.
Of course, that doesn't make it right. But it isn't a choice they make.

There are many other things that can alter brain chemistry too. Resulting in conditions such as the aforementioned. Hormones and chemicals in food and drink for example. And I'm not talking about just hormones in meats. If you use a lot of plastic for example, your body will simulate estrogen which in extreme cases can cause feminization in males (fish, amphibians, birds and humans). Or increased risk of breast cancer in women. Of course this (feminization) often happen prior to birth, as the fetus responds to what the mother is exposed to. Sugar does the same thing.

In light of this, will you kill the parents of hermaphrodites? Will you kill people who use or sell plastic kitchen utensils and bottled drinks? The sugar industry, will you ban it?

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That's what I want to know also... Once a homosexual is detected, in Shields CSA, by what means are they to be eliminated?

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By hanging, of course. Shield's never been shy talking about that.

And once all of the homosexuals are eliminated, he's still not going to be happy because there will still be other perceived sinners about. What is he going to want to eliminate next?

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Well, between the gays, the Atheists, the heretics, and the people who don't follow such-and-such verse of Government-approved Christianity to the letter, the gallows will never be idle.


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Shield, you have not answered my question. What place would scientific inquiry have in the CSA?

ShieldOFaith said:

I.C.R.

Institute for Creation Research.

Dr. Ken Ham and the boys would establish the Science curriculum for the New C.S.A..

The lies of "evolution" would not be taught until the last two years of high school. And then it would be taught only in the light that it should be "SCIENCE FICTION".

SOLA FIDE.

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You have not answered the question. I was not talking about what place evolutionary theory would hold in the CSA, but rather, what place science in general, particularly scientific inquiry and research, would have in the CSA.

bjspurple said:

You have not answered the question. I was not talking about what place evolutionary theory would hold in the CSA, but rather, what place science in general, particularly scientific inquiry and research, would have in the CSA.

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Let's give him a moment to ponder that one while he gets back to ducking my question, which is how he intends to detect and eliminate closet homosexuals in the C.S.A.

I.C.R.? Now I really feel bad for the C.S.A. Glenn Morton learned the hard way he was sold a pack of lies (http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gstory.htm). And he is not the only one.

SoF, your condemning your nation to the dark ages.

bjspurple said:

You have not answered the question. I was not talking about what place evolutionary theory would hold in the CSA, but rather, what place science in general, particularly scientific inquiry and research, would have in the CSA.

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I think he kind of did. By stating that Creationists would be creating the science curriculum, he is admitting there would be no true science in the CSA and that scientific research would not exist.

ShieldOFaith said:

Thank you for agreeing with me, that no one is born a MURDERER.

No one is born a Pedophile, Rapist, Tax Fraud, Jay-Walker...ect..

And no one has ever and will ever be born a homosexual. Thanx.

SOLA SCRIPTURA.

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You didn't read my post, did you? Well. Please read this one then.
I agree that no-one is born a murderer or a rapist or anything like that. Those (murderers, rapists, whatever) need to have committed a certain action to become *insert label*. But...
They can still have an innate predisposition to the aforementioned actions.
Let's take homosexuals as they are the center of attention here. Homosexuals need no action to be homosexuals. They just need a sexual attraction to the same sex. They need for their brains to tell them to get sexually excited at the sight of members of their own sex as opposed to members of the opposite sex. That's all it takes. My point was, this can be innate. The actions related to it cannot be of course. But this brain chemistry - call it unnatural or wrong if you like - CAN be innate. It doesn't always have to though. We can alter it as we lead our lives. Others can influence it too. Through socialization we are molded into new people, as far as ideas, ethical standpoints and behavior patterns go. But it CAN be innate. Among other reasons the reasons I mentioned in my last post.

When such brain chemistry is innate, and the person in question has a predisposition to a certain act. Like for example being artistic. Or being homosexual. Or a psychopath. Or mellow. Or hyperactive. Or to have ADHD...
While it often is possible to alter the brain chemistry through reprogramming, hypnotherapy, drugs, socialization, diet and exercise to mention a few things this does not mean it is neither easy nor that it is always possible.
And it certainly doesn't mean we should just kill people who have this or that deviance from the norm simply because that deviance - which they often (innate or not) have no control over. Yes, I agree that sexual intercourse is always a choice. No matter your predisposition. But the attraction is not always a choice. In fact, it usually isn't. Not a conscious one anyway.

As for homosexuality, yes I think it is unnatural and wrong. BUT I do NOT think they should be bullied, excluded, discriminated against or killed for being homosexuals. In fact I think that we should be their friends and even helpers. Like Jesus was. He didn't stay away from sinners or judge or kill them for their sins. He was there to help them. To care for them and show them that they can change and are worth something despite their issues. And this, Shield, is one of the big differences between you and me. I would seek to do as Jesus did. And be their friend. I would seek to not condemn but welcome them.
You would seek to kill them.

ShieldOFaith said:

Weak.

It is a BOLD FACED LIE that people are born Homosexuals.

