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InSpiritInTruth said in post 40:

And of course the Word of God (Christ) was manifest in the fleshy body of Jesus, but we are to know Him no more after the flesh, nor any man for that matter. (because that would be judging by appearances)

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

In 2 Corinthians 5:16, "after the flesh" isn't literal, but a figurative reference to the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 3:2-3, Romans 7:5-6), as opposed to the spiritual ministration of the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-18). For Jesus wasn't resurrected as a disembodied spirit, but in his human, flesh and bones body (Luke 24:39, Hebrews 2:17). That's why his tomb is empty (Matthew 28:6), and why he still has the wounds of the crucifixion on his resurrection body (John 20:25-29). And Luke 24:39 didn't stop being true once Jesus ascended into heaven. For he will remain forever the human mediator/high priest of believers (1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 7:24-26), in human flesh, just like they're in human flesh (Hebrews 2:17). And when he returns, he will still have the wounds of the crucifixion on his resurrection body (Zechariah 13:6, Zechariah 12:10-14).

So, again, in 2 Corinthians 5:16, "after the flesh" isn't literal, but a figurative reference to the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, like in Romans 7:5-6 and:

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2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 3:2-3 means that the works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, especially its physical circumcision (Galatians 6:12-13), are works of the flesh, as opposed to spiritual works of faith (Philippians 3:2-14; 1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6, Titus 3:8). For the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law isn't of faith (Galatians 3:12). Also, compare Romans 7:5-6. Galatians 3:2-3 means that works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, works of the flesh/not faith (Galatians 3:12), can't make believers perfect.

Galatians 3:2-3 isn't (as is sometimes claimed) contradicting the fact that initially saved people must have both faith and continued works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law), if they're to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b). For believers must actually continue to do righteous deeds if they're to continue to be righteous (1 John 3:7, James 2:24,26). And there's no assurance that believers will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).

Galatians 3:2-25 means that all believers, whether Jews or Gentiles, should stop trying to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For Galatians 3:2-25 says that the works of the Old Covenant Mosaic law are works of the flesh instead of the Spirit (Galatians 3:2-3). And Galatians 3:2-25 shows that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who try to do the works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law place themselves under its curse (Galatians 3:10). And Galatians 3:2-25 says that the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was only a temporary schoolmaster which believers, both Jews and Gentiles (so that Paul can say "we"), are no longer under (Galatians 3:24-25, cf. Romans 7:6).
 
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Don't really want to get into a law debate, but the law is also spiritual, and is spiritually discerned. (more to it than meets the eye)

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

It's all in the perception, how one sees and hears it. Which is why Paul asked those who desired to be under the law, and teachers of the law, why they could not hear what the Holy Spirit was saying in it.

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

The carnally minded man could not discern the spiritual symbolism contained in the natural law, which is why they taught for doctrines the commandments of men. (carnally minded)

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

It is much the same with discerning what the Spirit is saying in the rest of scripture, as with the law as well.

Since you brought up the law, let me give you an example of the natural (outward appearance) just being a sign (token)of the true spiritual meaning.

Circumcision was to be token (sign, symbolism) which marked Gods sons for a Covenant between them.

Genesis 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

But the true spiritual meaning of the outward sign represented was the circumcision of the heart. (removing the fleshy covering from the hardened heart= carnally minded)

Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Many of the Jews thought it was the outward mark of circumcision which made them the chosen people of God, but both John the Baptist and Jesus told them differently.

Could it be the the Gentiles have made the same mistake as the Jews in discerning the signs in scripture? Yes, they have. Instead of looking inwardly in themselves for the mark of God, or the mark of the beast, they tell people to judge by appearances and look outwardly.

Jesus said there is nothing on the outside of the man that can defile the man. It is what comes out from the heart that defiles the man.

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Search yourselves people, and look within, and see whose mark is upon your heart.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said in post 42:

Instead of looking inwardly in themselves for the mark of God, or the mark of the beast, they tell people to judge by appearances and look outwardly.

Note that just as Abraham received outward circumcision as a sign of his inward righteousness by conscious faith in YHWH God (Romans 4:11), so the future mark of the beast (if it's willingly received) will serve as an outward sign that someone is a conscious worshipper of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and of his speaking image (Revelation 13:4-18).
 
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Note that just as Abraham received outward circumcision as a sign of his inward righteousness by conscious faith in YHWH God (Romans 4:11), so the future mark of the beast (if it's willingly received) will serve as an outward sign that someone is a conscious worshipper of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and of his speaking image (Revelation 13:4-18).

