Conversion to Islam

[repentant]

What is that verse that says once one knows the Truth and rejects it..he is worst off than he was before he knew it...?

All I have to say is THANK GOD you were never Baptized and/or Chrismated. Thank God. That will be to your benefit on Judgement Day when you are with your father Mohammed and the other Muslims who will be going to hell with him.

Now you know why the EOC has the Catechumenant is does eh?

Hopefully you change your mind. But I do hope you don't get Baptized for a loooong time even if you do, just in case. I also hope if you do change your mind, you tell your priest of your blasphemy. And if you do become an evil Muslim, make sure when you chop my head off...it's a clean slice.


John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[repentant]

Go Bushmaster

 

[zhilan]

Go Bushmaster

If his actions send someone away from the Holy Orthodox Church that will be on his soul. He has already stated his motives are not to help Michael but for the "fun" of having a few laughs with his TAW buddies. So I cannot say I support the little cheer.

 

[E.C.]

Has this thread been productive at all? All I did was skip a bit and post.

Sure, the guy has run the gauntlet, but still, there is a limit on how much chastisement is really necessary.


Even the heretics were chastised, refuted and then sent into exile, but not killed on the spot (although Arius was punched in the face).

 

[E.C.]

I really think this thread either needs to be moved to St. Justin Martyr's Corner. It is doing no good here. Especially for those who may be lurking.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I don't want Michael to become Muslim anymore than you do, I just think you're methods are unproductive and likely damaging. And I don't believe that Orthodoxy needs to resort to [SIZE=-1]ad hominem attacks or cartoons to defend itself and I believe that doing so insults the Holy Church.

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Since when I put out a disclaimer that my cartoons are out there to dismay Michael/Scott, and are of the Church? You are thinking of a protestant line "Not very like Christ" thing, who is like Christ for heaven's sake? Are you not aware of the fact that decision is made and he is spitting on the faith?

[SIZE=-1]I understand that you have personal issues with Islam and that's your own business.

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[SIZE=-1]I am sorry to have "personal" issues with it, something which you call FALSE and out there to destroy everything holy and life to Christianity, I should have a soft spot for it, nothing personal. You are not a former muslim are you?[/SIZE]

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However, the purpose of this thread is not for you to post your Jack Chick-esque cartoons or to bash on Islam but to reach out to a brother who is struggling and hopefully reach him before he makes a huge mistake.

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He has made the mistake, and he is not of my faith, how is he my brother?

[SIZE=-1]The fact that you try to twist my words into me somehow supporting Michael's conversion or being pro-Islam (as in putting it anywhere near the level of Orthodoxy) is offensive to me.

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[SIZE=-1]Show me where I did this?[/SIZE]
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Why are you responding to my posts instead of Michael's? Why do you feel the need to refute my attempt to dissuade Michael's apostasy?

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[SIZE=-1]I am responding to your posts because yours are the ones that are fundamentally wrong coming from an Orthodox, you are extremely ignorant of Islam and the theology it represents. I am beyond this dude that calls himself Michael. Have you not read his sobering OP?[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=-1] Do you really think that your posts are going to warm his heart towards Christ or Orthodoxy?

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[SIZE=-1]Do you think I am trying? He should definitely stay away from the Holy Orthodox Faith...[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1] How many people are converted by cartoon attacks on their beliefs? [/SIZE]

I don't know, do I look like I am trying to "win" him for Christ? I am still awaiting your answer to my question what you found attacking in the cartoons that are factually WRONG? What is your answer? Are they factually right or wrong?

[SIZE=-1]Edit: On further reading your post I see that your motives are not helping Michael or reaching out to him, in which case I would ask you to remove those cartoons and post them in a seperate thread for you to share your with TAW buddies. [/SIZE]

And I would kindly ask you to stop sympathizing with a FALSE RELIGION, how about that? I have every right NOT TO WANT HIM in my Faith, and I have valid reasons to do so. I am not an evangelical Christian.

[SIZE=-1]Edit Part 2: Stop trying to offer to "take me up" as if I was in ANY SENSE OF THE WORD trying to make claims that the Koran or Islam is correct, if you actually read what I said my entire point is that ISLAM IS A FALSE RELIGION and I do not believe in it, so please, drop it, and leave your personal issues elsewhere. [/SIZE]

Yes, I have heard you said that, but it doesn't add up. Do you know why it is a false religion, are you ready to tell why to this guy?

 

[repentant]

If his actions send someone away from the Holy Orthodox Church that will be on his soul. He has already stated his motives are not to help Michael but for the "fun" of having a few laughs with his TAW buddies. So I cannot say I support the little cheer.

Hmm I missed that. I was reffering to the funny cartoons he posted. Maybe I should read more....anyway, I don't think we can help this poor guy anyway. he has a stupid girlfirend that will stay with him even if he becomes an evil Muslim, and I am sure she nor him has said anything to the Priest.

makes me sick really. I would rather die than become Muslim, and we have some one on here who chooses it. Distgusting. I guess it shows another one of the PROPHETIC points in the Bible (unlike the false koran). Jesus won;t find faith when He returns..that's another point..how can one deny all the Prophecies in the Bible that came true? I guess some prefer the evil and false koran (now I need to wash my mouth, I said it twice) which contradicts itself...

