correct faith response

[wstu]

After 30+ years as a christian, I have finally come to understand how faith works and what it means when the word says God "calls things that are not as though they were". And since we are made in His image we are to walk in His manner. So, the question is, I am trying to learn new responses to questions/comments from others such as

How are you feeling?

I noticed you still have that cough?

While I grow in faith and claim good health. I think there is a balance, you have those who say I am not sick, what are you talking about, and others who go with what others say around them thus agreeing with that sickness and don't walk in victory at all.

Thoughts, thanks

Wayne

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Calling things that be not as tho they were only works if you believe in your spirit and not doubt in your heart.
Not everything we say is believed in our spirit and I am sure we doubt a lot of it could or would happen.

Say that you have a square circle. Is that going to happen just because you say it?

I do not worry so much about watching every little comment I make. The provisions that Jesus has purchased for us by his suffering and blood is an exception. I strive not to contradict the blood and the cross. I really cannot say I am sick without contradicting "by his stripes ye were healed." I have noticed down thru the years that when I transgress against His blood and body, I get a conviction about it. It is getting harder and harder to say things like "I have a cold."
I supposed I could say "I feel like I have a cold."

Some complain that we are lying when we say "I am healed" while laying in a hospital bed. I suggest the proper thing to say would be "I believe I am healed" or "The word says I am healed."

I am looking forward to what others may have to say...

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

Calling things that be not as tho they were only works if you believe in your spirit and not doubt in your heart.
Not everything we say is believed in our spirit and I am sure we doubt a lot of it could or would happen.

Say that you have a square circle. Is that going to happen just because you say it?

Excellent answer.

I've always been dismayed at those who say that little catch phrases or sing-songs are going to happen to me. For instance, "that's to die for!" I don't know of anyone who would actually want to die for, say, a piece of cheesecake. Nor do I know of anyone who actually died from saying that. And if we talk about the potential artery clogging detriments of the fats in cheesecake, gee, people who don't say that get clogged just as often.

What I've also seen is that for every "negative" thing I say, I say a bunch of off the cuff "positive" things too. And none of those simply appear either.

Are words powerful? Absolutely. But you have to believe what you are saying, without doubt. And they have to be lined up with scripture, be it the will of God to get His promises, or with the curse to be touched by its pain.

(There is an ancillary side to this -- if you say something often enough, you may actually begin to believe it. It can get into you (positive or negative) and begin to have an effect. So there is caution in my dismissal here too.)

Some complain that we are lying when we say "I am healed" while laying in a hospital bed.

Well, in a sense it is a lie -- for those who have not received this Word into their heart, who don't believe it in their spirit, who have doubts about their own words...sure, they're fibbing.

"I am healed" is true if you understand and believe that part of the atonement was for your physical sickness and disease. Jesus died to take your sorrow, your pain, your sickness, your disease, and, importantly, your sin. We accept the sin part because we can't see it; we hedge on the healing part because our leg hurts and our nose runs!

Jesus healed me at the cross. This is a true statement. But if I don't accept it, believe it and apply it then my body can still get sick and hurt. It is the penalty for embracing the curse.

I suggest the proper thing to say would be "I believe I am healed" or "The word says I am healed."

I am looking forward to what others may have to say...

Or "Jesus healed me. I accept my healing." (And some may need to follow that with "Lord, I believe; help my unbelief.")


To the OP:
"I noticed you still have that cough?" "Well, it has been trying to hold on. But I am healed."

 

[pk4yahweh]

On the other hand - our words have the power to create. By confessing "My back is killing me!" I place myself under a confession other than what God has confessed over me. (Isaiah 53 etc).

I choose to always speak faith... If I'm coughing and cannot get rid of it then I confess that my body is in the process of coming into agreement with my spirit and His Word. The battle is real - but my victory is certain!

 

[Optimax]

After 30+ years as a christian, I have finally come to understand how faith works and what it means when the word says God "calls things that are not as though they were". And since we are made in His image we are to walk in His manner. So, the question is, I am trying to learn new responses to questions/comments from others such as

How are you feeling?

I noticed you still have that cough?

While I grow in faith and claim good health. I think there is a balance, you have those who say I am not sick, what are you talking about, and others who go with what others say around them thus agreeing with that sickness and don't walk in victory at all.

Thoughts, thanks

Wayne

When one has a cough.

It is a fact that they have a cough.

God's Word is truth/reality.

The reality is that the cough has no right in one's body unless they allow it.

The Word of God speaks the reality that by His stripes we are healed.

Reality spoken in faith will change the fact.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

On the other hand - our words have the power to create. By confessing "My back is killing me!" I place myself under a confession other than what God has confessed over me. (Isaiah 53 etc).

Do you think that saying that will kill anyone?