Well if you, and the majority is right about this outward mark of the beast to come, and this individual man aspect of the man of sin to come; I suppose it will then be obvious for all to literally see (even unbelievers).

But, if I am correct then it won't be obvious for all to literally see, and Satan would have lived up to what the scriptures foretold of him as deceiving the whole world.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Those who have the mind of wisdom will understand, but none of the wicked will understand.

Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
 
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Note that just as Abraham received outward circumcision as a sign of his inward righteousness by conscious faith in YHWH God (Romans 4:11), so the future mark of the beast (if it's willingly received) will serve as an outward sign that someone is a conscious worshipper of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and of his speaking image (Revelation 13:4-18).

Circumcision an outward circumcision as a sign or this sign (circumcision) was of the highest import, being not a mere indication as many signs are, but an actual seal: what the sign signified it attested?

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InSpiritInTruth said in post 44:

Well if you, and the majority is right about this outward mark of the beast to come, and this individual man aspect of the man of sin to come; I suppose it will then be obvious for all to literally see (even unbelievers).

That's right, but it won't be obvious to most people that it's evil, just as it won't be obvious to most people that the religion that will surround it is evil. For during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18), even though the world will worship Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), this won't require that the Antichrist's one-world religion will say that Jesus is evil, or will turn the world against Jesus. For almost the entire world reveres Jesus, at least as being a good man. The Antichrist could confirm this basic world belief, but simply (in his words) "clarify" that while Jesus is indeed a good man, Jesus himself isn't the Christ or the Son of God (1 John 2:22). No doubt the Antichrist will also deny that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, as this, just as believing that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36), is one of the core beliefs of the gospel by which people become saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

So what the Antichrist could do is keep the idea of a good Jesus, but strip it of everything by which Jesus saves people from hell. And this wouldn't require that the Antichrist deny Jesus' 2nd coming. Indeed, the Antichrist and his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) could even try to employ to their own ends the Biblical prophecy of Jesus' 2nd coming, as well as the Muslim prophecy which says that the miracle-working prophet Jesus will return bodily from heaven in the last days to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. For the False Prophet could claim that he is Jesus, returned to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. And he could perform amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof of his claim (cf. John 3:2). This is one reason why it's so important to know when and how the real Jesus' 2nd coming will happen (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21).

Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

The person whom the Antichrist will revile is YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36), whom many people mistakenly think of as being (in their words) "the God of only the Old Testament, that cruel and hateful God who commanded people to commit genocide and kill babies (1 Samuel 15:3), while Jesus came and preached love for everyone (Matthew 5:44)". The truth is that Jesus confirmed that the God of the Old Testament, YHWH (Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Leviticus 19:18), is the same as the God of the New Testament (Mark 12:29-31), and that the Old Testament is true (Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 24:44-48). Jesus died for our sins in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (Isaiah 53; 1 Peter 2:24). And he rose from the dead in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (e.g. Psalms 16:10, Acts 2:31). Jesus died to establish the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28), which YHWH had foretold in the Old Testament (Jeremiah 31:31-34). And Jesus died to bring about the defeat of Satan (Hebrews 2:14), which YHWH had foretold from even the first book of the Old Testament (Genesis 3:15).

Nonetheless, building on many people's misconceptions of YHWH as being (in their words) "the cruel God of the Old Testament", no doubt one of the Antichrist's chief blasphemies against YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36) will be that YHWH is an evil god. This is one of the ancient blasphemies of Gnosticism, another being the antichrist lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The world will be deceived into completely rejecting YHWH and worshipping Satan and the Antichrist instead (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9). Satan may be worshipped not as "Satan", which most everyone sees as a bad name (it means "Adversary"), but as "Lucifer" (Isaiah 14:12), which means "the morning star". The Antichrist could lie and say that it's YHWH who is the true "Satan", the true "Adversary" of mankind.

Because the Antichrist and his False Prophet (possibly masquerading as Jesus) will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and will deny that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and because they will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) instead (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), they could lie and say that (the non-mortal flesh) Lucifer is the Christ, that the new name of Christ (Revelation 3:12c) is "Lucifer Christ". For just as "Lucifer" means "the morning star", so Christ is the morning star (Revelation 22:16b). Also, Christ identified himself with the serpent (John 3:14), and Lucifer is the serpent (Revelation 12:9). Also, Christ said "Ye are gods" (John 10:34), and it was the serpent who said "ye shall be as gods" (Genesis 3:5).