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Science says otherwise. And since science is what feeds you three times a day, you should listen to what it has to say.

Homosexuality is a sin, not blond hair.

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True, that. And since apparently the penalty for sin in your C.S.A. is death, and all have sinned and fall short...when you go around executing sinners there, SoF, don't forget to do the "Christian" thing and save the last round for yourself.

No human being is born a MURDERER.

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No human being is born a WIFE BEATER.

No human being is born an EMBEZZLER.

No human being is born a TAX FRAUD.

No human being is born a PROSTITUTE.

No human being is born a JAYWALKER.

No human being is born a THIEF.

No human being is born a NECROPHILE.

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Doesn't matter...the discussion was about homosexuality. And the fact you would list jaywalking with murder and wife-beating says a lot about your world view, and just confirms my belief you aren't to be trusted with anything sharp, let alone a country.

There is no Homosexual gene. Just like there is no Jaywalker gene.

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Apples and oranges.

Homosexuality is a vile sin that is learned. Just like all other sins.

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Yes, and since God views you as just as much of a sinner, save that last round for yourself.

Please try to stay in the realms of reality when posting. Or at least take your LEFTIST PROPAGANDA with a grain of salt.
SOLA GRATIA.

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ShieldOFaith said:

No human being is born a MURDERER.

No human being is born a WIFE BEATER.

No human being is born an EMBEZZLER.

No human being is born a TAX FRAUD.

No human being is born a PROSTITUTE.

No human being is born a JAYWALKER.

No human being is born a THIEF.

No human being is born a NECROPHILE.

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Some things we learn...true. And other things are God given and we can't do anything about it. That’s just how it is. Our sexual orientation is one of those things.

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dlamberth said:

Some things we learn...true. And other things are God given and we can't do anything about it. That’s just how it is. Our sexual orientation is one of those things.

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This is something you will never repeat never get SoF or the other fundies to admit, no matter how much evidence you present.

Why? Because if people are born with even a tendency to be homosexual, that would mean that God (that angry old man who the fundies say has his own cosmic version of Auschwitz for anyone outside the Norm) allowed people to be born that way.

So if God thinks homosexuality is so terribly disgusting awful, why would He allow anyone to be born that way? That would be the sort of logical contradiction that Kirk and Spock used to get alien computers to self-destruct. Unfortunately, fundies have far too high a tolerance for cognitive dissonance for that to work on them.

TheNewWorldMan said:

This is something you will never repeat never get SoF or the other fundies to admit, no matter how much evidence you present.

Why? Because if people are born with even a tendency to be homosexual, that would mean that God (that angry old man who the fundies say has his own cosmic version of Auschwitz for anyone outside the Norm) allowed people to be born that way.

So if God thinks homosexuality is so terribly disgusting awful, why would He allow anyone to be born that way? That would be the sort of logical contradiction that Kirk and Spock used to get alien computers to self-destruct. Unfortunately, fundies have far too high a tolerance for cognitive dissonance for that to work on them.

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What i want to know is, why do they never present any evidence that their claims are correct? The closest they ever seem to get is claiming that their claims are correct.

I think that if they could at least present some evidence to the contrary, it would be slightly more bearable to see them reject all the evidence that Homosexuality is something your born with.


Maybe then we could have an actual intelligent debate.

ShieldOFaith said:

Homosexuality is a vile sin that is learned.

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When I look at myself, my passions, my desires, what catches my eye, I can tell you as an absolute fact that I could never learn to be a homosexual. God made me like this and that&#8217;s the way it is&#8230;Period!!

But God made us all different. And He clearly made some who are attracted to the same sex. Like myself, how can any one of us learn something so intimate and personal as to the sexual orientation of those we are attracted to? God's hand is in this. That's just the way it is.

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ShieldOFaith said:

Wrong.

I am giving real science. Evolution is a stupid lie. It isn't even a good lie. If you are going to lie, at least make it good.

GOD created the universe and all we see in 6 days. Period. End of remark.

I would not let some heathen tell a bunch of ridiculous lies about billions and billions of years, slime puke turned into monkey filth, that turned into half-man/ monkey freak, that turned into man. Weak. What a horrible bad joke.

The bad joke would be told when young people have the capability to distinguish between science fiction and science.

The Word of GOD: Science.

Evolution: science fiction.

Nuff said.

SOLA FIDE.

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Opinion = 1. Substance= 0. A highly transparent argument lacking substance of any form. You have not proven that you are providing real science or that "evolution is a lie" or "science fiction." At least "evolution" has the sincerity to call itself a theory, a theory with substance at that, whereas you would assert your claim as pure fact, without even providing any facts to substantiate it. A poor argument. Is this how you intend to sell Creationism in the CSA? Because no-one with an ounce of critical thinking or curiosity is going to accept your claims as bare fact without reasonable deduction or evidence. And even if Creationism was taught as pure fact in Science classrooms, the curious would still rebel and believe in evolutionary theory regardless of whatever elaborate fiction you construct about it. You can't control what people believe. People tend to be moved by reason and evidence- neither of which you have provided.