Continuation of Enoch's Intercalary Lunar Months

[Humble Penny]

In a previous thread I introduced everyone to how Enoch wanted us to properly reconcile the lunar year with the solar year. And in that thread I was just in my intial understanding of what Enoch was wisely telling us which you can view by following the hyperlink:

Introduction to Enoch's Intercalary Lunar Months

In that thread I was under the wrong impression that every 5 Years you intercalate the extra 1 Month/30 Days accrued by the Sun to the previous 3 Year period within that five year cycle. However I found that wasn't in line with this simple formula Enoch was sharing with us:

Solar & Astral Cycle at end of 50 Year Jubilee Cycle
(360 Days x 50 Years) + (4 Seasonal/Intercalary Days x 50 Years) =
18,000 Days + 200 Days = 18,200 Days

Lunar Cycle Reconciled at end of 50 Year Jubilee Cycle
(354 Days x 50 Years) +
(6 Overplus Days x 5 Years x 10 Intercalary Periods) +
(4 Seasonal/Intercalary Days x 50 Years) =
17,700 Days + 300 Days + 200 Days = 18,200 Days

To correctly intercalate the additional 1 Lunar Month you must add them once every 5 Years so that 5 Lunar Years are equal to 5 Solar Years, and this is becuase each year the Sun has an overplus of 6 Days so that after 5 Years the Sun has an overplus of 30 Days/1 Month:

3 Year Cycle
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Sun
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360 Solar Days x 3 Years = 1,080 Solar Days
4 Seasonal Days x 3 Years = 12 Days
1,092 Solar Days

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Moon
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354 Lunar Days x 3 Years = 1,062 Lunar Days
6 Overplus Days x 3 Years = 18 Days
1,080 Lunar Days

5 Year Cycle
====
Sun
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360 Solar Days x 5 Years = 1,800 Solar Days
4 Seasonal Days x 5 Years = 20 Days
1,820 Solar Days

======
Moon
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354 Lunar Days x 5 Years = 1,770 Lunar Days
6 Overplus Days x 5 Years = 30 Days
1,800 Lunar Days + (4 Seasonal Days x 5 Years) =
1,800 Lunar Days + 20 Days = 1,820 Days

Here are two screenshots clearly showing what I have written above:

As everyone can see this is much clearer and perfectly in line with the words of 1 Enoch 74. I must thank brother @daq for sharing his link for the interlinear Ge'ez for the Ethiopic version of 1 Enoch 74 which clearly shows us that the Moon completes all of its years in 364 Days with the Sun and stars:

1 Enoch 74 (Richard Laurence)
1 Enoch 74 (R.H. Charles)
1 Enoch 74 (Ethiopic Interlinear)

The reason why you don't see this in the translation of R.H. Charles is becuase he assumed that since Enoch referred to the Sun and stars completing the year in 364 Days, that the Ethiopic text was in "error" for saying the Moon could do so; and, in the end R.H. Charles ended up in vain concluding that Enoch "must have been following the 8 Year Greek Cycle" without actually being able to prove this. The translation of 1 Enoch done by Richard Laurence (1838 AD) is the only English translation--to my knowledge--to preserve what we read in the Ge'ez text.

In closing I pray this proves useful to everyone wanting to find the truth for themselves about the calendar. This is the way you would properly reconcile the lunar year with true solar year established by YHWH of 360 Days with 4 Intercalary/Seasonal Days reckoned at the end of the year instead of during the year.

 

[daq]

I must thank brother @daq for sharing his link for the interlinear Ge'ez for the Ethiopic version of 1 Enoch 74 which clearly shows us that the Moon completes all of its years in 364 Days with the Sun and stars:

Can you please explain in detail exactly how "the Moon completes all of its years in 364 Days with the Sun and stars"?

Please try to leave out confusing charts, graphs, and language, and simply explain how and why what you claim is true.

The reason why you don't see this in the translation of R.H. Charles is becuase he assumed that since Enoch referred to the Sun and stars completing the year in 364 Days, that the Ethiopic text was in "error" for saying the Moon could do so; and, in the end R.H. Charles ended up in vain concluding that Enoch "must have been following the 8 Year Greek Cycle" without actually being able to prove this.

You sure seem to enjoy lambasting and ridiculing scholars and sages who came before you.

The translation of 1 Enoch done by Richard Laurence (1838 AD) is the only English translation--to my knowledge--to preserve what we read in the Ge'ez text.

