Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

[Gremlins]

So you agree with me that this hell-bent running as fast as we can toward the flames of Sodom has to stop?!!!

But you also know that without blood shed, that will not happen.

You also know that we can't do that as Christians. We have to obey the laws of the land. And since there are more godless heathens that want to flush the laws and Word of God down the drain, than there are good Christian folk; that creates a problem. Right?

So an alternative to a bloody revolution/ civil war; is the New C.S.A..

We are in agreement. Thanx.

SOLA GRATIA.

The good thing is that in a democracy you can *change* the laws of the land. The fact that the evangelicals have been in power for most of the 30 years, but America is still liberalising, just shows how you've been ignored by the pro-business wing of the Republican party. If I were you, I'd try and persuade the socially conservative, economically moderate Republicans and bluedog Dems to form their own party. Then your views might actually be listened to.

 

[PassionFruit]

The good thing is that in a democracy you can *change* the laws of the land. The fact that the evangelicals have been in power for most of the 30 years, but America is still liberalising, just shows how you've been ignored by the pro-business wing of the Republican party. If I were you, I'd try and persuade the socially conservative, economically moderate Republicans and bluedog Dems to form their own party. Then your views might actually be listened to.

Yeah, but we all know that CSA wouldn't be a democracy.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

So you're advocating the genocide of non-christians?

Righto, see you in the Hague.

Wrong as usual. You should read the posts to see what I actually said, then give comment.

SOLA FIDE.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

The good thing is that in a democracy you can *change* the laws of the land. The fact that the evangelicals have been in power for most of the 30 years, but America is still liberalising, just shows how you've been ignored by the pro-business wing of the Republican party. If I were you, I'd try and persuade the socially conservative, economically moderate Republicans and bluedog Dems to form their own party. Then your views might actually be listened to.

If you are truly 17 yrs old like your line says you are, then I don't recon that you'd understand much history. So let me fill you in. Once a nation like ours gets buck wild and runs from GOD, we only get worse and worse. Then finally GOD gets sick of the vileness and LAYS THE SMACKETH DOWN!!!

THE GOD SMACK IS COMING!

SOLA SCRIPTURA.

 

[GrayCat]

LOLOL That's "history"?

Can you cite some evidence for that claim, please?

Cause it sounds suspiciously like lofty, fear-based, rhetorical preaching to me.

 

[Adivi]

If you are truly 17 yrs old like your line says you are, then I don't recon that you'd understand much history. So let me fill you in. Once a nation like ours gets buck wild and runs from GOD, we only get worse and worse. Then finally GOD gets sick of the vileness and LAYS THE SMACKETH DOWN!!!

THE GOD SMACK IS COMING!

SOLA SCRIPTURA.

Yeah, that 85% atheistic Sweden is just in SHAMBLES right now.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

If you are truly 17 yrs old like your line says you are, then I don't recon that you'd understand much history. So let me fill you in. Once a nation like ours gets buck wild and runs from GOD, we only get worse and worse. Then finally GOD gets sick of the vileness and LAYS THE SMACKETH DOWN!!!

THE GOD SMACK IS COMING!

SOLA SCRIPTURA.

If that's true--and I don't believe it is--the angels wearing trenchcoats and carrying Schmeissers will be delousing and "showering" you right along with the rest of us.

I believe God has a higher moral standard than Adolf Hitler, but that's just me.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

LOLOL That's "history"?

Can you cite some evidence for that claim, please?