Can we propogate the illness with a bad confession? Sure. Absolutely. (Last two paragraphs of my first section in my first response.) If we embrace the illness then it will be ours. I know people who seek pity and they confess all sorts of illnesses -- and they get them eventually, although not all of them. But certainly if my back hurts and all I do is confess how hurt my back it, then the blessing cannot work in me to bring healing. The healing is there! Jesus died for it. It is ours.

So perhaps the picky point here is the word "confessing." If my back hurts and I tell someone that it does, then that is a fact I'm sharing for the sake of prayer, opinion, helps. Fair enough or off track? But if I continue in this confession and embrace it and repeat it and even desire it, then I will call it to me, I will set myself in the path of the curse and will take it into my physical body. Again, fair enough or off track?

I choose to always speak faith... If I'm coughing and cannot get rid of it then I confess that my body is in the process of coming into agreement with my spirit and His Word. The battle is real - but my victory is certain!

This is true.



Let me add an example. Gloria Copeland once preached that she, for a time, went around using the phrase "that just blows me away." Not that she meant anything by it, but she kept saying it about things.

She was in a Believer's Convention and a storm came through. A tornado touched down and moved close to the arena. It pulled the back door off the arena and tore a hole in the roof. They had to relocate the meeting to another room that night.

But she and Ken attribute her repeated speaking of this phrase to the calling of a tornado to themselves. To put it bluntly: I think that's malarky.

If any with to comment on this please include all the people who have continually used that particular phrase and never faced a tornado; and include all the people who have faced a tornado and have never used a phrase like that. I think that after the tornado they made a connection to a coincidence. Why? Because Gloria in no way, shape or form BELEIVED that she was going to be "blown away" in any manner. She didn't link her faith to that phrase.

This is one of my pet peeves, btw. So if I'm off track....let me know. (I've said "off track" three times now; does that mean that the next time I'm on a train..... )

 

[pk4yahweh]

No Bob - I see it exactly the way you do. I think sometimes teachings on Faith and Words can border New Age Superstition. Does everyone who has ever confessed statements like those actually DIE? Probably not...

But that aversion to an extreme position doesn't discount the truth that our words reflect what is inside of us - and what is in our hearts CAN kill us.

So you and I are in agreement. Not wacky witch-crafty... Yet also aware of ill-spoken confessions.

 

[Scottmcc1]

Words spoken off hand are more likely to tear down faith than to build faith. Or to put it another way. To make an off hand comment contrary to what you are believing for is a tell tale sign you are not truly believing.

A cough is definitely a sign that you have some sort of sickness. Yet 1 Peter 2:24 says we WERE healed by his stripes. So what is going on? We have healing in the spirit realm but it is not manifested in the physical realm. To bring healing to the flesh takes faith. True faith not just hopeful confession.

What to say when someone says I see you have a cough.
How about, Yes I am fighting a cough?
That is really the truth of what is going on. For if our body does not fight sickness it will lead to worse problems. And we are fighting in the spirit as well using 2 Cor 10:3-5

There have been times when I was sick, I would ask the Lord do I go to work? He will tell me to go. I go by faith that God will heal me as I step out.

Another thing I do is claim healing as I go to bed that I will be healed when I get up to go to work. This allows me to believe all night without doubting. Then when I get up I'm healed, (no matter what I feel like). I find the stepping out in faith can bring the healing.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

No Bob - I see it exactly the way you do. I think sometimes teachings on Faith and Words can border New Age Superstition. Does everyone who has ever confessed statements like those actually DIE? Probably not...

But that aversion to an extreme position doesn't discount the truth that our words reflect what is inside of us - and what is in our hearts CAN kill us.

So you and I are in agreement. Not wacky witch-crafty... Yet also aware of ill-spoken confessions.

Amen! Words are powerful, but let's not turn it into a superstition. Amen.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

Words spoken off hand are more likely to tear down faith than to build faith. Or to put it another way. To make an off hand comment contrary to what you are believing for is a tell tale sign you are not truly believing.

That's two things. (1) Words "off hand" are not believed. (2) But comments contrary to what you are believing for -- absolutely: bad confession. If you are standing for something, then you need to be focused on that thing.

A cough is definitely a sign that you have some sort of sickness. Yet 1 Peter 2:24 says we WERE healed by his stripes. So what is going on? We have healing in the spirit realm but it is not manifested in the physical realm. To bring healing to the flesh takes faith. True faith not just hopeful confession.

Amen. A cough (let's add with sniffles) is a FACT that sickness is trying to get ahold of you. Healing has been PROVIDED. Like a candy bar on a table: if you don't go grab it then it ain't with you.

I think a big misconception is the idea that "we have healing in the spirit" MEANS (it doesn't) that "we possess healing in the spirit." No. No. No. It means that healing has been PROVIDED FOR in the spirit. Jesus PROVIDED FOR it at the cross, about 2000 years before you existed: therefore you could not have had it. But IT IS YOURS. I bought that candy bar for YOU. It is yours. But you don't HAVE it unless you go take it.