Again, the Ge'ez is a translation from one language into another and is flawed. In fact the Book of the Luminaries in the Ethiopic text was greatly abridged and reduced compared to the DSS fragments of the same book. Did you look into the link I also provided to the work of J.T. Milik on this subject?

In closing I pray this proves useful to everyone wanting to find the truth for themselves about the calendar. This is the way you would properly reconcile the lunar year with true solar year established by YHWH of 360 Days with 4 Intercalary/Seasonal Days reckoned at the end of the year instead of during the year.

Again, such a calendar cannot work without some sort of leap year because there are not 364 days in a year but rather more like 365.24219, (the tropical year). How therefore does the moon complete all of its years in 365.24219 days? That one I would love to hear also!

 

[Humble Penny]

Can you please explain in detail exactly how "the Moon completes all of its years in 364 Days with the Sun and stars"?

Please try to leave out confusing charts, graphs, and language, and simply explain how and why what you claim is true.



You sure seem to enjoy lambasting and ridiculing scholars and sages who came before you.



Again, the Ge'ez is a translation from one language into another and is flawed. In fact the Book of the Luminaries in the Ethiopic text was greatly abridged and reduced compared to the DSS fragments of the same book. Did you look into the link I also provided to the work of J.T. Milik on this subject?



Again, such a calendar cannot work without some sort of leap year because there are not 364 days in a year but rather more like 365.24219, (the tropical year). How therefore does the moon complete all of its years in 365.24219 days? That one I would love to hear also!

So what is the highest level of mathematics you completed in school?

 

[daq]

So what is the highest level of mathematics you completed in school?

Lol, do you suppose I stopped learning after finishing school? Are you about to tell me you are a super genius? Why has the topic suddenly become me and my education?

 

[Torah Keeper]

Humble Penny, while I appreciate the online fellowship, it appears that you are making your calendar fit like a square peg in a round hole.

• There is nothing anywhere in the Books of Enoch mentioning intercalary or seasonal days. And adding 4 days is still off by over a day. Shouldn't you be adding 5 or 6 days? Other Enoch calendar people add an intercalary week. In either case it seems that this calendar is in error and you and others trying to follow it are coming up with fixes. The Book of Enoch insists it needs no intercalation.
• Your calendar absolutely ignores the phases of the moon for the timing of Yahweh's Moedim. There is an obvious connection when Matsa is always a full moon, Teruah is always a new moon, Sukkot is always a full moon, and the new year is a new moon. It is as if your calendar was modified from the Romans, as I think they were the first to separate the moon from months and use fiat months based on the status or events of their gods. True months are moons.
• The verse in Joshua where they ate new produce the day after Passover is proof that Passover was on Shabbat on the year they entered the Promised Land. It's not obvious at first glance but if you draw out a timeline of events then Passover had to be the day before the day of Firstfruits for barley. This day is the wave sheaf offering and it's always a Sunday. In your calendar it is impossible for Firstfruits to be the day after Passover.
• There has been a long debate between Jewish groups going way back to the time of Christ and before about certain calendar issues. Not once, in any debate recorded in all history, or in any midrash or talmud, nowhere is your 364 day calendar defended. Correct me if I'm wrong.
• The cycles you mention only line up because you adjust numbers to make them do so. The Metonic cycle lines up very nicely, to thousands of years I believe. But this requires using the moon for months, something you do not do on your calendar. The Metonic cycle is the most accurate way to synchronize the sun and moon.
• Your cycles are using wrong numbers. Solar years are 365.24 days so your 18,200 days should be 18,262. Lunar years are also not always 354 days. They can be 355 days. This is basic astronomy my friend These "perfect cycles" of yours only work with your wacky years. Lol

 

[Humble Penny]

Humble Penny, while I appreciate the online fellowship, it appears that you are making your calendar fit like a square peg in a round hole.

