Covenantal Position

[JM]

What are your views concerning the Covenants?

What are your views concerning the Covenants?

Quote: Covenant Theology (also known as Covenantalism or Federal theology or Federalism) is a conceptual overview and interpretive framework for understanding the overall flow of the Bible. Covenantalism uses the theological concept of "Covenant" as an organizing principle for Christian theology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_Theology

Quote: New Covenant Theology refers to a theological view of redemptive history primarily found in Baptist circles and contrasted with Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Covenant_Theology

Quote: Modified Covenant Theology: While studying the imputed righteousness of Christ, I found a way in my mind to merge the NCT / lutheran view of the law with tradtional reformed covenant theology. Basically, I have redefined the covenant of works and classified Sinai exclusively as a covenant of works while retaining a covenant of grace which NCT denies. Below are my comparisons between CT NCT, and MCT. Dr. Richard Bacon, a covenant theologian who has written many books and even coauthored a book with Gary Crampton was kind enough to comment on my thoughts. Included in this comparison is a dialogue which we shared. I will be writing a more in-depth article on MCT soon.
http://www.5solas.org/media.php?id=573

Quote: As a current in Christian theology, Dispensationalism teaches biblical history as a number of successive economies or administrations, called dispensations, each of which emphasizes the continuity of the Old Testament covenants God made with His chosen people through Abraham, Moses and King David. However dispensationalism conceptually also exists beyond issues of just Christian doctrine. For example the Bahá'í Faith uses the general concept of dispensations as described but in the broader context of all the major religions of humanity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensational_Theology

Quote: Progressive dispensationalism is one of two views in mainstream dispensationalism, the other being the traditional view.

The major difference between the traditional and progressive dispensationalist views concerns the relationship between the dispensations. Traditional dispensationalists perceive the present age of grace as an "intercalation" or parenthesis in God's plan, and therefore is unrelated to the past and future dispensations. However progressive dispensationalists reject this idea of a parenthesis, and perceive the present age of grace as a key link or progression in relation with the past and future dispensations. The term "progressive" comes from this theological concept of progression between the dispensations, and is not related to the social or political use of the term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_dispensationalism

A Comparison of Three Systems: Dispensationalism - Covenant Theology - New Covenant Theology
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DeafPreterist/compare.html

Peace,

~JM~

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[Iosias]

I hold to covenant theology Gill explains it well here.

1. I believe that God has finished with Israel as a nation and agree with O. Palmer Robertson on most of Romans 11.
2. I am moving to the position that the Mosaic Covenant was a republication of the Covenant of Works. (see)
3. I do not believe that faith is a part of the Law otherwise it would make justification based upon a work.
4. I believe that the Law is the rule of life as did the Reformers and Puritans.
5. I believe that the covenant of God is with believers and their children and so I hold to paedobaptism.

 

[cygnusx1]

I believe in Covenant theology (God covenants with families and Israel) , and some parts of dispensationalism , especially concerning Israel . (Romans 11)

I Do not believe the Law is the Christians rule of life , I believe Law and Grace are anti-thetical , many Reformed disagree , Strict Baptists and Plymouth brethren agree with me on this point .

I do not hold to a literal millennium , (thousand year reign) .

so that makes me .......*cut the sarcasm* ...... :o

 

[edie19]

Covenantal (and I believe that to be consistent with credo-baptism but that's another topic).

edie

 

[kimlva]

Haven't a clue. Don't fit in any of them.

 

[Iosias]

...and some parts of dispensationalism , especially concerning Israel . (Romans 11) ...I do not hold to a literal millennium , (thousand year reign)

 

[cygnusx1]

 

[Iosias]

What parts of dispensationalism do you agree with if not the millennium?

 

[cygnusx1]

What parts of dispensationalism do you agree with if not the millennium?

The dispensation of Law until the New Covenant Dispensation of Grace. No Christian is under the Law of Moses , not even as a so called "rule of life" ... we are under the Law Of Christ . I do not split the Law up into ceremonial , Civil and Moral ...... the Law is one , and all who are under it are under it as a slaves .

GALATIANS 3


9: So then, those who are men of faith are blessed with Abraham who had faith.
10: For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them."
11: Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for "He who through faith is righteous shall live";
12: but the law does not rest on faith, for "He who does them shall live by them."
13: Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, "Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree" --
14: that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15: To give a human example, brethren: no one annuls even a man's will, or adds to it, once it has been ratified.
16: Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many; but, referring to one, "And to your offspring," which is Christ.
17: This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
18: For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19: Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained by angels through an intermediary.
20: Now an intermediary implies more than one; but God is one.
21: Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not; for if a law had been given which could make alive, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
22: But the scripture consigned all things to sin, that what was promised to faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23: Now before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed.
24: So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith.
25: But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian;
26: for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
27: For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29: And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

 

[Iosias]

The dispensation of Law until the New Covenant Dispensation of Grace. No Christian is under the Law of Moses , not even as a so called "rule of life" ... we are under the Law Of Christ .

You do suprise me

 

[cygnusx1]

You do suprise me

 

[Adammi]

Covenant Theology.

 

[DespondentPenguin]

As far as I can so far say, I agree very much with Cygnus on this. I have a very covenantal view of redemptive history, I'm an amillenialist, and I believe that law and grace are antithetical (is antinomian the word?).

EDIT: As a side note, the university I attend is home to Robert Saucy, regularly credited with being the first progressive dispensationalist to use that term, so I take it I'll hear a lot of P.D. teaching in my upper-division theology courses.

 

[JimfromOhio]

I voted: Covenant Theology

 

[myways]

Q: Who is Israel?
A: Israel is that covenanted group of people whose God is Jehovah.

Q: What is the covenant?
A: There are two. First, with the descendants of Abraham through Israel, the covenant of Circumcision.
Second, with the followers of Moses, the covenant of Law. The first is an inheritance, the second is the qualifier to receive it.

Q: In what sense are these covenants manifest?
A: According to the Letter, and according to the Spirit.

That makes separate covenants with:
Literal Mosaic Israel
Cov. status: Fulfilled by Christs life, therefore, over with and done--"nailed to the cross and abolished in His flesh."
Spiritual Mosaic Israel
Cov. status: Fullfilled by Christ's death--His presentation of Himself as the Atonement to the Father in the throneroom of Heaven, therefore, in effect forever "[Insert quote from Hebrews here]"
Spiritual Abramic Israel
Cov. status: Fullfilled by Christ's ascent wherein He sent "the promised inheritance" which is the blessed Holy Spirit--Christ in us.
Literal Abramic Israel
Cov. status: Fulfilled by Christ's return, therefore, in effect untill such time as He returns to "rule with an iron septor."

So with this system of four covenant groups, you cover all the Bible's uses of the word "Israel" with at least one of them . And you get to lift up Christ as the unique fullfillment of each. And, you get you get to trash those retrojudaizing blasphemers who raise the Law and lower Grace to the same status, while at the same time being a mad-dog fanatical Zionist!
Once I get my thoughts collected I'm going to write a publishable work on the subject [though, most likely this will never even get started]

Wow. I really needed to get all that off my chest. What do you guys think of that?

Dave

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

Straight up Covenant theology including paedobaptism.

In Christ,
Kenith