Could have 9/11 been prevented?

[Satisfied]

This interview of author David Griffin regarding his newly released book, The New Pearl Harbor, gives additional insight on the unanswered questions regarding the OP.

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[Ebed-Yahweh]

Ever heard of the Reichstag Fire?

Reichstag fire, burning of the Reichstag (parliament) building in Berlin, on the night of Feb. 27, 1933, a key event in the establishment of the Nazi dictatorship and widely believed to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government itself to turn public opinion against its opponents and to assume emergency powers. Hitler had secured the chancellorship after the elections of November 1932, but his Nazi Party had not won an overall majority. He therefore obtained Cabinet consent to fix new elections for March 5, 1933. Meanwhile, his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is supposed to have devised the scheme whereby 10 agents led by Karl Ernst were to gain access to the Reichstag through a tunnel leading from the official residence of Hermann Goring, Reichstag president and Hitler's chief minister, who was then to conduct an official investigation, which would fix responsibility for the fire on the Communists. The supposed arsonist was a Dutchman, Marinus van der Lubbe, whom some have claimed was brought to the scene of the crime by Nazi agents. Others have contended that there was no proof of Nazi complicity in the crime, but that Hitler merely capitalized on van der Lubbe's independent act. The fire is the subject of continued debate and research.

On Feb. 28, 1933, the day after the fire, Hitler's dictatorship began with the enactment of a decree "for the Protection of the People and the State," which dispensed with all constitutional protection of political, personal, and property rights. Though the ensuing elections still did not give the Nazis an outright majority, they were able to persuade the Reichstag to pass an Enabling Act (March 23) whereby all its legislative powers were transferred to the Reich Cabinet by a vote of 444 to 94, so sanctioning the dictatorship. A feature of the ensuing arson trial, at which van der Lubbe was convicted, was the acquittal of the Bulgarian Communist Georgi Dimitrov after a strong defense.

(from www.prop1.org/park/reichsta.htm)

These things can happen.

 

[Satisfied]

On October 25th, 1999, golf pro Stewart Payne's Learjet lost radio contact with flight control at 9:44 A.M. At 10:08, just 24 minutes after losing radio contact, two F-16 fighters were sent to intercept.

Yet, on 9-11-01, a total of one hour and 53 minutes elapsed between the time the first jet lost radio contact with flight control at 8:13 A.M. and the last jet went down in a rural Pennsylvania field at 10:06. Norad was informed of the first hijacking at 8:31. So why, with so much time on their hands, was standard protocol ignored?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...meline&timeperiod=0:10am-11:50pm 11 Sept 2001

 

[Ebed-Yahweh]

Should I tell them yet, Satisfied, or should I let them guess a little while longer?

 

[Gunny]

Conspicary theorists-An interesting group but a little bit paranoid fueled by forms of media and political concerns and/or affliations.

 

[Satisfied]

Conspicary theorists-An interesting group but a little bit paranoid fueled by forms of media and political concerns and/or affliations.

Hi Gunny,

Are you referring to the conspiracy theor(ies) that you might subscribe to? I mean the "officially approved" ones, like there being WMD in Iraq, that the "evil doers" hate the U.S. because of their freedom, that there are Arab/Muslim/Middle-eastern boogiemen conspiring to bring down the U.S., and that there were a group of terrorists that conspired to bring down the WTC towers. Are these the conspiracies you are referring to?

As far as your mention of paranoia, are you referring to those whose reliance is on a mortal military to protect them from their imagined/created enemies instead of trusting the Heavenly Father and following His Commandments?

Come now, friend, and leave off from the mindless "conspiracy theorist" mantra. Everyone believes in some conspiracy, including you. Why? Because they really exist and everyone knows it. Why, I even know of a 'conspiracy' where a Father and Son met together in secret and formed a plan by which each of their kin might live in peaceably and happily together forever.

It can be clearly seen, by how a man lives his life, who is paraniod, and it is not the man who trusts in the Lord.

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"When a man's ways please the lord, He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him." Proverbs 16.7

 

[Blindfaith]

Let's not get personal.......play nice

 

[jameseb]

Let's not get personal.......play nice

*ponders curiously why all those that don't play nice come from one side of this issue.... things that make you go, hmmmmmm*


By the way, if I hadn't said it already, no.... there is no way it could have been prevented short of having superhero CIA precog's gainning insight of the attack before it happened.

C'mon people... stop politicizing EVERYTHING.

 

[praying]

C'mon people... stop politicizing EVERYTHING.

If it is from Washington or concering Washington it's political, no two ways about.

 

[joevberry3]

Absolutely, no doubt about it.

For decades it has been standard protocol for interception of commercial aricraft that have A) lost radio contact with control towers, and B) strayed off course. Usual intercept time is about ten minutes average, fifteen minutes max.

There were fourteen fighter jets stationed in seven different locations on full alert, scramble ready and able to reach the various ariliners within the 15 minutes.

Those fighter jets and their pilots sole job was to be ready minutemen for just such a situation.

There had to be a stand-down order for them all not to follow standard protocol.

If you care to read about these long established norms and procedures, the links below are a start.

This page, describing the available airpower available in the New England area, was removed from the original web site on 9-12-01.

This page gives an outstanding outline of events with links to some pretty damning documentation.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/quickindex/

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I understand what you are saying here Satisified, but on the other hand I disagree. They still had no idea that the planes were to hit the WTC...Were the Air Force to blow these planes up or wait and see if they landed somewhere? I say they had to wait, they couldnt blow these planes up over New York City, although they lost communication with them, it didnt neccesarily mean they were gonna hit the WTC, now did it? If it were you, would you have known what the hijackers were gonna do the minute they lost contact? No...
Also, maybe you didnt know this..There has been thousands of times a plane has lost communications with the tower, but yet it had NOT been hijacked!!

Joe

 

[jameseb]

If it is from Washington or concering Washington it's political, no two ways about.

No. I am saying stop trying to skew the truth to fit one's political agenda.... which happens around this board with sickening frequency.

 

[ACougar]

No. I am saying stop trying to skew the truth to fit one's political agenda.... which happens around this board with sickening frequency.

So young, so angry, darn that Rush Limbough!!!

 

[jameseb]

So young, so angry, darn that Rush Limbough!!!

Don't you have al Jazeera articles to be posting on this board?

 

[Blindfaith]

Like I said.....lets not get personal

 

[SqueezetheShaman]

No. I am saying stop trying to skew the truth to fit one's political agenda.... which happens around this board with sickening frequency.

yeah, and both sides do it, so let's stick to the topic. mr pot

edit, sorryr blindfaith, back on topic, saw your post after i did mine.

 

[jameseb]

yeah, and both sides do it, so let's stick to the topic. mr pot

edit, sorryr blindfaith, back on topic, saw your post after i did mine.

Moi? I'm the 'equalizer' ~ nothing more.

 

[ACougar]

I don't have to like or agree with a perpective in order to value it. Unfortunately, I haven't run accross any al Jazeera articles lately which really shed new light onto this issue. I don't think I'll ever be firmly convinced one way or the other on this subject, there are a thousand differant possiblities that cannot really be ruled out. Right now I lean toward negligence/incompetence, I find it difficult to believe Bush so evil that he would willingly sacrifice thousands of lives to kick off some neo-conservative agenda.

Don't you have al Jazeera articles to be posting on this board?

 

[jameseb]

I find it difficult to believe Bush so evil that he would willingly sacrifice thousands of lives to kick off some neo-conservative agenda.

Well I'm glad there are a few sane people around here still.

 

[Blindfaith]

No problem Squeeze It's all good.

 

[Sociopath4Jesus]

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