• There is nothing anywhere in the Books of Enoch mentioning intercalary or seasonal days. And adding 4 days is still off by over a day. Shouldn't you be adding 5 or 6 days? Other Enoch calendar people add an intercalary week. In either case it seems that this calendar is in error and you and others trying to follow it are coming up with fixes. The Book of Enoch insists it needs no intercalation.
• Your calendar absolutely ignores the phases of the moon for the timing of Yahweh's Moedim. There is an obvious connection when Matsa is always a full moon, Teruah is always a new moon, Sukkot is always a full moon, and the new year is a new moon. It is as if your calendar was modified from the Romans, as I think they were the first to separate the moon from months and use fiat months based on the status or events of their gods. True months are moons.
• The verse in Joshua where they ate new produce the day after Passover is proof that Passover was on Shabbat on the year they entered the Promised Land. It's not obvious at first glance but if you draw out a timeline of events then Passover had to be the day before the day of Firstfruits for barley. This day is the wave sheaf offering and it's always a Sunday. In your calendar it is impossible for Firstfruits to be the day after Passover.
• There has been a long debate between Jewish groups going way back to the time of Christ and before about certain calendar issues. Not once, in any debate recorded in all history, or in any midrash or talmud, nowhere is your 364 day calendar defended. Correct me if I'm wrong.
• The cycles you mention only line up because you adjust numbers to make them do so. The Metonic cycle lines up very nicely, to thousands of years I believe. But this requires using the moon for months, something you do not do on your calendar. The Metonic cycle is the most accurate way to synchronize the sun and moon.
• Your cycles are using wrong numbers. Solar years are 365.24 days so your 18,200 days should be 18,262. Lunar years are also not always 354 days. They can be 355 days. This is basic astronomy my friend These "perfect cycles" of yours only work with your wacky years. Lol

This is only about how to reconcile the lunar year with the solar year...not the other way around. The solar calendar of YHWH needs no fixing as it is the only calendar which perfectly fits this simple equation:

52 Weeks x 7 Days = 364 Days

Historically speaking it is known that all forms of lunar calendars which don't follow the scheme in this thread are always off. And it is also well known that Solar calendars with years greater than 364 Days are also off...which is why special formulas are created to keep them in alignment with the seasons. The Egyptians were off with 365 Solar Days; Julius Caesar was still off with 365.25 Days; and the Gregorian Calendar is also off and needs adjusting. If your solar year needs adjusting it's broken.

 

[daq]

This is only about how to reconcile the lunar year with the solar year...not the other way around. The solar calendar of YHWH needs no fixing as it is the only calendar which perfectly fits this simple equation:

52 Weeks x 7 Days = 364 Days

Historically speaking it is known that all forms of lunar calendars which don't follow the scheme in this thread are always off. And it is also well known that Solar calendars with years greater than 364 Days are also off...which is why special formulas are created to keep them in alignment with the seasons. The Egpytians we're off with 365 Solar Days; Julius Caesar was still off with 365.25 Days; and the Gregorian Calendar is also off and needs adjusting. If your solar year needs adjusting it's broken.

HP, do you believe the earth is flat? I don't mean this in a mocking way, it's a serious question, the reason being that you would need to completely ignore the rotation of the earth on its axis and the length of the typical solar day in order to believe such a thing. Sefer Henok does not teach a flat earth like so many flat earthers in their videos and blogs like to claim.

Understanding the solar year and the length of a typical solar day is not so easy as one might think. Here is a decent article that tries to make it simple.

How the length of a day changes over the year

 

[Humble Penny]

HP, do you believe the earth is flat? I don't mean this in a mocking way, it's a serious question, the reason being that you would need to completely ignore the rotation of the earth on its axis and the length of the typical solar day in order to believe such a thing. Sefer Henok does not teach a flat earth like so many flat earthers in their videos and blogs like to claim.

Understanding the solar year and the length of a typical solar day is not so easy as one might think. Here is a decent article that tries to make it simple.

How the length of a day changes over the year

Couldn't tell you the shape of the earth. As a matter of fact the Bible never once tells you shape of the earth, however it does tell you that the waters compass the earth (Proverbs 8:27), the luminaries follow a circuit or circle (Psalm 19:1-6), and God sits above the circle of the earth (Isaiah 40:22), and in order for every eye to see the Second Coming of the Lord as spoken in Revelation to happen: the earth cannot be in the shape of a globe. And consider that when God created the luminaries He placed them inside the firmament and not outside of it: therefore the Bible teaches nothing about outer space but everything about innerspace. And lastly God always speaks of the luminaries moving and never the earth...the story of Joshua has God commanding the Sun and Moon to stop moving...not the earth.

 

[daq]

Couldn't tell you the shape of the earth. As a matter of fact the Bible never once tells you shape of the earth, however it does tell you that the waters compass the earth (Proverbs 8:27), the luminaries follow a circuit or circle (Psalm 19:1-6), and God sits above the circle of the earth (Isaiah 40:22), and in order for every eye to see the Second Coming of the Lord as spoken in Revelation to happen: the earth cannot be in the shape of a globe. And consider that when God created the luminaries He placed them inside the firmament and not outside of it: therefore the Bible teaches nothing about outer space but everything about innerspace. And lastly God always speaks of the luminaries moving and never the earth...the story of Joshua has God commanding the Sun and Moon to stop moving...not the earth.