The truth is that Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isaiah 14:12) and became Satan (cf. Luke 10:18). Jesus Christ has taken over the office of morning star (Revelation 22:16). And Jesus Christ identified himself with only the brass serpent on the pole in Numbers 21:8-9 (John 3:14), which typified Jesus Christ's crucifixion for our sins (John 19:16, Matthew 26:28). And in John 10:34, Jesus Christ (John 20:31) was quoting YHWH in Psalms 82:6-7, which shows that even though humans have knowledge of good and evil as gods do (Genesis 3:22), they will still die like humans (Psalms 82:7), contradicting the serpent's lie (Genesis 3:4). Nonetheless, the Antichrist could falsely say that Lucifer is the Christ and the true and beneficent God of mankind, and that the False Prophet is the miracle-working prophet Jesus (cf. John 3:2, Acts 3:22-24), returned to point the world to the true Christ/God. The Antichrist could falsely say that he (the Antichrist) is the human/divine "Son" of Lucifer, who must be worshipped as God along with Lucifer (Revelation 13:4,8). This would be similar to how Biblical Christians now rightly worship the human/divine Jesus Christ (John 1:1,14) as God (the Son) along with God the Father (John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8).

Near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) in an attempt to fight and defeat YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon, the armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before the real Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:20 to 20:3).
 
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OK. back to comparing spiritual things, with spiritual.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:


Like Father, like Son... Jesus came in the name of the heavenly Father, and Jesus being the very Son of God is also the express image of God, whom also God has sealed, as Jesus Christ is also seated on the right hand of God.

But there is also another father, which is the Prince of this world, or the Devil.

It is his name, image, and mark that is upon the hearts and minds of the firstborn fallen nature working in his sons. (sons of belial= sons of that wicked)

Jesus confirms this message here in John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."


When you begin to compare God the Fathers spiritual mark with the mark of the father of this world, then perhaps you'll begin to see the mark is not a literal outward mark on the body, but rather a spiritual inward mark upon the heart and mind.


For it is the spirit working in the man that dictates his thoughts (in the forehead) and works (in the hand).

God said He would write His words upon our hearts and minds, as He also gave us a sign (mark) of this very thing in Deut.

Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

The word "mark" in Hebrew means "sign, or token" But the sign is only a symbolism of the true meaning of being marked in your heart.

Here is another example of this in the Lords 144,000, who are sealed by God.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

This is the sign of the name of God, and the new name given...

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Just as we are to conform to the image of Gods Son...

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

But as Rev. 3:12 stated, we must overcome, and get victory over the natural brute beast image, name, mark, number....

Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Hopefully by comparing Gods mark, name, image in scripture, you will get a better understanding of these spiritual things...because Gods Word is spiritually discerned.:thumbsup:
 
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OK. back to comparing spiritual things, with spiritual.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:


Like Father, like Son... Jesus came in the name of the heavenly Father, and Jesus being the very Son of God is also the express image of God, whom also God has sealed, as Jesus Christ is also seated on the right hand of God.

But there is also another father, which is the Prince of this world, or the Devil.

It is his name, image, and mark that is upon the hearts and minds of the firstborn fallen nature working in his sons. (sons of belial= sons of that wicked)

Jesus confirms this message here in John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."


When you begin to compare God the Fathers spiritual mark with the mark of the father of this world, then perhaps you'll begin to see the mark is not a literal outward mark on the body, but rather a spiritual inward mark upon the heart and mind.


For it is the spirit working in the man that dictates his thoughts (in the forehead) and works (in the hand).

God said He would write His words upon our hearts and minds, as He also gave us a sign (mark) of this very thing in Deut.

Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

The word "mark" in Hebrew means "sign, or token" But the sign is only a symbolism of the true meaning of being marked in your heart.

Here is another example of this in the Lords 144,000, who are sealed by God.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

This is the sign of the name of God, and the new name given...

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Just as we are to conform to the image of Gods Son...

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

But as Rev. 3:12 stated, we must overcome, and get victory over the natural brute beast image, name, mark, number....

Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Hopefully by comparing Gods mark, name, image in scripture, you will get a better understanding of these spiritual things...because Gods Word is spiritually discerned.:thumbsup:

:thumbsup: Probably the only time we'll ever agree to agree regarding the essentials, ie, Rev. contains the essentials.

