Conservatives Disenfranchised?

[Polycarp_fan]

Hmm. Semi-random observation:

In this thread and the "parallel passage" in the Fundy Zone, we have a lot of Conservative Christians expressing the perception that CF "disses" them.

Meanwhile, in the Forums Closing thread, there seems to be a general consensus that the opposite is true: CF is persecuting liberals and non-Christians.

Any time you ask a "liberal" how can they say they are a Christian when "obviously" what they believe in runs counter to what the Apostles and Jesus teach, then they punch the persecution ticket.

Every single writer in the New Testament represents "conservative" Christian reality.

When that is pointed out to the Humanists that claim that they are Christians, they get all hufffy.

All you can do is pray for these kinds of people.

For example: Jesus taught that "marriage" is a man and a woman. Liberals say Jesus was a liar and didn't mean what he was quoted as saying. Another example: There is no connection between the letter of Paul to Philemon talking about slaves and gay sex.

I don't see how one can be a "Christian" when rejecting Christ Jesus.

But that's just me.

And James, and Peter, and John, and Jude, and Paul. Oh, and Jesus too. Almost forgot Him.

Liberals claim to be persecuted for not being able to attack Christian truth with abandon. It's even worse with "progressives."

I would like to see one Liberal or Progressive back up their positions WITH the New Testament witness.

But asking that is persecuting them.

Because, of course, they cannot do it.

Seperating the wheat from the chaff is all we are witnessing. Did anyone (that is a Christian) think that things would be rosy this time in history?

Not according TO Jesus. And James, Peter, John, James and Paul.

 

[Nadiine]

 

[Nadiine]

The new CF wants to bring Christians together and to that end they have really done away with the ability to define who is and is not Christian because this was seen as to divisive. On the one hand you will inevitably get that kind of thing between catholics and protestants, between charismatics and non-charismatics and between many of the protestant denominations etc. On the other... once you stop effectively defining christianity, you have already failed in bringing Christians together.

Its like saying, we're going to have a forum that unites americans around our common patriotism... but we're going to allow anyone in, and so long as they claim to be american, no one can question them, even if they clearly are not, and even if they clearly hate america...

You can't bring a group together, when you refuse to define who is actually in the group, and you allow people who are not part of the group to pretend to be and to subvert what the actual group believes.

Personally, I don't bother feeling disenfranchised because I guess I have a thick skin and I just don't care if people want to plot and scheme or gossip about me on an internet site... I rather think that is more of a sad commentary on their existence than anything else.. and if anything mildly amusing.

This is my core complaint with CF's direction.

You have many nonChristians on this site complaing that "Christians do most of the fighting against each other here"...
I've pointed out that this site lacks a clear definition of a Christian - & the one we have has been changed 3 times in the 2 yrs. I've been here.

Of course "Christians" will fight when you fail to define what one is as per clear scripture detailing what it is.

NonChristians are the LEAST of the problems here - it's the failure to define what a Christian is and go with that standard that is causing the site to implode.
I've said that since I first started to see the problems when I joined 2 yrs ago & started reading the "Christian" beliefs people were espousing. The result is confusion.

Confusion is not helpful to the lost OR saved.

 

[BenAdam]

I would like to see one Liberal or Progressive back up their positions WITH the New Testament witness.

You won't see it. Either the judge not lest you be judged attack is brought out or you get subjectivism, that either they didn't mean what they said or what they said has no bearing on modern sensibilities.

 

[RedTulipMom]

Alot of truth in the above posts. The biggest problem i see is there have been way too many changes over the past couple years and a mass exodus of people with each change. We have lost 75% of the membership. Both Conservatives and Liberals have been disenfranchised at some point. All the wavering Erwin did because he didn't want anyone mad at him slowly started destroying the site. Then selling to LeeD who has a different vision helped corrode everything further. The problem is when Erwin made the 777 changes MANY of the conservatives left and the site became more liberal minded and many liberals and atheists signed up. Then Lee comes in with a more conservative idea of what he wanted and didnt realize the conservatives had already mostly been squashed and kicked around and many are gone. So Lee is dealing with a bunch of liberals and is wanting them to be conservative...he came a year too late. So now the liberals and atheists are all mad and many are leaving. Pretty much CF is destroying itself slowly.

Lee needs to CLEARLY state his vision and STICK WITH IT, and maybe...just maybe he can salvage what is left of this site. Seems from what he has said so far that he wants more inreach and christian fellowship, but we'll see if there is follow through. If there is, maybe some conservatives that had left will come back. who knows?

