Could there actually be two major Jerusalem third temples in the future?

DennisTate · Jul 24, 2018

Could the Ezekiel chapter 40 - 48 temple complex be separate from what the Orthodox Jews wish to build on the Temple Mount Complex?

This is an entirely new subject to me that I only began to consider after reading the following website:

https://galgal.dreamwidth.org/5507.html

DennisTate · Jul 24, 2018

So far.... I personally went with
"I am not sure but this is an interesting possibility, " because this is a new idea that I have only began to think about for a couple of months.

A brilliant scholar is postulating that the Ezekiel 40 - 48 complex could be centered in a national park well outside of Jerusalem.

Obviously...... this possibility has huge implications.

https://galgal.dreamwidth.org/29766.html

chunkofcoal · Jul 24, 2018

If the temple isn't built on the temple mount then wouldn't it just be a church/synagogue?

dqhall · Jul 24, 2018

DennisTate said:
Could the Ezekiel chapter 40 - 48 temple complex be separate from what the Orthodox Jews wish to build on the Temple Mount Complex?

This is an entirely new subject to me that I only began to consider after reading the following website:

https://galgal.dreamwidth.org/5507.html

There have already been three temples: Solomon's Temple, Nehemiah's Temple and Herod's much larger temple. http://bibleq.net/answer/5467/

As far as I know no one has been issued a building permit to build a Jewish national temple. They met in synagogues.

HTacianas · Jul 24, 2018

There is no reason to believe that there will ever be a third temple.

visionary · Jul 24, 2018

HTacianas said:
There is no reason to believe that there will ever be a third temple.

If so, then what temple is this prophecy about?
2 Thessalonians 2:4
He is the opponent of every so-called god or object of worship and promotes himself over them. So he sits in God’s temple, displaying himself to show that he is God.

tampasteve · Jul 25, 2018

Officially there have only been the two Temples in Jerusalem. However, we know that there was a Jewish temple in Elephantine through around the middle of the 4th century BCE (so older than the others and not likely worth mentioning as there were other old sacrificial places mentioned in the Bible). Of course the temples at Tel-Dan and Bethel also existed for other reasons. Then there is also the Samaritan Temple at Mount Gerizim.

More interestingly (to me) there was a Jewish temple at Leontopolis (temple of Onias) in Egypt that functioned to about 73 AD, meaning it lasted a few years after the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed. Josephus mentiones it and we have found the remains/ruins in the town. This temple also had sacrifices and temple services:LINK

The Egyptian Jews sacrificed frequently in the temple of Leontopolis, although at the same time they fulfilled their duty toward the Temple at Jerusalem, as Philo narrates that he himself did. The Temple at Leontopolis never gained the popularity of that of Jerusalem; while the Alexandrine Jews might like having a subordinate temple close to home, support for the Temple of Onias never was seen to replace the need to send tithes and pilgrims to Jerusalem. Indeed, the Leontopolist temple site seems never to have achieved even the importance of the synagogue in Alexandria's Jewish quarter.

tampasteve · Jul 25, 2018

dqhall said:
There have already been three temples: Solomon's Temple, Nehemiah's Temple and Herod's much larger temple. http://bibleq.net/answer/5467/

As far as I know no one has been issued a building permit to build a Jewish national temple. They met in synagogues.

Most scholars and religious authorities agree that there were only two temples. Herod's Temple, while a near complete rebuild, is not considered a new temple as temple services functioned throughout construction work.

Meowzltov · Jul 25, 2018

dqhall said:
There have already been three temples: Solomon's Temple, Nehemiah's Temple and Herod's much larger temple. http://bibleq.net/answer/5467/

As far as I know no one has been issued a building permit to build a Jewish national temple. They met in synagogues.

Because sacrifices never stopped as Herod's construction went on, Herod's temple is considered a renovation of the second Temple, not a third temple.

Meowzltov · Jul 25, 2018

HTacianas said:
There is no reason to believe that there will ever be a third temple.

How about that observant Jews wish to observe the sacrificial laws.

DennisTate · Oct 15, 2018

Open Heart said:
How about that observant Jews wish to observe the sacrificial laws.

Exactly...... and many of us Christians take a certain statement as indicating that they are probably correct to want this......

Luke 24:25

Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Heber Book List · Oct 16, 2018

DennisTate said:
Exactly...... and many of us Christians take a certain statement as indicating that they are probably correct to want this......

Luke 24:25

Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

A fair number of scholars are talking of a 4th Temple - but it's a bit of a grey area.

DennisTate · Oct 16, 2018

Heber Book List said:
A fair number of scholars are talking of a 4th Temple - but it's a bit of a grey area.

Yes........ a Jerusalem Third Temple that would be on the Temple Mount.......
and then an Ezekiel TEmple Complex that would correspond with Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48.... the best theories that I ever read on that idea are here:

galgal | Entries tagged with temple

and here:

Ezekiel's Temple: why are we still not building?
Ezekiel's Temple: why are we still not building?

ProtectionET said:

Ezekiel's Temple, the Third Temple:

31°28'58"N 35°14'37"E

This place is located in the Judean Desert, about 30 km south of Jerusalem, between Ein Gedi and Hebron.

The southern slope of the mountain, as it is written in the book of Ezekiel.

It looks like the ruins of an ancient altar. Altar of Abraham, the land of Moriah, Jehovah Jireh?

It seems to me that the Temple is described in the book of the prophet Ezekiel quite clearly, so that it could be built. Can someone think that unbelievers will be able to build this Temple? Someone is waiting for this Temple to be built by the government of Israel, or the US government? Or are there those who hope that representatives of orthodox Judaism will be able to build the Third Temple, those who do not believe in Messiah Yeshua will be able to build the Temple of Messiah Yeshua?

