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Hi everyone,
I would really appreciate if you took the time to read this!
I was a Catholic; now I'm an atheist. The transition was slow, and it began when certain parts of Christianity began to shake my faith. For example, if non-believers end up in hell, as I had been taught in catechism class, how is that fair to people who have never even had the opportunity to be exposed religion? Why do people suffer so much if a Christian god actually exists? And what's the deal with the homophobia? I have been told god loves all his creations - if he does, his actions don't always show it.
Anyway, these questions troubled me so much that I went on to pursue the truth. My faith disappeared pretty quickly after I began to do some research online. At first, I was uncomfortable with the idea that there may not be a god, now, I am uncomfortable with the idea of there being one. In my eyes, the idea of nothingness after death makes life infinitely more precious. Conversely, the idea of my fate being in the hands of a god who watches me constantly and dictates how I live my life lest I spend the afterlife in eternal suffering - that is not so appealing.
You identify as Christians because you came upon Christianity or because you were raised in it. Had you been born elsewhere, you might be a Muslim or a Buddhist. What grounds do you have for asserting that Christianity is the "correct" religion?
Furthermore, I do think that belief is not a choice. My beliefs are shaped by my environment, and of course by the subconscious functions of my mind. I can't just decide to believe in god if I don't actually believe. Can you "just decide" to believe in unicorns? My beliefs would shift only if I were offered evidence or a compelling argument.
SO, can anyone offer a non-believer any compelling arguments/evidence for God or for religion?
I've heard all the compelling atheist arguments, now I think it is only fair I hear the Christian side of things too.
I look forward to reading what anyone has to say!
Wow, this was a really good response .. I just had to add how much this can speak to anyone, rather new Christians, atheist, whomever ... Can get something from this.Many good points made above, and I also thank the posters for their graceful contributions. I also agree that the answers given in God's Word are freely available for those who seek and are willing to accept them. If you seek evidence, it has already been given. Your acceptance of these examples as evidence are entirely up to you and your worldview. Should you wish to weigh your options for belief, my earnest suggestion is for you to educate yourself thoroughly concerning all of them.
Philosophy would be a great place to start. Consider that any path you choose requires a belief of some sort in something you cannot prove. Do you believe that insufficient evidence has been presented for the existence of God? Consider, then, that the signature of an intelligent creator has been printed on every one of your cells and in your very mind. If chance and randomness created you, why then can we depend on consistency and predictability in our observations? If we can only prove that which we can sense, where do numbers and arithmetic come from? Neither are concrete and any proof presupposes their existence. Can you prove your own thoughts and emotions? How did atoms and chemical processes combine to create the very intelligence required of you to even ask the question? Are you a brain or a mind? If you are a brain, then how is it you either are or are not when your brain can function in percentages? Scientists describe what they see, and science is not in contest with the bible. God explains.
If philosophy is not your pursuit, try history. The existence of Christ is considered fact among authorities of ancient texts. He lived, was crucified, died, and His friends as well as enemies believe strongly that He was raised from the dead. You will have great difficulty finding any active university professor whose specialty is ancient history denying any of these facts. There are a very limited number of explanations available to satisfy all four elements.
If you don't like history, try morality. What is right and wrong? Is right whatever you decide it is? Then right is whatever I decide also. I decide that it's OK to cut babies into little pieces. I would venture to guess that if you think it's also OK you don't need education; you need therapy. If there is no absolute right or wrong, then I get to be in front of you in line because that's what's good for me. If there are absolute rights and wrongs, then someone must have made them from the beginning.
I could go on, but my point is that evidence already exists. Evidence doesn't convince; otherwise Judas would not have betrayed Jesus. I doubt any Christian here believes just because the universe is such an awesome place that someone must have created it. What you seek is not evidence. You seek an audience. So did Job. However, he never cursed God and still got put in his place. God will meet you where you are, but He gave all. What are you giving? How much skin do you have in the game?
we have free will and it must be testedWhy do people suffer so much if a Christian god actually exists?
Hi everyone,
I would really appreciate if you took the time to read this!
