Constitution of the U.S

[timtams]

Yes, Greek and Roman but also a great deal from "The Great Law" of the Six Nations Confederacy.

I've heard that view and understand that it is disputed. I doubt it myself, though I have no conceptual issue with it. Does this tie in with other views you hold on prophecy or other issues or is it just something you are convinced of on historical grounds?

 

[JackRT]

I've heard that view and understand that it is disputed. I doubt it myself, though I have no conceptual issue with it. Does this tie in with other views you hold on prophecy or other issues or is it just something you are convinced of on historical grounds?

I have no idea where or if prophesy is involved but I wrote that post on historical grounds.

 

[Davy]

God ordained the founding of the United States of America.

If you brethren knew your OT Bible history that Jacob's seed was to become a company of nations, then you would understand why... The Gospel mainly was taken to the Gentiles living in the West, and it was the countries in the West that became the first Christian nations of history. Joseph's birthright fell upon his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, and that's where it still is today, in the Christian west. By understanding that Birthright history from God, is how to come to the realization of the founding of the United States of America as a Christian nation.

 

[JackRT]

God ordained the founding of the United States of America.

If you brethren knew your OT Bible history that Jacob's seed was to become a company of nations, then you would understand why... The Gospel mainly was taken to the Gentiles living in the West, and it was the countries in the West that became the first Christian nations of history. Joseph's birthright fell upon his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, and that's where it still is today, in the Christian west. By understanding that Birthright history from God, is how to come to the realization of the founding of the United States of America as a Christian nation.

I disagree on almost every point you made.

 

[Davy]

I disagree on almost every point you made.

Disagree all you want. That doesn't disprove anything.

And by the way, Canada was in that establishing of Jacob's company of nations also.

 

[timtams]

God ordained the founding of the United States of America.

If you brethren knew your OT Bible history that Jacob's seed was to become a company of nations, then you would understand why... The Gospel mainly was taken to the Gentiles living in the West, and it was the countries in the West that became the first Christian nations of history. Joseph's birthright fell upon his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, and that's where it still is today, in the Christian west. By understanding that Birthright history from God, is how to come to the realization of the founding of the United States of America as a Christian nation.

You're like the Mormons with your extra biblical America worship. It's not a Christian nation. A Christian nation doesn't have a capital modeled on ancient pagan Rome full of secret society imagery like the obelisk. It is the world leader in exporting moral decadence through pop culture. That's why Islamic countries hate it.It poisons the world through its genetic modification of food (Monsanto) and it has brought "fire from heaven" upon the countries of the world for the past sixty years. It interferes with other country's political systems and manipulates the world economy through the dollar standard, bombing and destroying countries like Libya that threaten to come off of it. It is Babylonian, not Christian.

 

[timtams]

Seems that you hold to the discredited theory that America is the physical descendant of the lost tribes. Perhaps America was ordained by God. A nation born in rebellion against the king by enlightenment men attempting to create a second Atlantis, a utopian home of the Novus ordo saeclorum (new order of the ages), which brings fire from heaven and whose government is a living image of pagan republican Rome.

 

[JackRT]

It poisons the world through its genetic modification of food (Monsanto)

Genetic modification of both plants and animals has been going on for at least ten thousand years. Have mistakes been made? Yes, but without GM there would be widespread starvation. Other than this, I agree completely with your last post.

 

[Davy]

You're like the Mormons with your extra biblical America worship. It's not a Christian nation. A Christian nation doesn't have a capital modeled on ancient pagan Rome full of secret society imagery like the obelisk. It is the world leader in exporting moral decadence through pop culture. That's why Islamic countries hate it.It poisons the world through its genetic modification of food (Monsanto) and it has brought "fire from heaven" upon the countries of the world for the past sixty years. It interferes with other country's political systems and manipulates the world economy through the dollar standard, bombing and destroying countries like Libya that threaten to come off of it. It is Babylonian, not Christian.

Can't compare today's America with Colonial Christian America and the days of the founding fathers. Even my childhood era of the late 50's was not as radical as today's!

 

[JackRT]

Can't compare today's America with Colonial Christian America and the days of the founding fathers. Even my childhood era of the late 50's was not as radical as today's!

The most radical era in the history of the USA was in revolutionary times. They were challenging the entire civil order. Jesus was a radical too.

 

[Davy]

The most radical era in the history of the USA was in revolutionary times. They were challenging the entire civil order. Jesus was a radical too.

Your definition of radical must be different from mine.

The most radical era in American history was in the 19th century when the bankers took control of the United States of America. Like Apostle Paul said, the love of money is the root of all evil. Whoever controls the money, controls the power.

 

[JackRT]

Your definition of radical must be different from mine.

It certainly is. There are several definitions of the word "radical". The one that fits our conversation is "favoring drastic political, economic, or social reforms". That certainly fits both Jesus and the American Revolution.