Cause it sounds suspiciously like lofty, fear-based, rhetorical preaching to me.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 How lonely sits the city That was full of people! How like a widow is she, Who was great among the nations! The princess among the provinces Has become a slave! 2 She weeps bitterly in the night, Her tears are on her cheeks; Among all her lovers She has none to comfort her. All her friends have dealt treacherously with her; They have become her enemies. 3 Judah has gone into captivity, Under affliction and hard servitude; She dwells among the nations, She finds no rest; All her persecutors overtake her in dire straits. 4 The roads to Zion mourn Because no one comes to the set feasts. All her gates are desolate; Her priests sigh, Her virgins are afflicted, And she is in bitterness. 5 Her adversaries have become the master, Her enemies prosper; For the Lord has afflicted her Because of the multitude of her transgressions. Her children have gone into captivity before the enemy. 6 And from the daughter of Zion All her splendor has departed. Her princes have become like deer That find no pasture, That flee without strength Before the pursuer. 7 In the days of her affliction and roaming, Jerusalem remembers all her pleasant things That she had in the days of old. When her people fell into the hand of the enemy, With no one to help her, The adversaries saw her And mocked at her downfall.* 8 Jerusalem has sinned gravely, Therefore she has become vile.* All who honored her despise her Because they have seen her nakedness; Yes, she sighs and turns away. 9 Her uncleanness is in her skirts; She did not consider her destiny; Therefore her collapse was awesome; She had no comforter. "O Lord, behold my affliction, For the enemy is exalted!" 10 The adversary has spread his hand Over all her pleasant things; For she has seen the nations enter her sanctuary, Those whom You commanded Not to enter Your assembly. 11 All her people sigh, They seek bread; They have given their valuables for food to restore life. "See, O Lord, and consider, For I am scorned." [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 12 "Is it nothing to you, all you who pass by? Behold and see If there is any sorrow like my sorrow, Which has been brought on me, Which the Lord has inflicted In the day of His fierce anger. 13 "From above He has sent fire into my bones, And it overpowered them; He has spread a net for my feet And turned me back; He has made me desolate And faint all the day. 14 "The yoke of my transgressions was bound;* They were woven together by His hands, And thrust upon my neck. He made my strength fail; The Lord delivered me into the hands of those whom I am not able to withstand. 15 "The Lord has trampled underfoot all my mighty men in my midst; He has called an assembly against me To crush my young men; The Lord trampled as in a winepress The virgin daughter of Judah. 16 "For these things I weep; My eye, my eye overflows with water; Because the comforter, who should restore my life, Is far from me. My children are desolate Because the enemy prevailed." 17 Zion spreads out her hands, But no one comforts her; The Lord has commanded concerning Jacob That those around him become his adversaries; Jerusalem has become an unclean thing among them. 18 "The Lord is righteous, For I rebelled against His commandment. Hear now, all peoples, And behold my sorrow; My virgins and my young men Have gone into captivity. 19 "I called for my lovers, But they deceived me; My priests and my elders Breathed their last in the city, While they sought food To restore their life. 20 "See, O Lord, that I am in distress; My soul is troubled; My heart is overturned within me, For I have been very rebellious. Outside the sword bereaves, At home it is like death. 21 "They have heard that I sigh, But no one comforts me. All my enemies have heard of my trouble; They are glad that You have done it. Bring on the day You have announced, That they may become like me. 22 "Let all their wickedness come before You, And do to them as You have done to me For all my transgressions; For my sighs are many, And my heart is faint." --LAMENTATIONS 1[/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 How the Lord has covered the daughter of Zion With a cloud in His anger! He cast down from heaven to the earth The beauty of Israel, And did not remember His footstool In the day of His anger. 2 The Lord has swallowed up and has not pitied All the dwelling places of Jacob. He has thrown down in His wrath The strongholds of the daughter of Judah; He has brought them down to the ground; He has profaned the kingdom and its princes. 