Corroborating Genesis, Book of Jasher, and Stephen's Speech

[Calminian]

The wisdom of the prudent [is] to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.

The tongue of the wise commends knowledge,
but the mouth of the fool gushes folly.​

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The original manuscripts are inspired, and there are errors in translation in Genesis in some places, which make myths out of errors, and errors of ignorance in translations in English from Genesis.
Only translators' bias or ignorance cause errors in either of those books translations, and I do not consider Jasher inspired, as you have claimed that I do, because no history is inspired, even the histories in the accepted canons are not inspired, as the Jews will tell you truthfully, because only what is "Thus saith YHWH" is inspired, like the prophets [and Enoch is the first prophet whose writings we have], and the Torah, because God said to write it.

Just because a history book is accepted in a list/canon prepared by men does not make the information in it absolutely accurate, as all the Inspired "Thus saith YHWH" writings are -like Torah, the prophets, and Revelation are, and the records of Jesus' Gospel in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John differ in their accounts in places -and give the skeptics much fodder- because they were writing history as they saw it, not as "Thus saith YHWH". They wrote truthfully, and yet there are different accounts by them that just differ, which makes them more believable in a court of Law than if they all seemed to copy one another.

Even Acts is history, and not "Thus saith YHWH".
God can quicken a passage from those history books to us as a truth to apply to our hearts for a particular situation -to learn from them so as to direct our own actions- but that does not make them "Thus saith YHWH" as Torah and the prophets and Revelation are.

Other Church histories written after the "lists/canons" were made can also teach us and direct us and give us clarity how to conduct ourselves as Believers in this life -after we are saved/born of the Spirit.


That does not mean the histories are not accurate -they are much more accurate than Josephus' historical accounts, even, whose books to read from were limited because of the burnings of the records and what was left for him to have access to. The histories of Josephus' own times are accurate, though, because he lived through them.

For the record I believe that the Book of Jasher is a redacted history written by Moses which he wrote as a further redaction from the writings of the Patriarchs, themselves, but his own history in Jasher is expanded and not re-laid in the Torah, because it was already written in Jasher -but was referred to in Torah in many places. Moses redacted the Jasher history even further for the Torah accounts, because "Behold, it was written in the Upright Record".
That is my opinion, and I am entitled to it and I have good reasons to believe it is so.

Hubby and I are going through the Audio Bible instead of reading it, this year, and it is amazing how listening to it opens one's eyes more and more to how much the redacted history in the Torah account depended on the expanded history in the Jasher record for understanding.

We just finished Genesis, and though there have been not a few instances already that were "Aha!" moments for the mentioning of things not told of in the Torah history already, but which were in the history account of Jasher, I thought that I would add to this from one tid-bit last eve, corroborating Torah with Jasher -the Real Jasher- when Jacob said: Genesis 48:21 And Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die: but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers.
22 Moreover I have given to thee one portion above thy brethren, which I took out of the hand of the Amorite with my sword and with my bow.


That translation is faulty in that he took it out of the "hand of the Amorites/plural" with his sword and with his bow!

Now go try to find that in Genesis before that -you cannot, but it is indeed in the real history book of the Upright, Jasher.
For your reading pleasure, I direct you to the first six day war of the kings of Canaan against the sons of Jacob, and the supernatural victory of the sons of Jacob over giants/mighty men, and wicked humans aligned with them, when Jacob and his sons [ten of them, as Joseph and Benjamin were too young], fighting with only 110 souls, destroyed thousands and thousands and thousands and more, of Amorites and Canaanites and their cities, in just six days, when the blood flowed from those cities in deep streams and the remaining kings sued for peace and peace was had until the days when Joshua led Israel back into Canaan.


Book of Jasher Bible - SpeedBible by johnhurt.com


Jasher Chapter 33 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887 -http://www.speakingbible.com/jasher/B01C040.htm


chapter 33- 40 give the story of how Jacob, at age 106, I think it was, took from the hand of the Amorites by his sword and bow, in a six day war, the double portion he awards to Joseph.
There are many, many references to things from the history account only made mention of in the Torah aaccount, and for those who want to know the background, the Real Book of Jasher is the best historical account of those times which clears all confusion about what is being said in the Torah account.
Real history is not lost, only suppressed.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Suppression of history causes lots of myths to be made up to fill in the redaction of the history of the Patriarchs in the Torah, which were redacted because they did not need to be rewritten..

 

[jacksonduluth]

I'm not familiar with some of these works - what's the proper role for using uninspired texts?

 

[sdowney717]

So what history record says, in agreement with Paul and the Torah -the "inspired Torah" record- that Abraham was 70 when the promise was given? -The Book of Jasher, of course, in complete agreement with Paul and Moses, in Genesis.

Jasher 13, the promise -which Paul reckoned from the time of, to get 430 years:
13: 3 And Abram remained in the land three years, and at the expiration of three years the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him; I am the Lord who brought thee forth from Ur Casdim, and delivered thee from the hands of all thine enemies.

