Could this generation of creationists be the last?

[Cabal]

Right -- like scientists who [clear throat] actually know what they're talking about, are going to peer-review themselves into concluding evolution is a religious doctrine.

Got anything other than paranoia to back this up? Anyway, I think you'll find that jpc made the original statement that claimed that a lack of debate among scientists would be evidence that evolution was scientific, which is just plain daft, so take his bad logic up with him.

Like I said, when not actively worshipping Christ makes us Christian in your eyes, not actively worshipping nature will make evolution a religion.

Apply the same standard to your stance; until then, this is just hot air.

 

[mathclub]

real science doesn't....it lines up perfectly. And there are more than a few real scientist who are not comfortable with evolution...so the world of science does not completely agree with evolution.

When science goes beyond the boundaries of observation then it is no longer science. It is theory at best...and I am being nice.

lol, and how do we know what is 'real science' and who is a 'real scientist'? Let me guess, you come in with a mindset that the bible is right and look for scientists whose opinions agree with yours, even if they have no evidence for their claims and it flies in the face of all the evidence generally accpeted by most scientists. please tell me who these 'real scientists' are, I would love some names.

science does not line up perfectly, it disagrees with almost everything that religion claims and you are being dishonest to claim otherwise.

 

[jpcedotal]

no, it is not a false religion. a false religion is still a type of religion, and evolution is not any type of religion.

a religion generally has supernatural beings and/or events, rituals, holy books, morals codes and much more.

evolution is a scientific theory that explains the diversity of life on our planet.

they have nothing to do with each other, you are blatantly wrong.

evolution is a belief and to believe in it takes a very strong faith. IF it only took fact, then we would not be having this debate today on such a big scale. Sure if evolution was proven without a doubt, like gravity, then there would still be a crazy few who would argue...but that aint what is happening. This debate is legit because the issue is not resolved...nor will it ever be resolved by human means.

So, we can sit here all day, all year, all decade, all the rest of measured time and argue but nothing will ever be resolved...because evolution is nothing more than a idol worship, and God will "prove" His existence in His own time.

 

[AV1611VET]

Like I said, when not actively worshipping Christ makes us Christian in your eyes, not actively worshipping nature will make evolution a religion.

Keyword: actively?

Once again, evolution is a doctrine -- and one that Jesus says He hates.

Atheism is a religion, evolution is a doctrine.

 

[jpcedotal]

lol, and how do we know what is 'real science' and who is a 'real scientist'? Let me guess, you come in with a mindset that the bible is right and look for scientists whose opinions agree with yours, even if they have no evidence for their claims and it flies in the face of all the evidence generally accpeted by most scientists. please tell me who these 'real scientists' are, I would love some names.

science does not line up perfectly, it disagrees with almost everything that religion claims and you are being dishonest to claim otherwise.

Or enlightened...hey, we aint gotta agree. This issue doesn't make or break my faith. All proven science, lines up exactly with the Bible. IF you wanna believe in evolution, fine. I am more concerned with your belief in Christ than about about the dinosaurs.

 

[mathclub]

Paul calls prescient evolution a philosophy; and later, in the book of Revelation, Jesus calls it 'doctrine'.

And for the record, the Bible has a built-in dictionary.

first of all jesus or paul or any mythical biblical figure don't define what words mean. i don't care if they supposedly called it chocolate covered cupcakes sprinkled with fairy dust, that doesn't make it true.

Secondly, I don't know how anyone from the bible can be commenting on evolution centuries before the theory even existed.

and lastly, well it's either the worst dictionary ever or christians don't read the bible enough because the regularity with which christians misuse basic words on this site is mind bottling.

 

[AV1611VET]

science does not line up perfectly, it disagrees with almost everything that religion claims and you are being dishonest to claim otherwise.

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[Cabal]

Keyword: actively?

Yup - seeing as scientists don't actually get down on their knees and pray and worship nature the way you do your deity, the comparison is moot.

Once again, evolution is a doctrine -- and one that Jesus says He hates.

Atheism is a religion, evolution is a doctrine.

Repeat your personal interpretations all you want, you're still wrong.

 

[VehementiDominus]

Once again, evolution is a doctrine -- and one that Jesus says He hates.

Then by that token, so is relativity.

Atheism is a religion, evolution is a doctrine.

Atheism is THE LACK IN THE BELIEF OF A DIETY. It's not a religion.

Cambridge Dictionary: The belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such system of belief and worship.

That does not pertain to evolution or atheism.

 

[jpcedotal]

IF for argument's sake, evolution was factually shown to be false, would that affect your belief in atheism? Would that turn you toward Christ to AT LEAST check out what HE is all about or not?

