Could this be the final disproving of a higher being?

[JIMINZ]

So everyone in paradise or something will be closer to asexual?

What does being asexual have to do with the subject you began with?

 

[Pulchra]

You making an assumption that if God helped it wouldn't look natural, do you have any evidence to back up this assumption.

Well, our body is controlled by ourself, our mind, even when we lose weight, it`s after how we do it ourself, so if someone else did it for us, it would look different

 

[Sketcher]

Let`s say you`re very overweight, like obese, and you come to heaven among other people and you perhaps know yourself you will never be happy being overweight in paradise and you say god can fix everything if you pray and so forth, but let`s he actually fixes your overweight, it would be him doing it and not you and the problem then, is that how do he calculate the exact amount of bodyfat to have, ether way you choose a certain fat percentage you wouldn`t be accurate in the way natural dieting and so forth, would be, so then you might say that god makes you motivated to lose weight in heaven because of the beutiful surroundings, but the problem i have with this latter, is that you also say that god makes this life on this planet a paradise if you just follow him and so forth, exactly, the problem with it is that you say life here will be just as good as in heaven if you just follow him and pray and so forth, there wouldn`t be a difference in heaven and on this planet, so here on this planet you wouldn`t perhaps diet to lose the weight, but you would in heaven, that makes no sense since you claim life here is just as good for the non-sinner, what do you think of it?

The Bible does not teach that God makes life on this planet a paradise if you follow him. It teaches that life will generally be harder for believers, at least until the return of Christ.

The Bible does not teach that life on Earth will be just as good as life in Heaven either.

And none of what you spoke of even touches on whether or not God exists, or what his nature is, or his position or his power.

 

[Pulchra]

The Bible does not teach that God makes life on this planet a paradise if you follow him. It teaches that life will generally be harder for believers, at least until the return of Christ.

The Bible does not teach that life on Earth will be just as good as life in Heaven either.

And none of what you spoke of even touches on whether or not God exists, or what his nature is, or his position or his power.

Actually, there you just disproved god, because if he`s so almight, why do believers suffers too and people who never sin like mysef, you sort of admit he can`t do anything with it even when he`s able to alter you mind, like you guys claim, and I disagree with paradise not being on earth also because I like nature myself and want to stay here

 

[Sketcher]

Actually, there you just disproved god, because if he`s so almight, why do believers suffers too

The fact that believers suffer has no bearing on whether or not he exists. He doesn't owe us a not-suffering existence. Besides, if Jesus who was perfect was crucified, and we believe he was, then no one is exempt from suffering. He triumphed over it by rising from the grave. The essense of the Christian narrative is that there is suffering in this world, but God is at work and he is greater.

and people who never sin like mysef

No, you sin, you just don't admit it. No one is sinless.

you sort of admit he can`t do anything with it even when he`s able to alter you mind, like you guys claim

I never said anything of the sort.

and I disagree with paradise not being on earth also because I like nature myself and want to stay here

Well, that's your belief, but it's not what Christianity teaches, and it has no bearing on whether or not the Christian God exists.

 

[Pulchra]

The fact that believers suffer has no bearing on whether or not he exists. He doesn't owe us a not-suffering existence. Besides, if Jesus who was perfect was crucified, and we believe he was, then no one is exempt from suffering. He triumphed over it by rising from the grave. The essense of the Christian narrative is that there is suffering in this world, but God is at work and he is greater.

No, you sin, you just don't admit it. No one is sinless.

I never said anything of the sort.

Well, that's your belief, but it's not what Christianity teaches, and it has no bearing on whether or not the Christian God exists.

I get a little confused really I have to admit, you guys say different things, but I`m still learning so, yes good point, jesus was crusified even though he meant no harm perhaps

 

[Lukaris]

God became man in all aspects of our existence overcoming what kills us by nature ( diseases, famines etc.), by our self destructions ( wars etc.), & just death itself ( Romans 5:12-14).

On the Cross, the Lord declared His work was done ( John 19:30). He imparted His love & instruction to humanity via His earthly mother & beloved disciple ( John 19:25-27 ). Seeing that His earthly life was fulfilled, the Lord declared it ( see: John 19:28-30 ).

We have to live & die in our existence; there are times of joy & times of suffering ( Ecclesiastes 3 ). The Lord says tribulations remain in this world but to trust in Him ( John 16:33). Who can dispute the way He tells us to live our lives ( Matthew 19:16-19, Romans 13:8-10 ) in spite of the tensions of living?

We have to see the “big picture” to hope for something better in everlasting life. This is not pleasant or easy. See Matthew 24 which pretty much covers the tension of life. See Matthew 25 which tells us what we need to know & do in living life & the eventual judgment.