I was a Catholic; now I'm an atheist. The transition was slow, and it began when certain parts of Christianity began to shake my faith. For example, if non-believers end up in hell, as I had been taught in catechism class, how is that fair to people who have never even had the opportunity to be exposed religion?
Why do people suffer so much if a Christian god actually exists?
And what's the deal with the homophobia? I have been told god loves all his creations - if he does, his actions don't always show it.
You identify as Christians because you came upon Christianity or because you were raised in it. Had you been born elsewhere, you might be a Muslim or a Buddhist. What grounds do you have for asserting that Christianity is the "correct" religion?
A good religion promotes the idea of living a good and moral life whereas no religion has no moral guideline and no punishment if one chooses to be immortal.SO, can anyone offer a non-believer any compelling arguments/evidence for God or for religion?
we are all sinnersAnd what's the deal with the homophobia? I have been told god loves all his creations - if he does, his actions don't always show it.
it really comes down to what you wantFurthermore, I do think that belief is not a choice. My beliefs are shaped by my environment, and of course by the subconscious functions of my mind. I can't just decide to believe in god if I don't actually believe.
most believe in God in some wayYou identify as Christians because you came upon Christianity or because you were raised in it. Had you been born elsewhere, you might be a Muslim or a Buddhist. What grounds do you have for asserting that Christianity is the "correct" religion?
Yup ^^^Hi there; good to see you; God bless His Word to you.
Hebrews 11.6 says: 'He that comes to God, must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him'. So you will see my logic when I politely decline to argue with you.
(If you're interested in the broader context of what this verse is saying, do read the whole chapter. Thanks.)
Hi everyone,
I would really appreciate if you took the time to read this!
I was a Catholic; now I'm an atheist. The transition was slow, and it began when certain parts of Christianity began to shake my faith. For example, if non-believers end up in hell, as I had been taught in catechism class, how is that fair to people who have never even had the opportunity to be exposed religion? Why do people suffer so much if a Christian god actually exists? And what's the deal with the homophobia? I have been told god loves all his creations - if he does, his actions don't always show it.
Hi, I'm a disciple of Jesus and his original, pre-cross gospel. But I agree with your observations. I believe the Bible was written by holy men, some more holy than others, with various agendas in different ages, then edited and redacted further by holy men with still more diverse agendas. Christianity is a religion about Jesus, not necessarily the religion of Jesus. The religion of Jesus was spiritual, generic and could have improved many religions in the world towards a more unified co-existence, but unfortunately things changed after Jesus left. Fragmented Christianity is sect divided, as you say, one can see just how Christians treat each other on this forum.
Honestly though, I doubt there is anything I can say that will penetrate your heart. But religion does work to preserve values and if you think for a moment, you have a mind conscious of values, consistency and reason. That's why the inconsistency of religious dogma and religious people offends your sincere sensibilities. The reason for your consciousness and discernment is because you are yourself a child of the Living God, a fair and loving God, a good God. He is within you. So you don't need me to convince you of my concept of God, you already have one. Follow it, grow with it, let it continue to guide your conscience. If then you seek this God within your heart you will have already found him.
I was a Catholic; now I'm an atheist. The transition was slow, and it began when certain parts of Christianity began to shake my faith. For example, if non-believers end up in hell, as I had been taught in catechism class, how is that fair to people who have never even had the opportunity to be exposed religion? Why do people suffer so much if a Christian god actually exists? And what's the deal with the homophobia? I have been told god loves all his creations - if he does, his actions don't always show it.
You identify as Christians because you came upon Christianity or because you were raised in it. Had you been born elsewhere, you might be a Muslim or a Buddhist.
Jesus spoke more about hell than He did of Heaven.for the moment I will address this one point
-no one will spend their afterlife in eternal suffering
-the second death assures that
for the moment I will address this one point
-no one will spend their afterlife in eternal suffering
-the second death assures that
-there are many other passages in the bible that confirms this
-so there is no valid reason why this should factor in you unbelief
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I just did a big clean up. This is a no debate area. And the only non-Christians who can post are the OP's. Also, you may only respond to the OP, not to the other responders.
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