3 He has cut off in fierce anger Every horn of Israel; He has drawn back His right hand From before the enemy. He has blazed against Jacob like a flaming fire Devouring all around. 4 Standing like an enemy, He has bent His bow; With His right hand, like an adversary, He has slain all who were pleasing to His eye; On the tent of the daughter of Zion, He has poured out His fury like fire. 5 The Lord was like an enemy. He has swallowed up Israel, He has swallowed up all her palaces; He has destroyed her strongholds, And has increased mourning and lamentation In the daughter of Judah. 6 He has done violence to His tabernacle, As if it were a garden; He has destroyed His place of assembly; The Lord has caused The appointed feasts and Sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion. In His burning indignation He has spurned the king and the priest. 7 The Lord has spurned His altar, He has abandoned His sanctuary; He has given up the walls of her palaces Into the hand of the enemy. They have made a noise in the house of the Lord As on the day of a set feast. 8 The Lord has purposed to destroy The wall of the daughter of Zion. He has stretched out a line; He has not withdrawn His hand from destroying; Therefore He has caused the rampart and wall to lament; They languished together. 9 Her gates have sunk into the ground; He has destroyed and broken her bars. Her king and her princes are among the nations; The Law is no more, And her prophets find no vision from the Lord. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 10 The elders of the daughter of Zion Sit on the ground and keep silence; They throw dust on their heads And gird themselves with sackcloth. The virgins of Jerusalem Bow their heads to the ground. 11 My eyes fail with tears, My heart is troubled; My bile is poured on the ground Because of the destruction of the daughter of my people, Because the children and the infants Faint in the streets of the city. 12 They say to their mothers, "Where is grain and wine?" As they swoon like the wounded In the streets of the city, As their life is poured out In their mothers' bosom. 13 How shall I console you? To what shall I liken you, O daughter of Jerusalem? What shall I compare with you, that I may comfort you, O virgin daughter of Zion? For your ruin is spread wide as the sea; Who can heal you? 14 Your prophets have seen for you False and deceptive visions; They have not uncovered your iniquity, To bring back your captives, But have envisioned for you false prophecies and delusions. 15 All who pass by clap their hands at you; They hiss and shake their heads At the daughter of Jerusalem: "Is this the city that is called 'The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth'?" 16 All your enemies have opened their mouth against you; They hiss and gnash their teeth. They say, "We have swallowed her up! Surely this is the day we have waited for; We have found it, we have seen it!" 17 The Lord has done what He purposed; He has fulfilled His word Which He commanded in days of old. He has thrown down and has not pitied, And He has caused an enemy to rejoice over you; He has exalted the horn of your adversaries. 18 Their heart cried out to the Lord, "O wall of the daughter of Zion, Let tears run down like a river day and night; Give yourself no relief; Give your eyes no rest. 19 "Arise, cry out in the night, At the beginning of the watches; Pour out your heart like water before the face of the Lord. Lift your hands toward Him For the life of your young children, Who faint from hunger at the head of every street." 20 "See, O Lord, and consider! To whom have You done this? Should the women eat their offspring, The children they have cuddled?* Should the priest and prophet be slain In the sanctuary of the Lord? 21 "Young and old lie On the ground in the streets; My virgins and my young men Have fallen by the sword; You have slain them in the day of Your anger, You have slaughtered and not pitied. 22 "You have invited as to a feast day The terrors that surround me. In the day of the Lord's anger There was no refugee or survivor. Those whom I have borne and brought up My enemies have destroyed." --LAMENTATIONS 2[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Yes! It's coming soon to the United States of America!!![/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]THE GOD SMACK IS COMING!!![/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA FIDE.
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[TheNewWorldMan]