 

[mathclub]

evolution is a belief and to believe in it takes a very strong faith. IF it only took fact, then we would not be having this debate today on such a big scale. Sure if evolution was proven without a doubt, like gravity, then there would still be a crazy few who would argue...but that aint what is happening. This debate is legit because the issue is not resolved...nor will it ever be resolved by human means.

So, we can sit here all day, all year, all decade, all the rest of measured time and argue but nothing will ever be resolved...because evolution is nothing more than a idol worship, and God will "prove" His existence in His own time.

really?

Faith is belief without evidence, and you do not need faith to believe in evolution or science, because the evidence is there. if the evidence is not there it is not science. and for the record, gravity is not proven without a doubt. Our current model of what gravity is and how it functions works fine until you get down to the quantam level (the very small) then our current understanding totally breaks down.

The reason we are having the debate is not because of a lack of facts or evidence, it's people who function without needing evidence. It's not that the evidence doesn't exist or we are unsure, it's that people from a christian background refuse to accept it because it clashes with their faith. it is not a scientific debate or an issue within the scientific community. it's a christian issue because the science proves their bible wrong.

you are right that nothing will be solved while people who can believe things without evidence, and in fact in the face of significant evidence, still exist in large numbers.

that however, is not any sort of proof that there is any truth in the worldview that they have.

 

[AV1611VET]

first of all jesus or paul or any mythical biblical figure don't define what words mean.

-- them doant???

Whu, ill bet yu awl uze an dickshunery tu substainsheate yoar werds, dont yu gis?

and lastly, well it's either the worst dictionary ever or christians don't read the bible enough because the regularity with which christians misuse basic words on this site is mind bottling.

Aint chu ment 'mind boggling' instead uh 'mind bottling'?

an is yu conso?

 

[Cabal]

IF for argument's sake, evolution was factually shown to be false, would that affect your belief in atheism? Would that turn you toward Christ to AT LEAST check out what HE is all about or not?

No, because you're not the only alternative on offer, and for most atheists evolution is only a minute part of why they are atheists.

And you're assuming we haven't checked out Christianity either.

I checked it out for the best part of 20 years and left after realising it was a crock.

 

[Cabal]

-- them doant???

Whu, ill bet yu awl uze an dickshunery tu substainsheate yoar werds, dont yu gis?

Firstly, grow up.

Secondly, yes - we use a dictionary. Not your personal, prejudiced interpretations of the Bible. Well done.

Want to state the obvious some more, or are you done making a clown of yourself?

 

[VehementiDominus]

IF for argument's sake, evolution was factually shown to be false, would that affect your belief in atheism? Would that turn you toward Christ to AT LEAST check out what HE is all about or not?

No.

If evolution were falsified beyond reasonable doubt then that still wouldn't mean Goddidit. I've heared just about every argument Creationists have to offer, what little evidence they do produce is easily explained away through natural means. Unless God can be proven beyond reasonable doubt to exist - as evolution has been - then I still have to reason to believe that Goddidit.

"Affect your belief in atheism?" makes no sense.

"Will that affect your belief in not believing in a god?"

 

[AV1611VET]

Yup - seeing as scientists don't actually get down on my knees and pray and worship nature the way you do your deity, the comparison is moot.

I am not touching this sentence with a ten-foot pole; except maybe to report you.

 

[mathclub]

IF for argument's sake, evolution was factually shown to be false, would that affect your belief in atheism? Would that turn you toward Christ to AT LEAST check out what HE is all about or not?

No, because evolution and atheism are two totally different things. evolution being wrong does not mean that your christian god is right. I hope you can see the difference.

Regardless, my atheism has nothing to do with my views on evolution. They are two unrelated facts that have nothing to do with each other. Evolution could be proven wrong tomorrow and I would still not believe in god.

 

[Cabal]

I am not touching this sentence with a ten-foot pole; except maybe to report you.

What's your problem with it? Pointing out your guff is report-worthy now?

 

[AV1611VET]

Cambridge Dictionary: The belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such system of belief and worship.

The Cambridge Dictionary can take a hike.

I'll use the KJV dictionary, thank you.

 

[VehementiDominus]

-- them doant???

Whu, ill bet yu awl uze an dickshunery tu substainsheate yoar werds, dont yu gis?

We do use a dictionary - because words are important, they have meanings that equate to the use of a language. Dictionaries are a list of these words and the meanings they hold.

Adding new meanings to those words, or subtracting meanings only goes to show one of two things. You're either being intellectually dishonest or you never quite grasped the use of the English language.

Words mean things to make communication work properly.