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Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

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Where on earth is this stated in the Bible?

Or anywhere else for that matter?


And if the government does this, isn't that practically placing itself at the same level as God?

ISSUES IN FOCUS - Capital punishment The Bible is very clear on the matter of capital punishment. In view of fallen mankind's wickedness and for the well-being of the human race, God instituted civil government as the visible manifestation of the justice of God in human society. He invested the government with the authority to judicially wield the sword of execution on the murderer. The penalty for violating the sanctity of life is stated in Genesis 9:6. "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed". Why? "For in the image of God He made man". God so highly estimates human life that He will not suffer murder to go unavenged. Though justice belongs only to God, He delegates it to institutions He sets up among men.
God created man in His image and clothed him with His authority to judicially enact the death penalty upon the sin of murder after the due process of law, because it is the only way in which a land can be purged from the guilt of such an atrocious public crime: "Whoever kills any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses ... bloodshed pollutes the land, and atonement cannot be made for the land on which blood has been shed except by the blood of the one who shed it" (Num 35:30 & 33).
The Hebrew word in the sixth commandment is rightly translated "murder" not kill: i.e. murder is the unlawful taking of life. Capital punishment is the lawful, God-ordained taking of a life. We must remember that the State, and only the State, has the right to bear the sword in vengeance, no matter how derelict it may be. While citizens have their right to self-defence (Ex 22:2), they do not have the right of vengeance, neither against child molesters, rapists, abortionists, etc. Even when wickedness abounds, men do not have their right to take justice in their own hands since it belongs only to God Who delegates it through His lawful representative, the State.
The solution is not more lawlessness (i.e. revolution) but reformation and repentance. Let us follow the example of the ancient city of Ninevah, and "call on God earnestly that each may turn from his wicked way and from the violence which is in his hands. Who knows, God may turn and relent, and withdraw His burning anger so that we shall not perish?" (Jonah 3:8).
Isn't this Old Testament law?
Some may argue that this law is contained in the Old Testament and that the New Testament did away with the law. However, the death penalty instituted by God in Genesis 9:6 was before Mosaic law and was not meant for one dispensation but "for all generations to come" (Gen 9:12). Jesus said that He did not come to "abolish the law but to fulfil it" (Matt 5:17). The divine authority invested in the government is repeated in the New Testament where it says, in Romans 13, that the civil government "does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer ... to punish those who do wrong". Keep in mind that the sword is a weapon (and this was well understood in the Roman times) which is capable of inflicting all sorts of injury, including death.
http://www.acdp.org.za/issues/cappunishment.asp

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Again, I am not the only Christian that understands the Word of God in context and correctly interpreted.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
 
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All he ever does is Copy-Paste Bible and Caps Lock Attack. I'm not even sure that he even reads the passages he is copying. Just a child, really.

Humm...

How childish does this sound:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. --2 Thess. 1[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA GRATIA.
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Humm...

How childish does this sound:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. --2 Thess. 1[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA GRATIA.
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Because quoting random bits of the Bible in a vain attempt to look persecuted makes me look like I am involved with SERIOUS BUSINESS
 
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Then stop posting here because you can't win, you can't beat the truth

In Wednesday's words:

All he ever does is Copy-Paste Bible and Caps Lock Attack.

Just because everybody is ridiculing SoF for not only being unable to debate, but dragging this rediculous "CSA" idea for over 155 pages does not make him persecuted. Maybe the rest of the board will start to respect him when he starts backing up his assertions with hard facts instead of subjective essays and Bible verses and start respecting the people he debates with.
 
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In Wednesday's words:



Just because everybody is ridiculing SoF for not only being unable to debate, but dragging this rediculous "CSA" idea for over 155 pages does not make him persecuted. Maybe the rest of the board will start to respect him when he starts backing up his assertions with hard facts instead of subjective essays and Bible verses and start respecting the people he debates with.