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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]THE GOD SMACK IS COMING!!![/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA FIDE.
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Yes, God is going to make all the Bad People in the world two feet tall! That way we'll know who they are!

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

So an alternative to a bloody revolution/ civil war; is the New C.S.A..

Yep, all you have to do is make all the Bad People leave whatever land you declare to be the C.S.A. I assume you'll use water pistols to drive them out?

And I assume you'll be paying the people you deport fair market value for their property? You wouldn't want to be a thief...after all, in the C.S.A., that'll get you deloused and showered.

 

[Paulos23]

Yes! It's coming soon to the United States of America!!!


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]THE GOD SMACK IS COMING!!!

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Do you really want this? Why are you so happy for this? You sure your not going to be turned two feet tall?

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Do you really want this? Why are you so happy for this? You sure your not going to be turned two feet tall?

Well, you know what the fundies say: you gotta nuke the planet in order to save it.

 

[DrStrangelove]

Well, you know what the fundies say: you gotta nuke the planet in order to save it.

There must not be a mine-shaft gap!

 

[Nathan Poe]

So you agree with me that this hell-bent running as fast as we can toward the flames of Sodom has to stop?!!!

But you also know that without blood shed, that will not happen.

You also know that we can't do that as Christians. We have to obey the laws of the land. And since there are more godless heathens that want to flush the laws and Word of God down the drain, than there are good Christian folk; that creates a problem. Right?

So an alternative to a bloody revolution/ civil war; is the New C.S.A..

We are in agreement. Thanx.

SOLA GRATIA.

While I may not agree with all of your premises, Shield, I'll admit that your argument is a sound one. Since Christians are obligated to obey the laws of the land, then forming your own nation would seem to be the way to go.

However, as I've noted before, the only "weak link" as it were, in this New C.S.A. seems to be yourself. Your position has softened from Hanging sinners (giving them a Bible-based execution, exactly as God demands) to merely deporting them.

It's not my place to speculate whether or not God will appreciate your ever-softening position (Although given the nature of God's character as you've described Him, I'd venture a guess and say not), but certainly the people of the C.S.A. will be very unhappy with you -- unhappy enough to perhaps demand your own exile (at best) or execution (at worst)

Which would bring us to a very ironic situation -- the people of the C.S.A. deciding that you, Shield, were not Christian enough to partake in it.

Quick question, Shield: Would you still advocate the formation of a C.S.A. if it were determined that you yourself would not be welcome there?

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Yep, all you have to do is make all the Bad People leave whatever land you declare to be the C.S.A. I assume you'll use water pistols to drive them out?

And I assume you'll be paying the people you deport fair market value for their property? You wouldn't want to be a thief...after all, in the C.S.A., that'll get you deloused and showered.

I know this is almost Quantum Mechanics, but stay with me here.

1. You start a new nation.

2. You buy an island that is uninhabited or has a very small populace.

3. YOU MAKE SURE YOU TELL EVERYONE THAT IS ABOUT TO COME TO THIS ISLAND TO LIVE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A VERY STRICT CAPITAL PUNISHMENT SYSTEM PUT INTO PLACE IN THIS NEW NATION. YOU LIST ALL THE CRIMES THAT WILL CARRY A DEATH SENTENCE. YES, ONE OF THEM IS HOMOSEXUALITY.

HENCE THE CRIMINALS WHO WOULD WANT TO COMMIT ONE OF THESE CRIMES WOULD NOT WANT TO GO TO THIS NEW NATION. GEE--WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT???

Now I know that one must almost have a Ph.D in nuclear physics to follow this extremely difficult concept; but I am hoping you can catch on to this, this time.

To recap:

Create a new nation.

Warn people that there will be a strong capital punishment system put into place that will not play with criminals. List the crimes that will get you killed.

Those who wish to commit these kind of crimes would not want to go to this new place.

Alrighty then...

SOLA GRATIA.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

You do realize that the U.N will see your country as a dictatorship, know for a fact it'll probably explode into a "take over the world" scheme, and proceed to nuke it back into the ocean? You think the rest of the world is going to fly with something like that? It's an advantage of power waiting to happen. If you give someone that sort of position, they will take it, see themselves as some holy savior, and go on to try to indoctrinate their ridiculous judgments on the rest of the world. It ALWAYS HAPPENS.

 

[SpyridonOCA]

Why is this thread still in progress? Someone needs to wear a tin foil hat.

 

[Adivi]

I know this is almost Quantum Mechanics, but stay with me here.