 

[Scottmcc1]

I think a big misconception is the idea that "we have healing in the spirit" MEANS (it doesn't) that "we possess healing in the spirit." No. No. No. It means that healing has been PROVIDED FOR in the spirit. Jesus PROVIDED FOR it at the cross, about 2000 years before you existed: therefore you could not have had it. But IT IS YOURS. I bought that candy bar for YOU. It is yours. But you don't HAVE it unless you go take it.

And how do you take something offered to us in the spirit realm. When we want it to be manifested in the physical realm?

 

[wstu]

First off THANKS for all the great input, very much appreciate it. Some good stuff to chew on.

I do not worry so much about watching every little comment I make.

I certainly agree you should not worry but at least be mindful. We are to take EVERY thought captive and I believe one reason is so we guard what comes out of your mouth since death and live is in the power of the tongue. Not to mention the verse that talks about idle talk, Matt 12:26

No Bob - I see it exactly the way you do. I think sometimes teachings on Faith and Words can border New Age Superstition. Does everyone who has ever confessed statements like those actually DIE?

Kenneth E. Hagin told a story of a young man who for years said he would die before he was 30. He believed it and it came to passed. I believe our words are way more powerful than we think or know. God created all that we know via spoken words and we are made in his image.

But she and Ken attribute her repeated speaking of this phrase to the calling of a tornado to themselves. To put it bluntly: I think that's malarky.

I personally will not go as far as it is malarky but the Word clearly warns us to watch what we say.

Thanks again everyone for you thoughts. I am new to this forum and I look forward to learning more about His word and very much appreciate those who are willing to share in a loving way.

Blessings

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

And how do you take something offered to us in the spirit realm. When we want it to be manifested in the physical realm?

By faith, of course.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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When faith is real and it is put into action, then it is the substance, the evidence. The things not seen that are waiting in the spirit realm, that are appropriated to us, are there for manifestation.

In the theme of this thread I'm wondering if you aren't trying to get me to say that "we speak it [into existence]." But this leaves the mute Christian at a loss if we want to understand this as audible, spoken language (or tongues).

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

Thanks again everyone for you thoughts. I am new to this forum and I look forward to learning more about His word and very much appreciate those who are willing to share in a loving way.

Well welcome to the forum. Looking forward to your input.

God bless you!!!

 

[Scottmcc1]

I was just finishing "The Laws of Prosperity" by Kenneth Copeland
His answer to receive from our account in heaven I think is applicable to any thing we are having faith for.

The 3 ways to receive are:
Agree in prayer. Matthew 18:19,20
Power of Confession Mark 11:22-24; 2 Cor 10:3-5
Power of Expectation Heb 1:3; Zech 1:12

Confession has to be a confession of faith/belief to receive.
The mute Christian can think in his mind/heart which is where we will speak from if we believe.


And wstu welcome to the forums.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

Confession has to be a confession of faith/belief to receive.
The mute Christian can think in his mind/heart which is where we will speak from if we believe.

So, if the mute believer "can think in his mind," then can a speaking person do the same? And if so, is there a difference? (Careful, if the answer to this last is 'yes' then I will ask if there is a difference in the faith/manifestation "ability" of the speaking vs the mute.)

God is no respector of persons!

 

[now faith]

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law,death,sickness poverty.
When Christians are afflicted, they accept the full gauntlet at times.
Faith in Christ gives us the ability to overcome,we do not deny our affliction, we deny their right through faith.
The same Spirit that raised Christ from death,indwells those in Christ,how we carry the spirit is up to the individual.)

 

[Scottmcc1]

So, if the mute believer "can think in his mind," then can a speaking person do the same? And if so, is there a difference? (Careful, if the answer to this last is 'yes' then I will ask if there is a difference in the faith/manifestation "ability" of the speaking vs the mute.)

God is no respector of persons!

I don't think there is a formula. What is at issue is the attitude of the heart. What happens with a formula is a law is created. The Spirit and law don't mix.
The letter of the law kills but the Spirit gives life.

A person would speak if they believed. If they aren't speaking, they should ask why they aren't speaking.

 

[now faith]

Our words stem from our heart,so to speak healing or sickness we first believe in our heart.
This is why God's word cautions us.
Our lord said it is not what gos into a mans mouth,but what comes out.

 

[mammut]

also I think it's important to not go too far ...

eg: if I have a cough, I have a cough

if someone (your wife or your child or your parent) asks you if you have a cough then it would be lying saying you don't if you do; same with pain or any other symptom

it's the same as Kaleb and Joshua saying: "There are no giants in the land" when they were giants in the land ...

I think our confession should be simply: "but I believe I am healed (i have been healed) based on the word of God".

And it shall come to pass. Or ... and it's already coming to pass.

Same as Joshua and Kaleb said: "but they (the giants) will be bread for us"

Now whether the last statement comes to pass depends on a few things and is a separate topic talked in other threads.