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Corrupted Bibles

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by aforchrist33, Mar 17, 2002.

  1. King James

  2. Living Bible

  3. Phillipips Modern English

  4. Revised Standard Version

  5. Today's English Version

  6. New International Version

  7. Jerusalem Bible

  8. New English Bible

  9. All of the above

  10. Not sure

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  1. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    all of em..because that's the nature of a TRANSLATION. That doesn't mean we can't read them and study them though.
     
  2. Apologist

    Apologist 2 Tim. 2:24-26

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    Another KJV only person I see. Those are some bad arguments. The Holy Spirit does not magically interpret the scripture for us and I am tired of hearing people say that nonsense. The Holy Spirit helps us but He does not interpret it in the way you mentioned. If what you said were true than we would not need to study the scripture our whole life to try and understand it all.
     
  3. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    I think the issue of semantics that the KJ only people bring up is quelled quite nicely when you say this: " the translations are good to read and study and you should use the greek and hebrew to clarify them. Therefore most of the translations in exsistance today are great."
     
  4. Apologist

    Apologist 2 Tim. 2:24-26

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    Oh brother! The KJV is NOT the autographa!
    I prefer the NKJV myself as do many biblical scholars.
     
  5. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    umm...actuallly most biblical scholars prefer the greek NT and a hebrew OT ;)
     
  6. edjones

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    1. Why would God inspire the originals and then not preserve them as promised -
    (note: I am talking about the words, not the papers, pieces, etc?)

    2. If you claim God has allowed some errors in the Bible today,
    why do you not afford Him for making some errors in the originals?

    3. Isn't the kind of faith you have "convenient" since it cannot be tested?
    After all, since all the perfect set of originals are LOST or either DESTROYED,
    you can rest safely in the fact that you can be challenged,
    but you will never be proven wrong
    since the EVIDENCE needed to prove you wrong (the "lost originals") is lost.

    4. Are you afraid to dare put the same faith in a Bible available today?

    5. Isn't it a fact that to believe in a perfect set of originals,
    but not believe in a perfect English Bible, is to believe NOTHING at all?

    6. To enforce a "convenient faith," would you go so far as to say, as others have said,
    that what God actually meant in Ps. 119:89 is that He preserved His perfect Bible
    in a library up in Heaven, and not on earth?

    7. If this is true, then didn't God write a book to Himself, and not to man?

    8. What is Scripture?

    9. WHO taught you the King James Bible is not the word of God?

    10. If "Scripture(s)" refers to the "original manuscripts,"
    then wasn't Jesus really being deceptive to His listeners?
    (Matt. 21:42; 22:29; Mk. 12:10,24; Lk. 24:27; Jn. 2:22; 7:38, 42; 19:37; 20:9 etc.)

    11. If you claim the King James has errors, then I would have to conclude
    the King James Bible is not the inerrant Bible.
    What is?
    The NASV? The NKJV? The LB? The NEB? The ASV? The JB?
    The NAB? The NWT, etc. etc. etc.?

    12. Since most Bible colleges and insitutes believe only the originals are inspired,
    aren't they really teaching a form of Deism?
     
  7. filosofer

    filosofer Senior Veteran

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    I find it interesting that on a poll of Bible translations the following are not included: NAS, NKJV, NET, ESV, GW, ...

    Oh well, if I had know this was a KJV-Only thread I would have stopped studying and translating the Greek and Hebrew and joined in. ;) Since I just started teaching Psalms this week at the college, I guess my time is a little taken up with that. Oh yeah, I use the Hebrew - and then check the translations. I think that's the process. :)

    So, do you know Greek and Hebrew? On what basis are claiming that the KJV is "the closest version to the original in english"?

    ----

    Note too that there are several issues floating around and they are getting confused.

    1. Translation (NAS, KJV, NKJV, GW, NET, etc.). The original question was "which translation?"

    2. Study aids and study Bibles (concordances, maps, charts, footnotes, etc.) - Life Application Bible, Thompson Chain Reference, etc. Each of these comes in different translations.