1. You start a new nation.

2. You buy an island that is uninhabited or has a very small populace.

3. YOU MAKE SURE YOU TELL EVERYONE THAT IS ABOUT TO COME TO THIS ISLAND TO LIVE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A VERY STRICT CAPITAL PUNISHMENT SYSTEM PUT INTO PLACE IN THIS NEW NATION. YOU LIST ALL THE CRIMES THAT WILL CARRY A DEATH SENTENCE. YES, ONE OF THEM IS HOMOSEXUALITY.

HENCE THE CRIMINALS WHO WOULD WANT TO COMMIT ONE OF THESE CRIMES WOULD NOT WANT TO GO TO THIS NEW NATION. GEE--WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT???

Now I know that one must almost have a Ph.D in nuclear physics to follow this extremely difficult concept; but I am hoping you can catch on to this, this time.

To recap:

Create a new nation.

Warn people that there will be a strong capital punishment system put into place that will not play with criminals. List the crimes that will get you killed.

Those who wish to commit these kind of crimes would not want to go to this new place.

Alrighty then...

SOLA GRATIA.

Then what makes it the 'Confederate States of America'? The old CSA was called so because it was a fragment of the United States of America. But this new island would presumably not be US property, so why would it be called the CSA?

 

[mpok1519]

SoF sounds like Fred Phelps. (sadly, I live in the same city as that whacko.)

CSA would be a rogue dictatorship which the USA would destory in a matter of, oh, I don't know, days.

we did it to Iraq. We can do it again! only this time, the American people will agree w/ the war w/ CSA!

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Why hangings though? You don't think strangling someone to death if their necks don't snap is cruel and unusual punishment? pray tell.

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I'm almost done wiht my dissertation on psychological disorders. SoF has provided me wit all the research I need.
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seriously pal, we pray for you, get help soon. Lifes too short to be so full of hate for one's enemies. You really need help bro, and we all pray you'll find it, and we pray your family also supports you in these times of confusion.
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The sociologist Emile Durkheim theorized all societies progress down a line of evolutionary patterns, with simple societies sharing very strict social norms and mores based upon the collective conscious of the society(usually with one single religion), whereas more complex societies have a wide strata of norms, values and mores, where deviance is dealt with, but not as harshly as cimple societies.

But, simple societies, never last long, as they are usually the victims of their own isolation from the rest of the world.

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SoF >> you shouldn't see people as "us or them". We're all one race, and we're all one peoples. We're all God's people, and it seems your world if pretty small if you think God only loves the radical fundamentalists like yourself. because Ghandi IS in Heaven.

I know you feel sick to hear that, but its true, and you should accept it. =)

again, we're praying!

 

[mpok1519]

SoF sounds like Fred Phelps. (sadly, I live in the same city as that whacko.)

CSA would be a rogue dictatorship which the USA would destory in a matter of, oh, I don't know, days.

we did it to Iraq. We can do it again! only this time, the American people will agree w/ the war w/ CSA!

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Why hangings though? You don't think strangling someone to death if their necks don't snap is cruel and unusual punishment? pray tell.

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seriously pal, we pray for you, get help soon. Lifes too short to be so full of hate for one's enemies. You really need help bro, and we all pray you'll find it, and we pray your family also supports you in these times of confusion.
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The sociologist Emile Durkheim theorized all societies progress down a line of evolutionary patterns, with simple societies sharing very strict social norms and mores based upon the collective conscious of the society(usually with one single religion), whereas more complex societies have a wide strata of norms, values and mores, where deviance is dealt with, but not as harshly as cimple societies.

But, simple societies, never last long, as they are usually the victims of their own isolation from the rest of the world.

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SoF >> you shouldn't see people as "us or them". We're all one race, and we're all one peoples. We're all God's people, and it seems your world if pretty small if you think God only loves the radical fundamentalists like yourself. because Ghandi IS in Heaven.

I know you feel sick to hear that, but its true, and you should accept it. =)

again, we're praying!