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InSpiritInTruth said in post 47:

Like Father, like Son... Jesus came in the name of the heavenly Father, and Jesus being the very Son of God is also the express image of God, whom also God has sealed, as Jesus Christ is also seated on the right hand of God.

But there is also another father, which is the Prince of this world, or the Devil.

It is his name, image, and mark that is upon the hearts and minds of the firstborn fallen nature working in his sons. (sons of belial= sons of that wicked)

Regarding the "image of the beast" (Revelation 13:15), just as the image of God is the physical Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:15, Luke 24:39), so the image of the beast could be a physical (possibly an android) image of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) which the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 13:11-16, Revelation 19:20) could cause to be made after the Antichrist receives a terrible head wound (Revelation 13:3,14b). For this injury could leave the Antichrist's facial and bodily appearance permanently marred, and could render him unable to speak clearly, like someone after a bad stroke, so that the Antichrist won't want to appear or speak in public again.

Did you ever see that movie "Dave"? It had a President who was in a coma, so his handlers found a regular guy who looked exactly like the President, and had him be a public stand-in for the President. He was able to speak just like the President did. It could be like that with the Antichrist's image. It could be the Antichrist's "Dave", his double, that appears and speaks (Revelation 13:15) before the world instead of his wounded self. But instead of letting people think that the Antichrist's android image is the Antichrist himself, the False Prophet could tell people from the beginning that the image isn't the Antichrist himself, but still fully represents him.

In Revelation 13:15, the original Greek word translated as "life" or "breath" (pneuma, G4151) can mean "spirit" in the sense of consciousness (1 Corinthians 2:11a, Luke 1:47), so that the android could appear to have a spirit, to have consciousness. The way this could be achieved would be through the android having wireless connections to huge banks of supercomputers running advanced artificial intelligence software. The False Prophet could claim that the Antichrist's consciousness dwells within the android by means of neural networks imprinted with the Antichrist's brain patterns. But this could be a lie, in that the android won't actually have the Antichrist's consciousness, or any true consciousness, but will only appear to have consciousness, by its being able to pass even the most stringent Turing Test. This is a test whereby one speaks with a computer and can't tell whether it has consciousness or not, because all of its answers are the same as if it had consciousness.

But the android's "consciousness" could appear far more advanced than any human's, for it could have access to huge databases containing every fact known to man, so that the android will appear to be omniscient. In this way, it could convince the world that it's not just a machine, but a material incarnation, a machine avatar, of the true God, a literal "deus ex machina", a literal "God from a machine". And this machine "God" could boast not only of his mental powers, but also of his physical powers: he could be extremely strong. And he could boast of the "immortality" of his machine body, which could be made of titanium, covered with some practically-everlasting flesh-like silicone. People could just be completely awestruck by his (what they could call) "omniscient wisdom, his strength, his indestructibility". They could consider him more than worthy of worship by (in their words) "mere humanity, which is so mentally and physically limited, made out of mere flesh and blood, which is so weak and so mortal". The world will actually worship the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15), just as it will actually worship Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9).

The Antichrist's image could be placed standing in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, so that the image will become the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31). And in order to make it easy for everyone in the world to be able to see the image and worship it (Revelation 13:15), it could appear on every smartphone, television, computer, GPS navigation system, and electronic billboard at set times each day. And to make it possible for everyone to interact with it personally, it could appear as a computer generated image on each individual's smartphone, speaking in and understanding each individual's language, conversing with each individual with personalized messages and responses devised by supercomputers running artificial intelligence and language software.

And it could discuss with them even the most intimate details of their lives, for it could have access to huge databases compiled by the Antichrist's worldwide intelligence, law enforcement, economic, and health agencies, databases containing all the facts about everyone: who their family and friends are, where they live and work, who their neighbors and coworkers are, how much they make, what cars and properties they own and use, where they go, where they shop, what they buy, where they eat out, what shows and videos they watch, what they read, what they say, what they post on the internet, what their health problems are, etc., so that the Antichrist's image could seem to know everything about everyone.

And the worship of the image could be connected with a daily surveillance and subjugation of everyone. For the image's supercomputers could make his image automatically appear on everyone's smartphone at set times every day to be worshipped. And smartphones contain GPS chips which can be secretly pinged in order to determine the exact location of the smartphones. So when the image appears on everyone's smartphone, the image's supercomputers could ping the GPS chip of everyone's smartphone and know exactly where everyone is.