I really appreciate Lee's vision...i hope that he will spend more time on the site getting a feel for what needs to be done to bring his vision to pass. Also, he needs to find out more about his Admins/mods etc. because he has many that are working against his vision and he don't even know it.

The staff and the vision needs to mesh. If Lee wants a more conservative site, he will need more conservative Staff and also to not allow the non-Chrisitan staff. Sometimes its CONFUSING..what DOES Lee really want? i wish he would start a thread and honestly talk to us all and TELL us what he wants and let us share what we have seen and heard and know about this site.

I wish he would read THIS thread. Maybe you can ask him to read this thread Letalis?

 

[BenAdam]

If Lee wants a more conservative site, he will need more conservative Staff

 

[Crazy Liz]

Any time you ask a "liberal" how can they say they are a Christian when "obviously" what they believe in runs counter to what the Apostles and Jesus teach, then they punch the persecution ticket.

Always? I don't remember punching the persecution ticket when engaging in such discussions.

Every single writer in the New Testament represents "conservative" Christian reality.

When that is pointed out to the Humanists that claim that they are Christians, they get all hufffy.

Perhaps a few of them once in a while present their actual beliefs?

All you can do is pray for these kinds of people.

For example: Jesus taught that "marriage" is a man and a woman. Liberals say Jesus was a liar and didn't mean what he was quoted as saying. Another example: There is no connection between the letter of Paul to Philemon talking about slaves and gay sex.

I have never seen a liberal say Jesus was a liar. Can you show me that this is what liberals say? I'd love to engage in discussion with someone who calls him/herself a Christian yet says Jesus was a liar. That would be a very interesting position to try to support.

I don't see how one can be a "Christian" when rejecting Christ Jesus.

But that's just me.

Who are these people you are talking about?

And James, and Peter, and John, and Jude, and Paul. Oh, and Jesus too. Almost forgot Him.

Liberals claim to be persecuted for not being able to attack Christian truth with abandon. It's even worse with "progressives."

I would like to see one Liberal or Progressive back up their positions WITH the New Testament witness.

Hey, I'm not really supposed to be posting in this thread. If this is something you really would like to see, pick an issue and name the place. It would be easier to do this in a new thread than go hunting all over CF for examples. I don't know where you've been looking if you haven't seen it yet, but I'm sure I could find some liberal and progressive Christians willing to accommodate your wish.

But asking that is persecuting them.

I don't think it's persecuting. I very much enjoy engaging in that sort of dialogue about scripture.

Because, of course, they cannot do it.

Seperating the wheat from the chaff is all we are witnessing. Did anyone (that is a Christian) think that things would be rosy this time in history?

Not according TO Jesus. And James, Peter, John, James and Paul.

Sorry for the intrusion into your thread. I have just been reading, but when I saw your invitation, I accepted. If you'd really like to see this kind of discussion, let me know. If you'd prefer just to talk about how bad liberals and progressives are without having to deal with real liberals and progressives, then carry on & I won't bother you again.

 

[Nadiine]

Always? I don't remember punching the persecution ticket when engaging in such discussions.



Perhaps a few of them once in a while present their actual beliefs?



I have never seen a liberal say Jesus was a liar. Can you show me that this is what liberals say? I'd love to engage in discussion with someone who calls him/herself a Christian yet says Jesus was a liar. That would be a very interesting position to try to support.



Who are these people you are talking about?



Hey, I'm not really supposed to be posting in this thread. If this is something you really would like to see, pick an issue and name the place. It would be easier to do this in a new thread than go hunting all over CF for examples. I don't know where you've been looking if you haven't seen it yet, but I'm sure I could find some liberal and progressive Christians willing to accommodate your wish.



I don't think it's persecuting. I very much enjoy engaging in that sort of dialogue about scripture.



Sorry for the intrusion into your thread. I have just been reading, but when I saw your invitation, I accepted. If you'd really like to see this kind of discussion, let me know. If you'd prefer just to talk about how bad liberals and progressives are without having to deal with real liberals and progressives, then carry on & I won't bother you again.

technically this isn't the forum for that since these areas are protected for people of that forum only.
(which is why I don't read or frequent the liberal area - if I read their threads, I'd have to do the same & jump in to refute 1/2 of it or challenge it).
I think the only reason I'd go over there at this point is to find some topics to discuss here to counter those.


I'm sure somebody could start a thread someplace else that is within the rules tho - but you guys can do what you want.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I think that I'm going to like this forum. Where do I sign up?