Maybe when you start respecting GODS Word, you'll get a clue of where I'm coming from.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. --Hebrews 4

SOLA SCRIPTURA!
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In Wednesday's words:



Just because everybody is ridiculing SoF for not only being unable to debate, but dragging this rediculous "CSA" idea for over 155 pages does not make him persecuted. Maybe the rest of the board will start to respect him when he starts backing up his assertions with hard facts instead of subjective essays and Bible verses and start respecting the people he debates with.

P.s. The ridicule comes from not being able to stand up to the Word of God. They have nothing to come back with except their own hatred and anger.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. --Psalm 2[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA FIDE.
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P.s. The ridicule comes from not being able to stand up to the Word of God. They have nothing to come back with except their own hatred and anger.

Please, we are not raging against God. We are raging against your crazy idea of a nation based on the Bible, and your twisted interpretation of the Bible at that.

Your continuing large blocks of Bible text that don't always support you, and your large text tells me that you think you can win this if you keep shouting long enough. That is a very childish way to discuss or argue.

It is very clear you like living in a fantasy world, since all your responses about your nation not being a terror state or a dictatorship clearly shows you don't understand people. If you think people can stay on the straight and narrow for all of their lives, then you will have to make those people (either in fantasy or as robots) because they don't exist in real life.

A big part of the Christian religion that I learned was forgiveness. I don't see that in your make believe land. I see a lot of condemning and persecution of anyone that doesn't agree with you. And that is you SoF, not God, you. You who are saying these things and claiming they come from God, when it is clear you are projecting your hatred through your interpretation of the Bible.

You may want to take a step back and give yourself some time to reflect on that before it consumes you.
 
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P.s. The ridicule comes from not being able to stand up to the Word of God. They have nothing to come back with except their own hatred and anger.


Physician heal thyself.

I remember you cheering when something happened to two homosexual girls.

You are all about hatred little guy.
 
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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]This is why you are saying the things you are saying. You can never fully understand the Word of God because your heart is darkened with sin.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]The Word of GOD is sound and perfect. You just can't discern it. As long as you are outside of Christ, you will never discern it.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Nothing that you ever will say can diminish this one iota. These words are perfectly eternal. When your words come up against GODS Words; your words lose every time. :thumbsup:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA SCRIPTURA.[/FONT]

I fail to see anything holy about hanging children from the town square. I guess only "True Christians" can find spiritual enlightenment in what the civilized world considers atrocity.
 
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P.s. The ridicule comes from not being able to stand up to the Word of God. They have nothing to come back with except their own hatred and anger.

So, if we had more of God's love in us, we'd hang children from the town square as happily as you do?
 
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And Nathan perfectly succinctly demonstrates why Shield's utopia will never come to be. Nicely done, NP!

Thank you very much; I'll be here all week.

be sure to try the house special, and if it's not kosher, hang the chef!
 
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No one listen to his psycho-babble. I have never seen someone rape the Word of God moreso than SoF has. I have never seen the best ideas in the world turned into complete psychotic crap.


Execute all homosexuals, all drug doers, all diobidient children, AND execute all widowed women who refuse to marry their brothers-in-law, and people who eat pork or shellfish.


SoF, you have successfully informed us that you are far from what a REAL Christian is.

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also, answer my question which you have feared to answer. Your fear stinks so bad I can smell it over the internet.

Would widowed women be FORCED to marry their brother-in-law as commanded in the OT? If yes, what if the woman doesn't want to marry, but the brother in law does? Who gets to make the choice?

You avoiding this question reminds everyone that you aren't a real Christian, but you just pander Christ for your own perverted goals which is sick, disgusting and downright infernal.

You aren't a real Christian. You're full of hate.
 
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I have a serious Question for SoF and I do not want it skipped over.


Are you certain that the being you are describing, and the being that you claim to know and speak for, is in fact the Christian God and not the Christian Devil?


To me, a Non Christian, the two are sounding an awful lot like two sides of the same coin from what i have seen of "God" in this Thread.
 
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