The most radical era in American history was in the 19th century when the bankers took control of the United States of America. Like Apostle Paul said, the love of money is the root of all evil. Whoever controls the money, controls the power.

I would describe that era as a combination of fascism and oligarchy --- the exact opposite of radical.

 

[Davy]

It certainly is. There are several definitions of the word "radical". The one that fits our conversation is "favoring drastic political, economic, or social reforms". That certainly fits both Jesus and the American Revolution.


I would describe that era as a combination of fascism and oligarchy --- the exact opposite of radical.

Any idea that leaves God's Ways is what I define as 'radical'.

So what the early American colonists did by refusing to be ruled by king George, was that a radical working? No, because God ordained the separation. He was behind it, just as He also broke old Israel into two separate kingdoms in Solomon's days! He did it for His Purpose, which already I can tell with trying to converse with you, you are not able to understand that, and why that was not your idea radicalism.

Some in ignorance think 'radical' can only mean social change, like a communist revolutionary! Sorry, the American colonists were NOT atheists, not communists, thus not revolutionaries in that sense. To be a true communist, one must be an atheist.

 

[JackRT]

Any idea that leaves God's Ways is what I define as 'radical'.

So what the early American colonists did by refusing to be ruled by king George, was that a radical working? No, because God ordained the separation. He was behind it, just as He also broke old Israel into two separate kingdoms in Solomon's days! He did it for His Purpose, which already I can tell with trying to converse with you, you are not able to understand that, and why that was not your idea radicalism.

Some in ignorance think 'radical' can only mean social change, like a communist revolutionary! Sorry, the American colonists were NOT atheists, not communists, thus not revolutionaries in that sense. To be a true communist, one must be an atheist.

That is complete speculation on your part based on an unholy linkage of your religious fervor and your misplaced patriotism.

 

[Arcangl86]

God ordained the founding of the United States of America.

If you brethren knew your OT Bible history that Jacob's seed was to become a company of nations, then you would understand why... The Gospel mainly was taken to the Gentiles living in the West, and it was the countries in the West that became the first Christian nations of history. Joseph's birthright fell upon his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, and that's where it still is today, in the Christian west. By understanding that Birthright history from God, is how to come to the realization of the founding of the United States of America as a Christian nation.

The first Christian nation was Armenia, which is not a Western nation.

 

[Davy]

The first Christian nation was Armenia, which is not a Western nation.

history of that please?

 

[Arcangl86]

Armenia adopted Christianity as the state religion in 301 AD, 80 years before Rome did. https://www.ewtn.com/library/CHISTORY/armenia.htm Is a good summary of that. Some think Edessa adopted Christianity even earlier, but there isn't much agreement on that.

 

[Davy]

Armenia adopted Christianity as the state religion in 301 AD, 80 years before Rome did. https://www.ewtn.com/library/CHISTORY/armenia.htm Is a good summary of that. Some think Edessa adopted Christianity even earlier, but there isn't much agreement on that.

https://britishchristianhistory.wordpress.com/tag/culdee-church/

http://celticsaints.org/2011/0630a.html

Sorry bro, I believe the early Culdee Church in Britain has got that beat.

Apostle Paul mentioned Linus in 2 Timothy 4. He was the son of king Caractacus of Britain, and princess Claudia was daughter of Caractacus, and Pudens was a Roman officer assigned in Britain. Puden's house in Rome became the first Church meeting place where Apostle Paul appointed Linus the first bishop of Rome.

 

[Arcangl86]

https://britishchristianhistory.wordpress.com/tag/culdee-church/

http://celticsaints.org/2011/0630a.html

Sorry bro, I believe the early Culdee Church in Britain has got that beat.

Apostle Paul mentioned Linus in 2 Timothy 4. He was the son of king Caractacus of Britain, and princess Claudia was daughter of Caractacus, and Pudens was a Roman officer assigned in Britain. Puden's house in Rome became the first Church meeting place where Apostle Paul appointed Linus the first bishop of Rome.

Linus being the first Bishop of Rome after the Apostles is established as being likely. However the Liber Pontificalis which is the only historical record we have of Linus lists him as Italian, born to Herculanus in Volterra. And regardless, you were talking about the first Christian nation, and Britain couldn't have been a Christian nation before Armenia, because it was part of Rome into the 400s.

 

[Davy]

Linus being the first Bishop of Rome after the Apostles is established as being likely. However the Liber Pontificalis which is the only historical record we have of Linus lists him as Italian, born to Herculanus in Volterra. And regardless, you were talking about the first Christian nation, and Britain couldn't have been a Christian nation before Armenia, because it was part of Rome into the 400s.

Well, since you just disregard the British Christian history altogether, discussion over. You can believe all the hot air castles you want.