Which are all flat-earth arguments, (and yes, I've talked to quite a few flat-earthers), so I'll take that as an affirmation of your perspective.

 

[Humble Penny]

Which are all flat-earth arguments, (and yes, I've talked to quite a few flat-earthers), so I'll take that as an affirmation of your perspective.

No I don't actually believe the earth to be "flat" for it is clear that we live in a 3-Dimensional world and not a 2-Dimensional world. That being said the only way you could make sense of the Bible using geometrical terms which describe a plane surface is the earth is in the shape of a cube. Now to be fair it's more probably the case that the heavens are actually spherical in nature and not the earth. In the end spheres & cubes, and circles & squares can all be divided evenly into quarters and still meet the 360° Degree requirement:

Circle = 360° Degrees
Square = 360° Degrees

Therefore four quarter turns of each result in the following...

4 Quarters x 90° Degrees = 360° Degrees
360° Degrees x 360° Degrees =
129,600° Degrees

129,600° Degrees ÷ 4 Quarters =
32,400° Degrees

32,400° Degrees ÷ 90° Degrees = 360° Degrees

 

[daq]

No I don't actually believe the earth to be "flat" for it is clear that we live in a 3-Dimensional world and not a 2-Dimensional world. That being said the only way you could make sense of the Bible using geometrical terms which describe a plane surface is the earth is in the shape of a cube. Now to be fair it's more probably the case that the heavens are actually spherical in nature and not the earth. In the end spheres & cubes, and circles & squares can all be divided evenly into quarters and still meet the 360° Degree requirement:

Circle = 360° Degrees
Square = 360° Degrees

Therefore four quarter turns of each result in the following...

4 Quarters x 90° Degrees = 360° Degrees
360° Degrees x 360° Degrees =
129,600° Degrees

129,600° Degrees ÷ 4 Quarters =
32,400° Degrees

32,400° Degrees ÷ 90° Degrees = 360° Degrees

It's the other things you posted that will not allow us to ever see eye to eye on this. The earth isn't stationary: it's spinning on its axis, and this is proven by the equinoxes and by sun dials.

The equinoxes cannot work on any kind of flat earth model and only work on a spinning globe, sphere, or spheroid, and only work with the heliocentric model. This is empirical evidence that cannot be denied: empirical evidence that flat-earthers either ignore or deny to their own detriment. And as for myself I have had enough with arguing and debating flat-earthers who simply refuse to believe empirical evidence and don't want to hear the truth to begin with. And I don't mean that in a rude way either but it simply is what it is.

 

[Humble Penny]

It's the other things you posted that will not allow us to ever see eye to eye on this. The earth isn't stationary: it's spinning on its axis, and this is proven by the equinoxes and by sun dials.

The equinoxes cannot work on any kind of flat earth model and only work on a spinning globe, sphere, or spheroid, and only work with the heliocentric model. This is empirical evidence that cannot be denied: empirical evidence that flat-earthers either ignore or deny to their own detriment. And as for myself I have had enough with arguing and debating flat-earthers who simply refuse to believe empirical evidence and don't want to hear the truth to begin with. And I don't mean that in a rude way either but it simply is what it is.

The truth isn't determined by what two or more people believe to be true...the truth is simply consistent with its own claims and reality. Just show in the story of Joshua that God didn't command the Sun to stop moving and you have a case for a spherical moving earth.

Otherwise you're making your case based on emotion and tradition brother daq. As for sundials it's pretty clear that they follow the same basic principles as levels do:

you need a flat surface which doesn't move.

Also there's a really basic weakness in a spherical earth which many people seem to overlook: the "light side" facing the Sun will be closer to it in terms of distance and degrees while the "dark side" facing away from the Sun will be further away from it in terms of distance and degrees: and this is if you're measuring from the outer part of each speherical body, but if you measure from the center of each spherical body the distance is always the same no matter which side of the spherical earth is facing or not facing the Sun.

 

[Humble Penny]

Food for thought for globalists:

A sphere will never give you a level surface to place your level tool on or draw a straight line: only a plane surface will allow that.

 

[daq]

The truth isn't determined by what two or more people believe to be true...the truth is simply consistent with its own claims and reality. Just show in the story of Joshua that God didn't command the Sun to stop moving and you have a case for a spherical moving earth.

