Constantine

[Caylin]

We humans can actually give permission for angels to interfere, it all has to do with prayer.

Course that doesn't mean they will bother responding. Most of the time the terminal cancer still kills or the tsunami kills everyone you know.

 

[Dak man]

I thought it was a good movie. The only thing I hated was the 'working your way into heaven' part. Don't people realize that one can not gain brownie points with God. Salvation is by grace not works.

I thought that was the entire point of the story. He tried to work his way in, and was still going to go to hell until instead of getting an extension on his life he chose to die then and save Isabel from eternal damnation. It was only after he did started to understand the sacrifice and thats why God was going to let him back into his graces. Thats how I read it anyways. I thought it was kinda funny that the Devil saved his life in hopes that he would reverse his new trend of helping others.

 

[FoogieFighters]

Dark Man, I love your signature! I put it in my AIM profile! ( I hope that's okay lol!)

 

[Letalis]

Dark Man, I love your signature! I put it in my AIM profile! ( I hope that's okay lol!)

Heh, yeah, a lot of people seem to have it. It's by Gandhi.

 

[VeronicasImage]

this was an exciting ,cool film and some take it way too seriously,go have some fun! my teenage son and his friends took me with them and we had some laughs some..wows and cools!!! its good filming,good stuff even if you think you're tired of keanu reeves or the story line about good and evil go see it for the entertainment sense

 

[CWLite]

Course that doesn't mean they will bother responding. Most of the time the terminal cancer still kills or the tsunami kills everyone you know.

Well, ultimately w don't call the shots, but the big guy upstairs. It is a two way street.

 

[CWLite]

I thought that was the entire point of the story. He tried to work his way in, and was still going to go to hell until instead of getting an extension on his life he chose to die then and save Isabel from eternal damnation. It was only after he did started to understand the sacrifice and thats why God was going to let him back into his graces. Thats how I read it anyways. I thought it was kinda funny that the Devil saved his life in hopes that he would reverse his new trend of helping others.

I think the devil had no choice, God ordered him to do it. I believe he said "You must live" with a face of disgust while looking up to heaven. John was saved because he gave his life for another, so he received life. It is a sowing and reaping law in Christianity.

 

[Wroth]

My take on Satan saving Constantine was bitterness. Had he allowed Constantine to die there, Constantine was in heaven. However, since, as they said, Constantine was the soul that Lucifer himself would come up to claim, I think Lucifer would be a bit ticked off about that. So he denied Constantine his entrance at that point in hopes that Constantine would screw up and be condemned to hell again.

 

[Lithium Hobo]

My take on Satan saving Constantine was bitterness. Had he allowed Constantine to die there, Constantine was in heaven. However, since, as they said, Constantine was the soul that Lucifer himself would come up to claim, I think Lucifer would be a bit ticked off about that. So he denied Constantine his entrance at that point in hopes that Constantine would screw up and be condemned to hell again.

Exactly the case. God had no hand in it.

 

[Gil-Galad12]

Hmmmm, but what if you died in a landfill, or an iron smelter? Would there be a heavenly version of that landfill?

I know, I know, it's only for cinematic reasons, I wouldn't expect heaven to in any way reflect the world surrounding us. Just something to think about.

 

[JStorm]

My take on Satan saving Constantine was bitterness. Had he allowed Constantine to die there, Constantine was in heaven. However, since, as they said, Constantine was the soul that Lucifer himself would come up to claim, I think Lucifer would be a bit ticked off about that. So he denied Constantine his entrance at that point in hopes that Constantine would screw up and be condemned to hell again.

Satan saving Constantine?

God saved him. Constantine clearly looked up and said, "I really need Your help now."(or something like that) But, my point is, he asked God. Then he comitted suicide(that being the catholic "mortal" sin) and satan came up to come get him(as you said). But having bitterness. No, no my friend. That was the salvation point. He(Constantine) knew what he was doing. By commited suicide(catholic "mortal" sin), he knew satan would come up to get him, then he(Constantine) could explain the situation and he(Constantine) would trade places with the sister. If anything, have a problem with him getting into heaven by works and not faith. Sacrifice is a work, not faith.

Over all, I enjoyed the movie. I was not to big on Gaberials choices(being as he/she/it would never do that) but, over all, loved it. Reasons: Cool visuals, great story, and they used words and phrases that I have never heard on the silver sceen. IE, salvation through Jesus, sanctification, He is the way, the truth, and the life, etc.