    3. Interpretation - "Rightly dividing the word" has nothing to with whether a person uses a specific translation. Heresy and false teaching have been around as long as there has been a proclamation of the Word. And the KJV certainly did not stop many of the cults that developed in the 1800's (JW, LDS, etc.).

    And speaking of "wrongly dividing the word..."

    Regarding "dispensation" (OIKONOMIA) in Ephesians, that particular word has nothing to do with dispensationalism as a theological system.

    Regarding the Law and Gospel/Grace, the Old Testament was as much a Gospel/Grace approach to salvation as the New Testament. Read Romans 4 and Galatians 3 and Genesis 12 and 15 and ...

    No, the Old Testament teaches both Law and Gospel, and the New Testament teaches both Law and Gospel. And both point to salvation in Jesus Christ. Or at least that is what Jesus proclaimed (John 5:39; Luke 24:44-49; etc.)

    - even the KJV teaches that. :D
     
  8. edjones

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    1 Corinthians 5:7b NASV: "... For Christ our Passover also has been
    sacrificed."

    KJV: "For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us."
    (If Christ is not sacrificed FOR US we cannot be saved!)
     
  9. Dave Ulchers

    Dave Ulchers Active Member

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    Jesus never studied.
     
  10. Didymus

    Didymus can t spell--can t type

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    He must have studied the Hebrew Bile of his time--our old testament
     
  11. Dave Ulchers

    Dave Ulchers Active Member

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    Why must he have?
     
  12. aforchrist33

    aforchrist33 Member

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    Dear LouiseBooth;

    Reading every version isn't the issue, proper translation is.
     
  13. aforchrist33

    aforchrist33 Member

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    Dear DaveUlchers;

    Please provide a full question, have too many posts to reply with little time to guess!
     
  14. Didymus

    Didymus can t spell--can t type

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    that was for me 33
    For Jesus to grow up as a Jewish boy in that time He would have gone to synagouge school to learn to read and to study the scriptures. Remember how he read from Isiah when he was a man ?
     
  15. Dave Ulchers

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    Sorry -- those page flips always get me. I do believe that the Holy Spirit, which may be had through obediance to Christ Jesus (John 14:15-17) enables the proper interpretation of Scripture. A lifetime of study is not needed, for the scriptures note that Jesus never studied (John 7:15). Nor is studying the scriptures the path to eternal life, and searching them will be of no avail unless you come to Jesus and have true life (John 5:37-40).
     
  16. aforchrist33

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    Dear Apologist;

    Welcome to our ministry!

    Sorry to hear of your ilness. Maby this will help. I believe God gave everyone the brain to look in a dictionary for the meaning of the closest version to the original there is. And the holy Spirit to let us know that other versions do not agree with the original ..... These things have I written unto you (concerning them that seduce you)...... But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and (ye need not that any man teach you): but as the same (anointing teacheth you of all things), and (in truth), and is no lie, and even as (it hath taught you), ye shall abide in him. 1 John 2:26,27

    Hope you feel better. God bless!
     
  17. aforchrist33

    aforchrist33 Member

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    Dear Didymus;

    Welcome to our ministry!

    Sorry am not shure what post was for you?
    Blease explain. Thanks!
     
  18. aforchrist33

    aforchrist33 Member

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    Dear DaveUlcers;

    Nice to see you circulling by you said,

    "I do believe that the Holy Spirit which may be had through obedience"

    John 14:15) is addressed to Jews under a covenant relationship. (John 13:33) Again we are not saved by our performance of keeping the law, but by faith in Christ performance of what He did for us.
     
  19. Jesusong

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    aforechrist33,

    How did you come to the conclusion that the KJV is the closest to the originals? Have you read any books? If you have, which ones?
     
  20. aforchrist33

    aforchrist33 Member

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    Dear Jesusong;

    Welcome! Where did I say I thought the KJV was the closest to the original? I believe I often said the KJV was closer to the original then the versions following the KJV. And if not that is what I mean. God bless!
     
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