4 And now therefore if thou wilt hearken to my voice and keep my commandments, my statutes and my laws, then will I cause thy enemies to fall before thee, and I will multiply thy seed like the stars of heaven, and I will send my blessing upon all the works of thy hands, and thou shalt lack nothing.

There is something wrong with Jasher here as regarding v4 and seems to have been missed by many.

Can you see that? It is something Paul makes extended usage of in Romans.
I will wait and see for others to reflect on this, maybe someone else can draw that out from this murky water.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

There is something wrong with Jasher here as regarding v4 and seems to have been missed by many.

Can you see that? It is something Paul makes extended usage of in Romans.
I will wait and see for others to reflect on this, maybe someone else can draw that out from this murky water.

Romans 1 says all men once knew -
Paul referring to the Torah as given by Moses for the Jews, is not to be confused with God giving men His Word and commands from the beginning of creation.
Noah preached the Word of God for 120 years before the flood was sent. He did not preach Moses' Law which was given by Covenant to the namesake people of the New Man name ["Israel"], 430 years after the promise to Abraham.


Noah, as the priest of God and king of earth as head of all the tribes who would descend from him through his sons, was given the "law" for all nations, by God the Word, when Noah came off the ark.
You will find that in Genesis 9. BLB - Gen 9: Book of Beginnings - Genesis 9 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
Noah also knew what animals were clean for sacrifices and eating and what animals were unclean for sacrifices, so seven pair of the male/female clean animals were taken on the ark, whilst only one pair of the male/female unclean pair were taken on the Ark.
Noah and Shem also instructed Abram/Abraham in righteousness for 30 years, whilst Abram dwelt with them, from age ten, while hiding out from Nimrod [Amraphael of Genesis 14], who wanted to kill him -that is in the history book of the upright.

Blood sacrifices offered on the altars made by men and offered up with prayers to God for forgiveness of sins were made from the time of Adam's fall, when the head of the Adam race -who carried the seed of all who would ever come forth in the Adam-kind spirit- was cast out/divorced [same meaning in Hebrew for the English word] from the presence of the Creator, in Eden above.
The entire race of Adam =all the sons from the firstborn in Adam- right down to Noah and to his sons after the flood knew what God accepted as sacrificial offerings. Even Paul says in Romans 1 that all [the entire human being race] once knew God, and changed His glory into the created things, and worshiped the creation, so God gave them up. Psalm 9 also agrees that the nation that forgets God will be turned into Sheol.
Many nations once knew God. YHWH says Egypt did, and will also once again return to Him.
But no Gentile nation was covenanted with, by YHWH, to bear the name of the New Man [who was to come as God in Flesh] and to keep the signs of His Person and work, by the rehearsals of the signs in the feasts given only to those over whom His New Man name, as God come in flesh, was invoked.

That name was invoked as a sign of the adoption that was to come, by the Acceptable Sacrifice/Atonement, which Adam was promised would come in Genesis 3, and which Abraham saw -with his own eyes opened- when he obeyed the command to offer his "only begotten" [=Monogenes, as the Greek translation says of Isaac, though Ishmael was Abram's firstborn son, just as the NT calls Jesus the "Monogenes/only begotten son of God, even though Adam was the firstborn son of God -Luke 3].

Job was not of Israel, but Job was a righteous man and knew God and kept His Law. He did not keep the Law which came by Moses and which only came to the namesake people of the New Man name, who covenanted to keep it forever, at Sinai, as God's signs of His Person and Work to redeem the race by the Atonement and adoption as sons, named Israel in their flesh of regeneration, and not Adam any more. Isaiah 49; Genesis 5:2 show us the old man name and the New Man name.
Gentiles are under the Law Noah gave of moral righteousness and were never required to come under Moses to be in right standing with God -as the Scriptures clearly teach, for the promise to Adam in Genesis 3 looked forward to the Atonement for all the seed to come out of his loins, and all once expected that Messiah to come -but the nations forgot God.
Our nation has forgotten God, and will be turned into Sheol and pass away like all who have forgot Him before us, unless there is a mighty turning to God like Ninevah did in the time of Jonah.

Jonah did not preach for the Gentile Ninevite population to come under Moses, but to repent of their wicked sins, as children descended from Adam through Noah who knew better, but did evil.

So yes, there has always been "Law", but by Moses only, came the Torah; and to the namesake people, only, came Torah as a covenant to keep the signs of the Messiah's Person and work, which was to come. Even though they did not understand, they covenanted to keep it, and are still under it , but it never got a soul into Eden above, at death, but it showed how all would be able to go back, but in new garments of new creation, covered by the Blood Atonement of the Kinsman; and be adopted as sons in His New Man name and be priests of God and reign with him from His holy Hill above- right where Adam was cast down from, at the fall.

Job 22:22 Receive, I pray thee, the law from his mouth, and lay up his words in thine heart.