 

[Orthosdoxa]

Michael/Scott - seeing you do this has made me very sad. One more soul for the devil to laugh about. If you ever come back, though, we will kill the fatted calf in celebration of your return, put a robe around your shoulders and a ring on your finger, in celebration of one who was dead now being alive.

This thread needs to die. Michael flippantly informed all and sundry of his decision, started a fire storm that pitted TAW members against each other, is heading off putting his own soul in danger, and is probably negatively affecting lurkers out there. Let's all pray for him and be done with it.

I agree. Mods, can we close this soon? As Paleo said, he was thoroughly admonished, and having continued in his blasphemy, we need to be done with it, and with him, as Scripture says.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

If his actions send someone away from the Holy Orthodox Church that will be on his soul. He has already stated his motives are not to help Michael but for the "fun" of having a few laughs with his TAW buddies. So I cannot say I support the little cheer.

I am not sending anyone away, that person himself ALREADY decided to do so. He did not need your help, he needed an imam pray a "du'a" (now that he can't speak in English, since brainwashing process started he has to speak the language of Allah's paradise, therefore can't say prayer) to open his heart TO ISLAM. HELLO? Do you pray the prayer before taking communion? This person is already an ADVERSARY of our Lord and Savior, stop thinking like an evangelical!!!!!

 

[EricTheRed]

Well if you are converting to Islam. Just dont become a Jihadist.

 

[DarkNLovely]

So, nobody is interested in a sing along? Hey! I know! The Barney Song!

I love you, you love me!
Where a happy family
With a great big hug and a kiss from me to you..........

OK. Who's gonna join me for the end?

 

[zhilan]

Bushmaster,

You need to drop this. I do know why it's a false religion, and if Micheal wants to discuss it with me I will talk to him about it. I have faith in Orthodoxy and I know it is the one true faith and I do not need to be scared or angry at other religions. Islam does not threaten me because I am secure in the truth. It is a false religion just like Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, or any heterodox faith. No more special.

And I must say that I'm rather shocked that you believe in so easily giving up on Christ's ability to redeem. I don't care who he is, I don't care if he becomes Osama bin-Laudins right hand man, I will not and I refuse to believe that he is beyond Christ's reach.

 

[zhilan]

I don't know where you go the idea that Orthodoxy believes in turning it's back on people and throwing up their hands and having a few jokes when someone plans to leave the Church. Where am I thinking like an evangelical?

To me it seems like you are thinking like a Muslim but now in Christian clothing. Drop this, ok. Take your issues elsewhere.

 

[repentant]

Ok now I am back to the "go Bushmaster".

Well if you are converting to Islam. Just dont become a Jihadist.

Then he wouldn't be a true Muslim..I mean why put your soul in jeopardy and convert if your not going to go with it all the way, right?

Don't by into the leftist liberal propaganda that not all Muslims are bad or are terrorists..the fact is..most Muslims are lazy, and don't feel like being terrorists...I think the video and pics of every Muslim country celerating in the streets in 9/11 is a testament that "not all Muslims are bad" is a bunch of garbage...every Muslim would chop your head off when the time comes...

 

[DarkNLovely]

SOMEBODY SING WITH ME DANG IT!

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Hmm I missed that. I was reffering to the funny cartoons he posted. Maybe I should read more....

She is misrepresenting my point, I am shocked to see that, I didn't state that the reason for the cartoons were to laugh at them collectively in an attitude to mock someone. I used the word tragi-comic defining them. I asked her to show any falsehood in the cartoons, but she is way too fixated in saving this dude's soul business... I am upset that she made this personal.

 

[repentant]

SOMEBODY SING WITH ME DANG IT!

hava hagila, hava nagila, hava nagila, venis'mecha!!

Ok maybe it's not really a joyous happy time..

But I refuse to sing the song of that purple demon Barney. He's like a hippy dinosaur from hell..

 

[EricTheRed]

Ok now I am back to the "go Bushmaster".



Then he wouldn't be a true Muslim..I mean why put your soul in jeopardy and convert if your not going to go with it all the way, right?

Don't by into the leftist liberal propaganda that not all Muslims are bad or are terrorists..the fact is..most Muslims are lazy, and don't feel like being terrorists...I think the video and pics of every Muslim country celerating in the streets in 9/11 is a testament that "not all Muslims are bad" is a bunch of garbage...every Muslim would chop your head off when the time comes...

Well I'm being selfish. I just don't want him trying to kill me when Im deployed.

 

[zhilan]

She is misrepresenting my point, I am shocked to see that, I didn't state that the reason for the cartoons were to laugh at them collectively in an attitude to mock someone. I used the word tragi-comic defining them. I asked her to show any falsehood in the cartoons, but she is way too fixated in saving this dude's soul business... I am upset that she made this personal.

Says the king of misrepresenting.

I'm shocked that you don't believe that Michael's soul is worth saving. I'm shocked that you call yourself a Christian and yet believe someone could be outside the reach of Christ. I'm shocked that you could see someone forsake the faith of Christ and decide to post some cartoons for your friends.

 

[DarkNLovely]

hava hagila, hava nagila, hava nagila, venis'mecha!!

Ok maybe it's not really a joyous happy time..

But I refuse to sing the song of that purple demon Barney. He's like a hippy dinosaur from hell..

Yeah! It's hora time! Hey! And let's not forget:

We are the world!

We are the children!

We are the ones to make a better day

So lets start given'!

Anybody else got one?