Otherwise you're making your case based on emotion and tradition brother daq. As for sundials it's pretty clear that they follow the same basic principles as levels do:

you need a flat surface which doesn't move.

Also there's a really basic weakness in a spherical earth which many people seem to overlook: the "light side" facing the Sun will be closer to it in terms of distance and degrees while the "dark side" facing away from the Sun will be further away from it in terms of distance and degrees: and this is if you're measuring from the outer part of each speherical body, but if you measure from the center of each spherical body the distance is always the same no matter which side of the spherical earth is facing or not facing the Sun.

Meh, believe what you will. Maybe someone else will want to discuss or debate these things with you.

 

[Humble Penny]

Meh, believe what you will. Maybe someone else will want to discuss or debate these things with you.

I'm not sure why you treat this thread as a "debate" when all I've done is just apply common sense to this subject. Historically the heliocentric model came much later in history after the Bible had been long in existence, and you cannot find a single verse in the Bible which supports such a model.

And while Eratosthenes is the first to propose a globular earth: his findings were based on assumptions and not him having actually confirmed the shape of the earth by traveling and measuring it point by point. The Bible on the other hand tells us no man has been able to measure the earth or the heavens:

"Thus says the Lord, “If the heavens above can be measured And the foundations of the earth searched out below, Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel For all that they have done,” declares the Lord."
Jeremiah 31:37 NASB1995

“Can you discover the depths of God? Can you discover the limits of the Almighty? They are high as the heavens, what can you do? Deeper than Sheol, what can you know? Its measure is longer than the earth And broader than the sea."
Job 11:7‭-‬9 NASB1995

Clearly only God knows the true measure of the heavens, the earth, and the seas. The fact that man hasn't been able to measure the whole ocean or the sky is proof that we haven't been to the extreme bounds of the earth or reached its bottom either. Scripture does however tell us that the distance from North to South is the same as the distance from East to West:

"For as high as the heavens are above the earth, So great is His lovingkindness toward those who fear Him. As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us."
Psalms 103:11‭-‬12 NASB1995

This is true because if one of the distances is greater than the other then we should only read of one of them, and not both. Because of this then we can look at the Sun in the East at morning, and in the West at evening because the horizon obstructs it's light from our view; but, when the Sun is in the sky then we cannot bear to view it because there is nothing obstructing it's light or our view.

Because of all these biblical truths the cosmology of man is faulty and built on rubbish.

 

[daq]

I'm not sure why you treat this thread as a "debate" when all I've done is just apply common sense to this subject. Historically the heliocentric model came much later in history after the Bible had been long in existence, and you cannot find a single verse in the Bible which supports such a model.

I said discuss or debate and I included debate simply because flat earth -vs- globe earth is such a hotly contested issue in the past few years. It almost always turns into a fierce debate and usually ends up getting personal. None of this means that I "treat" your thread as a debate or any other way in particular. Why would you assume the worst and ignore the fact that first I used the word discuss?

And while Eratosthenes is the first to propose a globular earth: his findings were based on assumptions and not him having actually confirmed the shape of the earth by traveling and measuring it point by point. The Bible on the other hand tells us no man has been able to measure the earth or the heavens:

"Thus says the Lord, “If the heavens above can be measured And the foundations of the earth searched out below, Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel For all that they have done,” declares the Lord."
Jeremiah 31:37 NASB1995

“Can you discover the depths of God? Can you discover the limits of the Almighty? They are high as the heavens, what can you do? Deeper than Sheol, what can you know? Its measure is longer than the earth And broader than the sea."
Job 11:7‭-‬9 NASB1995

Clearly only God knows the true measure of the heavens, the earth, and the seas. The fact that man hasn't been able to measure the whole ocean or the sky is proof that we haven't been to the extreme bounds of the earth or reached its bottom either. Scripture does however tell us that the distance from North to South is the same as the distance from East to West:

"For as high as the heavens are above the earth, So great is His lovingkindness toward those who fear Him. As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us."
Psalms 103:11‭-‬12 NASB1995

This is true because if one of the distances is greater than the other then we should only read of one of them, and not both. Because of this then we can look at the Sun in the East at morning, and in the West at evening because the horizon obstructs it's light from our view; but, when the Sun is in the sky then we cannot bear to view it because there is nothing obstructing it's light or our view.

Because of all these biblical truths the cosmology of man is faulty and built on rubbish.