Also, smartphones contain cameras and microphones, which can be remotely opened secretly in order to see and hear what's going on around the smartphones. So when the image appears on everyone's smartphone, the image's supercomputers could open the cameras and microphones of everyone's smartphone to determine what everyone is doing and saying, and the image could then demand that the individuals worship him as God, saying some set prayer of praise and adoration. And if any individual refuses, the image's supercomputers could detect that individual's noncompliance, and notify the nearest police officers of that individual's exact location, and order the officers to arrest that individual for blasphemy and treason. The offending individual could then be given a chance to be "reformed" (i.e. in a brainwashing camp, or through physical torture, if necessary), but if he proves recalcitrant, he will be executed (Revelation 13:15) by being beheaded (Revelation 20:4).

The beheading process itself could be made into a televised and webcasted spectacle, to serve not only as a dire warning to anyone thinking of refusing to worship the image, but also to serve as an amazingly-horrific entertainment for the masses, like how the ancient Romans made it an entertainment for the masses to gather them into the Colosseum in Rome and let them watch Christians being thrown to lions and devoured alive.

Huge beheading structures could be built, by which twenty "traitors" could be beheaded at one time by one fall of one blade. The "traitors" could be bound in a row along an upright "U"-shaped device with a track for a large guillotine blade, which could start out in a resting position at the top of one side. The blade could be so massive and so sharp, that when it's released, it will easily slice down through 10 necks on one side of the "U" and continue on by its own momentum up the other side of the "U", shearing off another 10 heads. This all could happen so quickly that it will appear as if all 20 heads are struck off almost in unison, followed immediately by 20 geysers of blood rushing out in unison for all the Antichrist's "faithful" to gawk at and cheer over in the comfort of their own homes before their televisions and computers.

Also, immediately after the show is over, at the site where it took place, teams of surgeons could rush in to "harvest" all the fresh organs and other body parts from the beheaded bodies to be used for transplants (beheading being the best way for a body to die if you want to harvest its parts). What's left of the bodies could then be stuffed into shipping containers, which, once full, could be stacked like stones into a gigantic "Pyramid of Death", which could eventually reach some 30 stories high and contain millions of bodies. A huge plaque could be erected in front of the Pyramid that will read: "This is a monument to the shame of YHWH, who created everything to die". (Of course, the truth is that he didn't, for Adam and Eve were created immortal; it wasn't until they sinned that they became mortal: Genesis 2:17. And YHWH will restore immortality to saved humans through Jesus Christ: Romans 6:23. Also, any such plaque would be hypocritical, for it will be the Antichrist who will have murdered the people entombed in the Pyramid, not YHWH. And so it will actually be a monument to how those who hate YHWH and his wisdom, love death: Proverbs 8:36b.)

Regarding the worship of the Antichrist's image, to help foster a group dynamic, every neighborhood and village in the world could be helped to create a group worship center in which everyone in that neighborhood or village will have to gather together at a set time each evening to bow down and prostrate himself or herself before a life-size, lifelike image of the Antichrist, which could be a computer-generated, animated, holographic or widescreen 3D HDTV image of him clothed in beautiful golden robes and standing majestically before them (or sitting on a magnificent golden throne), and speaking computer-generated customized messages to them as a group.

This worship could be accompanied by the most beautiful symphonic music (cf. Daniel 3:5), or whatever is the most beautiful music to the local people, to help them (in the words of the Antichrist's propaganda machine) "be uplifted into the true spirit of praise and worship of our gracious Lord and Master. Praised be His Majestic Name forever and ever!", etc. And what with the wonderful music, and all their fellow worshippers around them, and customized messages of encouragement spoken in a deep, soothing voice by a life-size, holographic or 3D HDTV image of the Antichrist, to certain members of each "worship group", it could be that some people in each group will start to really get into the evening worship sessions, and even begin to (in their words) "truly feel the Living Presence of our loving God among us, loving us so tenderly, so personally! Oh, how I love Him! He is So Great!"

But the world's worship of the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15), no matter how blissful it may become for some people, and the world's worship of the Antichrist and Lucifer (Satan) the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), will last for less than 4 years (Revelation 13:5, Daniel 12:11-12) before Jesus Christ returns from heaven and completely defeats the Antichrist and Lucifer (Revelation 19:20 to 20:3), and Jesus then sets up his own, 1,000-year physical kingdom on the earth with the bodily resurrected church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).