JS

 

[Dizzy]

Hmmmm, but what if you died in a landfill, or an iron smelter? Would there be a heavenly version of that landfill?
I know, I know, it's only for cinematic reasons, I wouldn't expect heaven to in any way reflect the world surrounding us. Just something to think about.

If you die in the landfill, you will come out of the landfill to see hell... Hell is on earth...Constantine was in a building when he suicided, so he did'nt see the outside, but when God was taking him, he was getting lifted up into heaven, so heaven is no where on earth... And Satan was'nt saving him from death, he was saying constantine was his and he can't go to heaven, so he poured out all the tar from the ciggarette smoking from his chest,he had done, and brought him back in hopes of him denying God again...

 

[Lithium Hobo]

Satan saving Constantine?

God saved him. Constantine clearly looked up and said, "I really need Your help now."(or something like that) But, my point is, he asked God. Then he comitted suicide(that being the catholic "mortal" sin) and satan came up to come get him(as you said). But having bitterness. No, no my friend. That was the salvation point. He(Constantine) knew what he was doing. By commited suicide(catholic "mortal" sin), he knew satan would come up to get him, then he(Constantine) could explain the situation and he(Constantine) would trade places with the sister. If anything, have a problem with him getting into heaven by works and not faith. Sacrifice is a work, not faith.

Over all, I enjoyed the movie. I was not to big on Gaberials choices(being as he/she/it would never do that) but, over all, loved it. Reasons: Cool visuals, great story, and they used words and phrases that I have never heard on the silver sceen. IE, salvation through Jesus, sanctification, He is the way, the truth, and the life, etc.

JS

Taking it too far. No one expected this movie to be perfect to the faith. Pure and simple, Satan revived Constantine in hopes he'd die in a slip up and go to Hell so he may have ownership of his soul. That's the story of the movie. Apparently not the case if it happened in reality and this was all true, but movies get to have some stretching allowance when it comes to perception of reality.

 

[CWLite]

Taking it too far. No one expected this movie to be perfect to the faith. Pure and simple, Satan revived Constantine in hopes he'd die in a slip up and go to Hell so he may have ownership of his soul. That's the story of the movie. Apparently not the case if it happened in reality and this was all true, but movies get to have some stretching allowance when it comes to perception of reality.

I disagee. Satan healed John because God told him to. The movie recognizes that satan is under God, he is in submission to God.

 

[StAnselm]

It was only after he did started to understand the sacrifice and thats why God was going to let him back into his graces.

Yes, that's what the film was saying, and it's absolute rubbish. We're not saved by sacrificing ourselves. We're saved by trusting in Christ's sacrifice to save us.

the underlining theme was to avoid hell and repent (and you can't earn your way into heaven)

No it wasn't. It started off like that, sure - but then they changed direction mid-film and compromised that idea.

Oh, and while hell was portrayed as being LA, I don't think heaven was.

 

[Lithium Hobo]

I saw the movie again and made sure to listen closely to Gabriel.



*SPOILER WARNING! GO DO SOMETHING ELSE!*














*I SAID GO!*












After listening to Gabriel again, I discovered she didn't turn evil, she just became misguided. She believed that if she allowed Mammon to come onto earth, that mankind would better believe in god and would repent, hense saving them. Gabriel thought she was doing something good for mankind.

 

[Lithium Hobo]

Yes, that's what the film was saying, and it's absolute rubbish. We're not saved by sacrificing ourselves. We're saved by trusting in Christ's sacrifice to save us.



No it wasn't. It started off like that, sure - but then they changed direction mid-film and compromised that idea.

Oh, and while hell was portrayed as being LA, I don't think heaven was.

Hell wasn't just in LA, Hell is everywhere in that movieverse.

 

[heavenliejediofthebeach]

That movie ****ed me off

 

[Lithium Hobo]

That movie ****ed me off

Care to share why?

 

[Dizzy]

I disagee. Satan healed John because God told him to. The movie recognizes that satan is under God, he is in submission to God.

Satan did'nt heal jonh because God told him to, Satan clearly says, "No you belong to me, and pulls out all the tar from the ciggarettes he had smoked out of him and healed him, God was taking John away...