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Covenant {individuals} nation

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by visionary, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. visionary

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    God began His plan to establish the nation of Israel with the call of Abraham and the making of the Abrahamic Covenant. The Abrahamic covenant is the foundation for all subsequent covenants that God made with Israel. Thus the first covenant was with one man, which exponentially grew into a nation as the children of Israel moved from tribe to tribes and ultimately a great nation. But the covenant is only as strong as the participants. God's side of the covenant is eternally strong and faithful. The failure lies with the individuals within the covenant nation.

    Just as Abraham bargained with God for 10 righteous, so it is with the individuals who stand up and can be counted on for righteousness sake. Even in the last days. it is said to be a remnant, a seed, that counts. Even in the counting, there are only 144,000 that are truly representative of the requirement met in the covenant.

    One of God’s goal in making the covenants was for Israel to become a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Exodus 19.5-6). Over and over again, prophets came forward to lead the nations back to God and the righteous walk. They were fulfilling the call, but it wasn't a nation. In the last days, it is said that this remnant meets the criteria God is looking forward to and the Gospel is "again" preached to all nations.

    Here is a quandary... God revealed in the Abrahamic Covenant that Gentile blessing would henceforth be mediated through Israel (Isaiah 42.1, 60.1-3; Zechariah 8.22-23). This blessing assumed the obedience of national Israel. Blessings to Israel would ultimately come through the Messiah and blessing to Gentiles through Israel. But how could Gentiles be blessed in the face of Israel’s disobedience, i.e., rejection of their Messiah? The answer was that they couldn’t. God had no covenantal provision, no plan to bless Gentiles apart from Israel’s national obedience... or did He, through people who remained faithful to Him, who heard the call and responded with "Here I am, send me". Yet how is God going to prepare a people to step outside the traditional theology on this matter, welcome Gentiles, if it wasn't for the teaching of the Holy Spirit?

    Being sovereign and omniscient, God knew Israel would reject the Messiah and so God planned and devised a way to bless Gentiles in spite of Israel’s failure. God call and converted Saul of Tarsus was the kingpin in His execution of this plan. Through Paul, the blessing to the nations (Matthew 23.39; Romans 11.15) still happened. But I do not think that it meets the ultimate goal of God in bringing in the Gentiles without the joining of Jew and Gentile in truth.
     
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  2. visionary

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    God structured His relationship with Israel around covenants. A covenant normally is defined as an agreement or contract between two parties. Scriptures teach these covenants were given to Israel alone (Romans 9.1-5, Ephesians 2.11-12). The Scriptures declare national Israel will exist forever and God will never forsake the nation (Isaiah 14.1; 59.20-21; 61.8-9; Jeremiah 31.35-37; Ezekiel 16.59-63; Hosea 2.16-23). So how do Gentiles fit in? Is the covenant with Israel just for Israel alone and the covenant is based on the blood of the generations of Abraham's blood line blessed? Answer … Gentiles would be blessed by being united to Israel and through abiding by the Abrahamic/Mosaic Covenant (Genesis 12.3).

    Has that changed? Yes and no... While the law remains, the understanding has developed with Yeshua's sacrifice, and the depth of meaning and purpose became clearer. Yet it still has to be "spiritually understood". What I mean by "spiritually understood" is that while the plain writing of the law is simple the application must be regulated to the situation and prayerfully handled. Yeshua gave many example of the "weightier" matters of the law. To be blessed with the insights that are needed to make a righteous judgment in these matters, one needs a close walk with God who know the narrow path that must be taken. One that is based on compassion and love for God and your fellow man, is the first clue of what is right.
     
  3. Tone

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    But each one bears multifold fruit right?
     
  4. visionary

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    A vast multitude from what I gather... no man can number.
     
  5. Tone

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    Do you think that, in some way, Paul got his wish as in:

    Romans 9:3
    "For I have been praying that I myself might be destroyed from The Messiah, for the sake of my brethren and my kinsman, who are in the flesh,"?

    And do you think it is connected with:

    Colossians 1:24
    "And I rejoice in the sufferings that are for your sake and I fill up the want of sufferings of The Messiah in my flesh for the sake of his body, which is the church,"?
     
  6. visionary

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    While this is a side note thought [a rabbit trail] It is interesting. Could you make it a thread of its own? I would like to flesh this out more.
     
  7. ralliann

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    God made two covenants with Abraham. Gen 15 & Gen 17
    Which covenant was the foundation upon which the other was built?
     
  8. visionary

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    Both are covenants that are used to build upon. One is the wedding ring, and the other is the promises and Mount Sinai is the actual covenant vows. Each has their place and value in the relationship.
     
  9. ralliann

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    Which is the wedding ring?
     
  10. visionary

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    circumcision ..
     
  11. pinacled

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    "Blessed are the meek......."
    Amen

    A generation set apart to enter the good land promised.
     
  12. visionary

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    In order to be meek, thou must circumcise the heart.
     
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