InSpiritInTruth said in post 47:

When you begin to compare God the Fathers spiritual mark with the mark of the father of this world, then perhaps you'll begin to see the mark is not a literal outward mark on the body, but rather a spiritual inward mark upon the heart and mind.

For it is the spirit working in the man that dictates his thoughts (in the forehead) and works (in the hand).

God said He would write His words upon our hearts and minds, as He also gave us a sign (mark) of this very thing in Deut.

Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

Note that Deuteronomy 11:18 (like Deuteronomy 6:8 and Exodus 13:9,16) doesn't contradict the fact that the mark of the beast (Revelation 13:16) could be a literal, visible mark, applied via scarification. Similarly, Exodus 13:9 doesn't contradict the fact that the forbidden "cuttings" in Leviticus 19:28 and Leviticus 21:5b could have been literal, visible marks, applied via scarification. And the "cuttings" on the hands in Jeremiah 48:37 could have referred to scarification marks. And the marks of the Lord Jesus on Paul's body (Galatians 6:17) were literal, visible marks (i.e. scars from persecution). And the future mark of God's name on obedient believers (Revelation 22:4, Revelation 3:12) could be a literal, visible mark (miraculously "written" on them).

Similarly, the mark of God in Ezekiel 9:4 could have been a literal mark visible to humans, like the mark of God in Genesis 4:15 was visible to humans. Similarly, the future mark (or seal) of God in Revelation 7:3 will be visible to humans, for it will be visible to the physical locust-like beings (Revelation 9:4), and it was visible to John the apostle (Revelation 14:1). Also, the marks (in this case persecution scars) of the Lord Jesus on Paul's body in Galatians 6:17 were visible to humans. So the Antichrist's future mark (probably a scar purposely applied by scarification) of the Antichrist's name or a representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:16-18) will be visible to humans, so they can easily tell in every situation, even one without electricity, whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17).
 
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The language used to describe God's mark/seal is also used to describe the mark of the beast.

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Now here is confirmation of how God seals and marks his elect....

2 Corinthians 1:22
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

If your not sealed with Gods Holy Spirit in your forehead, then you already have the mark of the beast. (spirit of this world)

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

The mark is spiritual people wake up!
 
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The language used to describe God's mark/seal is also used to describe the mark of the beast.

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Now here is confirmation of how God seals and marks his elect....

2 Corinthians 1:22
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

If your not sealed with Gods Holy Spirit in your forehead, then you already have the mark of the beast. (spirit of this world)

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

The mark is spiritual people wake up!

:thumbsup: Only when one meets the actual Truth of the Word, eg, IIThess.2:10b, will the mark of the beast spiritually appear on one's forehead and hand thus hopefully no one has the Truth here, ie, I don't for sure, ie, if one has the lack of the agape of the Truth.

Truthful Jack that is waking up
 
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The color red describes what type of beast it is, with sin being red, also having names of blasphemy.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Here's the red mark of the beast....

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The Lamb of God came to take away the sins of the world, and destroy the works of the devil by giving us the power to put to death that firstborn fallen sin nature working in all of mankind.

But man, with the help of the Devil is resurrecting back to life that image by embracing and worshiping that first beastly image (likeness) found in the firstborn man of sin, who is of that Wicked spirit. (the Devil)
 
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Do you agree that the name of the beast has to be linked to a type of beast/man?
I have tried using - cockatrice - because Nebuchadnezzar came as that against Judah.
I have tired using the word brute, because that links right to the act of blasphemy in 2 Peter.
I have tried using adder or poisonous serpent - fiery flying serpent.

I don't how the number 666 would link smoothly to any of these.

I have also tried having 7 Herods and Antiochus.

The name has to do with the spiritual nature (sin nature) working in the firstborn man after sin entered into man. (Adam)

Mankind then took on the inward image of their father the devil (spiritually speaking)

I gave the keys words in my opening post which add up to the number 666 to confirm the message.:thumbsup:
 
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I have thought of the part as to scarlet - being linked to Babylonian kings wore scarlet in the days of Daniel, and the last king (so far of them) fell after he had praised many fake gods. I find it interesting that John didn't seem to link this part up with the blasphemy told of in Rev. 13 as to the name of the beast.

Rev. `13 - the name of blasphemy

Rev. 17 - names of blasphemy
After saying this - John did not do like he did in Rev. 13 - tell us that he again saw the beast. beast which I saw

Again, the mark of the beast is red, which is also scarlet, which is the sin nature working in the firstborn man.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
 
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