If this Temple is to be built by us, Messianic Jews and Christians, then why are we engaged in any other business except the most important???

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Dave-W · Oct 16, 2018

Heber Book List said:
A fair number of scholars are talking of a 4th Temple - but it's a bit of a grey area.

I have had that idea rattling around my mind for at least 50 years....

Hoshiyya · Oct 19, 2018

The Bible describes a massive earthquake that will change the layout of Jerusalem and Israel as we know it.

As for the amount of temples, how is this a question?
Revelation says there will be a Millennial temple in the Millennial Jerusalem. It is described in detail in Ezekiel.

Then after the millennium there will be a a New Jerusalem without a temple because Yeshua himself will "be the temple".

DennisTate · Oct 19, 2018

Dave-W said:
I have had that idea rattling around my mind for at least 50 years....

Yes...... the Ezekiel Temple complex could be a fourth Jerusalem Temple and / or the New Jerusalem could be the fourth temple if the Ezekiel 40 - 48 one isn't?

DennisTate · Oct 19, 2018

Hoshiyya said:
The Bible describes a massive earthquake that will change the layout of Jerusalem and Israel as we know it.

As for the amount of temples, how is this a question?
Revelation says there will be a Millennial temple in the Millennial Jerusalem. It is described in detail in Ezekiel.

Then after the millennium there will be a a New Jerusalem without a temple because Yeshua himself will "be the temple".

It seems to me that IF ... the tradition is true that a replica of the Ark of the Covenant was made in the time of King Solomon........
then the Orthodox Jews could have their Temple Mount Temple .... perhaps near the Gihon Spring which is well away from the Al Aqsa Mosque or the Dome of the Rock........ and then the Ezekiel Temple Complex fitting all details given in Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48... could use the other Ark of the Covenant.

The New Jerusalem that comes down later does not need an Ark of the Covenant or a Temple...... because the Father is in it.... and so is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.....

"In a September 1935, article in the National Geographic magazine, L. Roberts recorded his interviews with various priests in different parts of Ethiopia who consistently told the same story. They recounted that the Queen of Sheba had visited King Solomon and had had "a child", Menelik I. Solomon educated the lad in Jerusalem until he was nineteen years old. The boy then returned to Ethiopia with a large group of Jews, taking with him the true Ark of the Covenant.
......
The Ethiopian official national epic known as the Glory of the Kings (Kebra-Nagasi) contains an amazing story which offers an explanation of what happened to the Ark of the Covenant. In addition, there are several Ethiopian murals which tell how the Ark and the Tablets of the Law were taken to Ethiopia for safekeeping by Prince Menelik I. ..... The Queen of Sheba, his mother, had died and the prince prepared to leave Jerusalem to return twenty-five hundred miles to his native country to become its king.

Prince Menelik bore an uncanny resemblance in beauty and regal bearing to his father. King Solomon wanted to give him a replica of the Ark to take with him to Ethiopia because the long distance would prevent him from ever again worshipping at the temple in Jerusalem.

However Prince Menelik was concerned with the growing apostasy of Israel and the fact that his father, Solomon was now allowing idols to be placed in the Temple to please his pagan wives. King Solomon gave the prince a going-away banquet and after the priests were filled with wine, Menelik and his loyal associates switched arks and left the replica in its place in the Holy of Holies.// (Grant Jeffrey, [page 115, Armageddon, Appointment with Destiny).

Hoshiyya · Oct 19, 2018

DennisTate said:
Yes...... the Ezekiel Temple complex could be a fourth Jerusalem Temple and / or the New Jerusalem could be the fourth temple if the Ezekiel 40 - 48 one isn't?

There is no temple (building) in New Jerusalem. "The lamb is its temple." You might be conflating the Millennial Jerusalem with the New Jerusalem.

Hoshiyya · Oct 19, 2018

DennisTate said:
It seems to me that IF ... the tradition is true that a replica of the Ark of the Covenant was made in the time of King Solomon........
then the Orthodox Jews could have their Temple Mount Temple .... perhaps near the Gihon Spring which is well away from the Al Aqsa Mosque or the Dome of the Rock........ and then the Ezekiel Temple Complex fitting all details given in Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48... could use the other Ark of the Covenant.

The New Jerusalem that comes down later does not need an Ark of the Covenant or a Temple...... because the Father is in it.... and so is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.....

Again, how is there even a question?

At no point in scripture are two simultaneous temples described.

Zechariah describes a huge valley being formed when the Messiah sets his foot on the earth, the geography will be completely different. As I recall there is scripture saying that no building or mountain will be left standing. Present day geography is not relevant.

visionary · Oct 19, 2018

The way I see it, there will be a man-made temple which the Anti-Yeshua will declare himself as God from but that is before the Millennium. During the Millennium, I can see Yeshua, having prepared the New Jerusalem city, come to get His Saints to dwell, celebrate the Wedding, and read the Book of Life, getting their tears wiped, etc... At the end of the thousand years, the Saints and Yeshua come with the City of God, and the wicked dead raise from the dead to coming their last thoughts of hatred, and Satan stirs them up for one last assault upon the people of God, who all happen to be in the City of God. Judgement breaks out in the verdict read, the sentence pronounce and the Hell fire burns them up to ashes, with the last to die is death and Satan. With that fire, it continues to burn up the earth, with a final cleansing, and then God creates it all with us watching Him. This time there will be no temple.

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Is the Ezekiel 40 - 48 temple complex.... centred on the Temple Mount?

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