This is the same thing flat-earthers always do. I already pointed you in the right direction if indeed you truly wish to find the truth.

Dear reader: if you are interested in such a discussion as the flat-earth theory, and would like to save yourself copious amounts of time in research and study, ignore all of the flat-earth fluff and go directly into researching the equinox and why it happens, and how it is explained by science, for it utterly debunks flat-earth theory. You cannot have an equinox on a flat earth with a sun circling above the earth inside a dome or firmament: it simply isn't possible, you would need multiple suns.

 

[Filippus]

No I don't actually believe the earth to be "flat" for it is clear that we live in a 3-Dimensional world and not a 2-Dimensional world. That being said the only way you could make sense of the Bible using geometrical terms which describe a plane surface is the earth is in the shape of a cube. Now to be fair it's more probably the case that the heavens are actually spherical in nature and not the earth. In the end spheres & cubes, and circles & squares can all be divided evenly into quarters and still meet the 360° Degree requirement:

Circle = 360° Degrees
Square = 360° Degrees

Therefore four quarter turns of each result in the following...

4 Quarters x 90° Degrees = 360° Degrees
360° Degrees x 360° Degrees =
129,600° Degrees

129,600° Degrees ÷ 4 Quarters =
32,400° Degrees

32,400° Degrees ÷ 90° Degrees = 360° Degrees

Still gobbledygook

 

[Filippus]

I'm not sure why you treat this thread as a "debate" when all I've done is just apply common sense to this subject. Historically the heliocentric model came much later in history after the Bible had been long in existence, and you cannot find a single verse in the Bible which supports such a model.

And while Eratosthenes is the first to propose a globular earth: his findings were based on assumptions and not him having actually confirmed the shape of the earth by traveling and measuring it point by point. The Bible on the other hand tells us no man has been able to measure the earth or the heavens:

"Thus says the Lord, “If the heavens above can be measured And the foundations of the earth searched out below, Then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel For all that they have done,” declares the Lord."
Jeremiah 31:37 NASB1995

“Can you discover the depths of God? Can you discover the limits of the Almighty? They are high as the heavens, what can you do? Deeper than Sheol, what can you know? Its measure is longer than the earth And broader than the sea."
Job 11:7‭-‬9 NASB1995

Clearly only God knows the true measure of the heavens, the earth, and the seas. The fact that man hasn't been able to measure the whole ocean or the sky is proof that we haven't been to the extreme bounds of the earth or reached its bottom either. Scripture does however tell us that the distance from North to South is the same as the distance from East to West:

"For as high as the heavens are above the earth, So great is His lovingkindness toward those who fear Him. As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us."
Psalms 103:11‭-‬12 NASB1995

This is true because if one of the distances is greater than the other then we should only read of one of them, and not both. Because of this then we can look at the Sun in the East at morning, and in the West at evening because the horizon obstructs it's light from our view; but, when the Sun is in the sky then we cannot bear to view it because there is nothing obstructing it's light or our view.

Because of all these biblical truths the cosmology of man is faulty and built on rubbish.

Because you don't discuss.

 

[Humble Penny]

I said discuss or debate and I included debate simply because flat earth -vs- globe earth is such a hotly contested issue in the past few years. It almost always turns into a fierce debate and usually ends up getting personal. None of this means that I "treat" your thread as a debate or any other way in particular. Why would you assume the worst and ignore the fact that first I used the word discuss?



This is the same thing flat-earthers always do. I already pointed you in the right direction if indeed you truly wish to find the truth.

Dear reader: if you are interested in such a discussion as the flat-earth theory, and would like to save yourself copious amounts of time in research and study, ignore all of the flat-earth fluff and go directly into researching the equinox and why it happens, and how it is explained by science, for it utterly debunks flat-earth theory. You cannot have an equinox on a flat earth with a sun circling above the earth inside a dome or firmament: it simply isn't possible, you would need multiple suns.

Here you go again assuming to know what I claim to believe about biblical cosmology by lumping me in with the rest of the flat earth people, when I made it clear I don't believe in such a model or a globe model because the Bible doesn't tell you the shape of the earth.

 

[Humble Penny]

Still gobbledygook

Well brother if you can provide Scripture which proves the shape of the earth, then I'm open to hearing it. Otherwise since it's clear that the Bible doesn't support a globe earth or a heliocentric model that means we have to rethink our understanding of what the Bible is actually communicating, and in many cases this means we'll have to correct our mathematical and scientific understandings.