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Are human affairs unfolding according to God's plan?
If so, then no, the current state of morality could not have been avoided.
Doesnt matter whether any of us know the plan or not.No one knows the ultimate plan of God.
This is not the first time nations have plunged into degeneracy,doesn't mean we can point to God and blame him for the wickedness of mans behavior.
Are human affairs unfolding according to God's plan?
If so, then no, the current state of morality could not have been avoided.
Sorry, that was the overall crime rate that was not wildly different, although it is a bit lower. Like most Americans. I always get Canada confused with Uganda.The intentional homicide rate (per 100,000) is 1.8 in Canada and 5.3 in the USA. The rate in the USA is 294% of Canada's rate ---- hardly "essentially the same".
So thing are not playing out according to a plan? If thats correct, then yes absolutely things could be different than they are.You are attempting to associate Gods sovereignty with the vileness around us.
If I say yes, then you assume God blessed the situation. If I say no than God is not the authority.
Well there is another option. God ordains. He will allow things to occur but does give people his blessing or protection. There will be an end times and man turning away from God and toward iniquity is a big part of that.
As mentioned I think what may seem like successes in our society of being able to create human life in a test tube, manipulate DNA to eradicate cancer, and the many victories claimed by secularism on rights all come at a cost. They are the result of humans playing God, Satan gaining control and playing God showing his version of good which can fool many. It looks good on the outside but comes at a cost. One persons rights is another persons loss. A gain in technological know how also brings repercussions that could wreck our genomes and nature.
Just like nuclear power is a great source of energy but also something that could completely destroy the earth and people with it. Just like tech makes life much easier and brings more comfort than ever before yet more people are unhappy and want to end their lives or are going mad and are full of hate and rage. It seems everything comes at a cost and the more successes we claim the more costs it brings in one way or another to our planet and well-being.
We are seeing the consequences of past actions that we thought were good causing problems today and we will see more and more problems created in the future from what we think is OK today. We basically cannot get it right because we have a sinful nature and are susceptible to self interest. Money and power is valued above life and this will always lead to ruin.
Basically we are becoming more about self, the me generation. The power to do and be anything and if there is one sin that separates us from God more than anything it is preoccupation with self. This is Satan saying look at me I can do anything God can do.
That was the whole purpose of expelling us from the Garden. We need to learn from our mistakes. We need to reject the notion we can fix anything or do anything right of our own will, hence God's suggestion we put His will before our own. Our will often runs opposite to that of God, even though we are capable of living by either. As all are guilty there is no separation between the reasonable and the outright evil. We all break the same law of putting our will before God's. Some just take greater advantage of the fact.
Show me a time when man doesn't take something good and turn it around to serve their own purposes. We can't be trusted.Why, God just wants to hide abilities from us and taunt us by his design until one point it is too late?
Why, God just wants to hide abilities from us and taunt us by his design until one point it is too late?
Show me a time when man doesn't take something good and turn it around to serve their own purposes. We can't be trusted.
As I stated we start out with something good and someone will twist it for their own purposes. The scriptures we were given were good but they got twisted into a religion that served the institution rather than the Kingdom.Self-defeating logic. If we can't be trusted, why should I trust anything in the Bible, since it was written by human beings?
Which freefall? As always...I ask for specifics.Do you think the relative freefall of morality that started around the 1960s could have been avoided? How in what kind of way?
I also don't believe we should go back to before the 1960s in all ways, but I believe the traditionalists and conservatives have a point sometimes.
Then if we can't be trusted I feel disillusioned about it. It's like all of us are blamed for something bad or evil.Show me a time when man doesn't take something good and turn it around to serve their own purposes. We can't be trusted.
It's not fair it's so messed up that God punishes or forsakes America because of a certain class of people harmed it and ruined it for us. I hate how messed up it is that things are only "allowed" to go from bad to worse until Jesus returns.
Almost makes me want to die from here right now TBH.
Sorry, that was the overall crime rate that was not wildly different, although it is a bit lower. Like most Americans. I always get Canada confused with Uganda.
I don't think there was a freefall in human morality since the 60's. I think the freefall in human morality started in 2016 when Trump got elected!Do you think the relative freefall of morality that started around the 1960s could have been avoided? How in what kind of way?
I also don't believe we should go back to before the 1960s in all ways, but I believe the traditionalists and conservatives have a point sometimes.
I don't think there was a freefall in human morality since the 60's. I think the freefall in human morality started in 2016 when Trump got elected!
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