As things stand, again see ( John 16:33 ) & read Romans 8:18-30 & then all of Romans 8.

Whether you are serious or not, I have no idea but just sayin’.

The Nicene Creed is the most common expression of Christianity:

Statement of Faith: Nicene Creed – St. George Orthodox Church

 

[Kessa]

I should hope people in paradise will have better things to do than worry about their body fat percentages!

 

[Pulchra]

I should hope people in paradise will have better things to do than worry about their body fat percentages!

Yes, but you see, people would care about how you look guess, maybe god wouldnt, but people would

 

[coffee4u]

Let`s say you`re very overweight, like obese, and you come to heaven among other people and you perhaps know yourself you will never be happy being overweight in paradise and you say god can fix everything if you pray and so forth, but let`s he actually fixes your overweight, it would be him doing it and not you and the problem then, is that how do he calculate the exact amount of bodyfat to have, ether way you choose a certain fat percentage you wouldn`t be accurate in the way natural dieting and so forth, would be, so then you might say that god makes you motivated to lose weight in heaven because of the beutiful surroundings, but the problem i have with this latter, is that you also say that god makes this life on this planet a paradise if you just follow him and so forth, exactly, the problem with it is that you say life here will be just as good as in heaven if you just follow him and pray and so forth, there wouldn`t be a difference in heaven and on this planet, so here on this planet you wouldn`t perhaps diet to lose the weight, but you would in heaven, that makes no sense since you claim life here is just as good for the non-sinner, what do you think of it?

If you are in heaven then you have already died and have shed your earthly body. The real you is the spirit and soul, the body is just the container the holds them, and that went back to dirt.

 

[Pulchra]

If you are in heaven then you have already died and have shed your earthly body. The real you is the spirit and soul, the body is just the container the holds them, and that went back to dirt.

Yes, but let`s say you didn`t lose the weight when you were on this earth with the help of god`s greatness, wouldn`t the lack of character show in heaven in your personality, there should be no difference between here and heaven since you have accepted god and jesus and have their greatness in life..

 

[coffee4u]

Yes, but let`s say you didn`t lose the weight when you were on this earth with the help of god`s greatness, wouldn`t the lack of character show in heaven in your personality, there should be no difference between here and heaven since you have accepted god and jesus and have their greatness in life..

In life your body could be fat, waisted away, malformed or it could even have been blown to bits in a bomb, you don't take it with you to heaven. You will have a new spiritual body free of all of that. The body that held your spirit or soul is either placed in the ground or cremated and as the Bible says "From dust you were made and to dust you return"

1 Corinthians 15:40-50
40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendour of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendour of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendour.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

As to the personality, in heaven it will still be you, but with a perfected personality.
Hebrews 12:23
23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,

Revelation 21:4
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.

 

[Pulchra]

In life your body could be fat, waisted away, malformed or it could even have been blown to bits in a bomb, you don't take it with you to heaven. You will have a new spiritual body free of all of that. The body that held your spirit or soul is either placed in the ground or cremated and as the Bible says "From dust you were made and to dust you return"

1 Corinthians 15:40-50
40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendour of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendour of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendour.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

As to the personality, in heaven it will still be you, but with a perfected personality.
Hebrews 12:23
23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,

Revelation 21:4
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.

Mhm

 

[topher694]

Yes, but let`s say you didn`t lose the weight when you were on this earth with the help of god`s greatness, wouldn`t the lack of character show in heaven in your personality, there should be no difference between here and heaven since you have accepted god and jesus and have their greatness in life..

It appears you have an idol in your life that you are obsessing over and projecting onto God.

 

[Pulchra]

It appears you have an idol in your life that you are obsessing over and projecting onto God.

Perhaps, but atleasts I disproved god

 

[mmksparbud]

Okay, I can try, if a god helped a overweight person with his or her weight, it wouldn`t look natural because he has to just decide what bodyfat percentage to have, right, and if the overweight person is motivated to lose weight in heaven, why isn`t he motivated to do it here then perhaps, isn`t god enough to motivate in his or her life on this planet also then, if not, he isn`t big or great enough in this life, be he is in heaven? Ask again if you`re confused

Seriously? You are talking about the God that created us out of the dust of the ground and formed us to begin with. What you say makes no sense whatsoever. When we are resurrected we will be resurrected with perfect bodies---no such thing as it won't look natural!! And, BTW, we will be in heaven for only 1000 years, then the earth is remade, we will be living on this remade earth for the rest of eternity.

 

[topher694]

Perhaps, but atleasts I disproved god

You did nothing of the sort. You only proved some things about yourself.

 

[coffee4u]

Perhaps, but at least I disproved god

 

[Pulchra]

heheh