 

[Crazy Liz]

technically this isn't the forum for that since these areas are protected for people of that forum only.
(which is why I don't read or frequent the liberal area - if I read their threads, I'd have to do the same & jump in to refute 1/2 of it or challenge it).
I think the only reason I'd go over there at this point is to find some topics to discuss here to counter those.


I'm sure somebody could start a thread someplace else that is within the rules tho - but you guys can do what you want.

That's exactly what I was inviting PolycarpFan (or anyone else here) to do. Name the place you feel comfortable and let me know. I'm willing to engage in that kind of discussion, although I realize this is not the right place.

Sorry I was not clear about that.

 

[Nadiine]

I think that I'm going to like this forum. Where do I sign up?

If you're a conservative, I don't think you have "sign up" anywhere to belong here...
Just keep your posts compliant with this subforum's guidelines of what a conservative is and you're good to go =)

They've thankfully made these sections a safe haven for people who are of that same belief or denomination to discuss in.
I always appreciate not getting attacked everywhere I go around here lol.

=)

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

If you're a conservative, I don't think you have "sign up" anywhere to belong here...
Just keep your posts compliant with this subforum's guidelines of what a conservative is and you're good to go =)

They've thankfully made these sections a safe haven for people who are of that same belief or denomination to discuss in.
I always appreciate not getting attacked everywhere I go around here lol.

=)

Oh... conservative.... Yeah, about that.... Kinda more of a moderate with some conservative leanings and some liberal swayings. Looks cozy here, though, so I think I'll just watch for a while before I say anything else.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

No fighting! No fighting!

Have started a thread in the debate sub-forum for it. Tis better there, I think?

Clicky

ETA: clearly this thread has been linked at ~e~ I hate this place.

 

[Nadiine]

Oh... conservative.... Yeah, about that. Kinda more of a moderate with some conservative leanings and some liberal swayings. Looks cozy here, though.

There's a moderate forum too - when this one split, a Moderate forum was made. & then there's a fundamentalist forum as well -

There's an area for everyone in the Congregation forum.

=)

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Ah, thanks. I did not know that. I'll look there.

 

[A New Dawn]

Some really good posts in this thread. Green Munchkin, Spudgrandma, Polycarp Fan, RadicallyTransformedMom (to name a few). I wonder if anyone came back to read it?

I posted here a bit (I guess just after the hoopla last year where the liberals came in and destroyed the place, forcing a near shut-down), but I guess I'm going to have to post here more so I know what is going on on CF, since they shut down the Discuss Rules/Wiki forum, and said if they want to know how we feel, they will post threads in the congregationals. (Not that I have a problem posting here, but I have never been accepted in any of the congregationals, and that has left it's mark.)

 

[Nadiine]

Some really good posts in this thread. Green Munchkin, Spudgrandma, Polycarp Fan, RadicallyTransformedMom (to name a few). I wonder if anyone came back to read it?

I posted here a bit (I guess just after the hoopla last year where the liberals came in and destroyed the place, forcing a near shut-down), but I guess I'm going to have to post here more so I know what is going on on CF, since they shut down the Discuss Rules/Wiki forum, and said if they want to know how we feel, they will post threads in the congregationals. (Not that I have a problem posting here, but I have never been accepted in any of the congregationals, and that has left it's mark.)

I dunno if staff's read it?? I just see the Q, but no response from the OP.
The only reply I saw from staff was CaDan's in the Fundamentalist forum (where this same thread is) and I think that input was........ revealing...
but nothing as to staff seeking input.

I hope you do post here, I don't know who hadn't accepted you here, but I think each of us went thru a nitemare that last year in the CF wars & came out with some baggage.
What I try to keep in mind is that everyone was basically thrown together & forced to create this site all by ourselves by creating a wiki everywhere and it was all a mass scramble to be heard and represented in our beliefs - and have a safe haven somewhere when almost all the areas were opened up.
It was a horrible time and one I won't forget, but at the same time I hope I learned some valuable lessons.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

(Not that I have a problem posting here, but I have never been accepted in any of the congregationals, and that has left it's mark.)

(((((Dawn)))))

You're very very accepted here, lady! I think CC is maybe just beginning to find the semblances of its feet again slowly. Would be lovely to see you in here lots

 

[A New Dawn]

Thanks, Nadiine and GreenM. I left CF for about a month a couple of months ago after staff decided to pull one of their tricks on me, and I've slowly come back to post in UTD again, but I can't see putting out the energy to invest myself further given the circumstances.

 

[MrJim]

I think CC is maybe just beginning to find the semblances of its feet again slowly.

I hope it works out~