Conservative Christians are Losing the Plot

[2PhiloVoid]

I would say your strategy is then doomed to fail as I don't see conservatives or liberals offering a compelling response to the problem of modernity for men, especially regarding relationships between men and women.

I didn't say I had a strategy or that anyone should have a strategy; I especially don't believe there is any strategy for "winning" any Constantinian style political points. No, I think those days-----those centuries-----are long over and now, the main strategy is for each individual Christian to refuse the Mark of the Beast, which also insinuates that the way of the incel isn't on the menu for men who wish to be Christian.

But that's my own additional aside to what Jon McCray shares in his video.

The real goal is to be Holy as best one can; winning politics isn't that goal.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I'm not understanding your meaning. Can you explain further about your assessment of what Jon McCray had to say in the video?

Well if I didn't have the typo maybe I would be clearer. I meant "and are anti-woke" not "an dare anti-woke".
I never heard of the Tate guy so... I can't comment. But McCray seems to say to Christians too easily embrace or at least give a pass to people on the Right simply because they oppose the Left even though these people have nothing to do with Biblical morality.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Well if I didn't have the typo maybe I would be clearer. I meant "and are anti-woke" not "an dare anti-woke".
I never heard of the Tate guy so... I can't comment. But McCray seems to say to Christians too easily embrace or at least give a pass to people on the Right simply because they oppose the Left even though these people have nothing to do with Biblical morality.

Tate is essentially today's Hugh Hefner, just even more raucous. If that tells you anything. And some Christians are giving him a platform on which to speak without any verbal push back or accounting. It's one thing to talk to him as a fellow human being, but it's another to get all chummy and warm with him for pragmatic political points.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I didn't say I had a strategy or that anyone should have a strategy; I especially don't believe there is any strategy for "winning" any Constantinian style political points. No, I think those days-----those centuries-----are long over and now, the main strategy is for each individual Christian to refuse the Mark of the Beast, which also insinuates that the way of the incel isn't on the menu for men who wish to be Christian.

Well you want men to not be incels. Tate also wants men to not be incels. If you retreat from the culture instead of confronting it and isolate yourself as an individual from the collective responsibility to change society how are you going to encourage men to not be incels? Are there good incentives to embrace the Christian calling or is the non Christian way of escaping inceldom easier and in some ways more rewarding while we live?

I dont think we're beyond the days of politics or influencing society. We just dont have the will to do so and those with the will to do so will influence society.

But that's my own additional aside to what Jon McCray shares in his video.

The real goal is to be Holy as best one can; winning politics isn't that goal.

Do you think surrendering culture and society to our enemies will make us more holy?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Well you want men to not be incels. Tate also wants men to not be incels. If you retreat from the culture instead of confronting it and isolate yourself as an individual from the collective responsibility to change society how are you going to encourage men to not be incels? Are there good incentives to embrace the Christian calling or is the non Christian way of escaping inceldom easier and in some ways more rewarding while we live?

Don't harbor on incels alone simply because I mentioned it in passing. This thread isn't about incels. It's about ALL men, and in the case of this thread with its focus on Jon McCray's video (which you haven't really touched upon by the way), it's about Christians giving a platform for political alliance to those who adhere to a code of profligacy, at any level of society, not simply to discuss incels.

We can drop the incel bit. Besides, that issue is low-hanging fruit and discussing it just one small bit of the challenge present to take up the Christian calling toward Christ.

I dont think we're beyond the days of politics or influencing society. We just dont have the will to do so and those with the will to do so will influence society.

Sure, we're never beyond the days of political change or of influencing society, and this is the case I think even while I will readily admit that some of what I say here is painted by my own view of Eschatology. Regardless, though, the main subject here remains upon that of Jon McCray's focal points in his video in the OP and not upon my own particular screen of the end times.

Do you think surrendering culture and society to our enemies will make us more holy?

Wake up and see the obvious-----------Do you think proactively writing as I do and as you do is of nil value or that any of this equals surrender??

Surrender?? If I'm verbally defying the dominant strain of cultural sin in the world, even the version of it that is within my own nation, I think that counts as having not surrendered.

Now, do me a favor and rather than injecting as you do constant side-glancing questions and off tracking this thread, would you please get back to the focus at hand? If not, I'd appreciate it if don't continue posting here.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Don't harbor on incels alone simply because I mentioned it in passing. This thread isn't about incels. It's about ALL mean, but in the case of this thread with its focus on Jon McCray's video (which you haven't really touched upon by the way), it's about Christians giving a platform for political alliance to those who adhere to a code of profligacy, at any level of society, not simply incels.

We can drop the incel bit. Besides, that issue is low-hanging fruit and discussing it has little to do with the extent of the challenge present to take up the Christian calling toward Christ.

Sure, we're never beyond the days of political change or of influencing society, and this is the case I think even while I will readily admit that some of what I say here is painted by my own view of Eschatology. Regardless, though, the main subject here remains upon that of Jon McCray's focal points in his video in the OP and not upon my own particular screen of the end times.


Wake up and see the obvious-----------Do you think proactively writing as I do and as you do is of nil value or that any of this equals surrender??

Surrender?? If I'm verbally defying the dominant strain of cultural sin in the world, even the version of it that is within my own nation, I think that counts as having not surrendered.

Now, do me a favor and rather than injecting as you do constant side-glancing questions and off tracking this thread, would you please get back to the focus at hand? If not, I'd appreciate it if don't continue posting here.

So your point is we shouldn't make alliances with those who advocate hedonism like Tate does? I can agree to that. But why are you hostile to exploring other aspects? I am just confused with the whole tone of your thread because I don't see conservatives broadly allying with people like Tate. I don't see them being effective or genuinely Christian either.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

So your point is we shouldn't make alliances with those who advocate hedonism like Tate does? I can agree to that. But why are you hostile to exploring other aspects? I am just confused with the whole tone of your thread because I don't see conservatives broadly allying with people like Tate. I don't see them being effective or genuinely Christian either.

You're doing it again. Y'know, if you somehow are blocked from watching the video and thereby can't hear Jon McCray's presentation about some of what transpires in the U.S.,
...........................then just say so. Is that too much to ask?

 

[lifepsyop]

Sure, we can go on all day, all week, all four years long about how the Left has been queering society, but at the same time, I think it behooves us to focus even more on criticizing the active appearance of any un-Christian, immoral insularity which we see among a "diversified Republican" party and how some among them/us refuse to embrace integrity.

Yes, I am all for Republicans exiling homosexuals from their ranks.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yes, I am all for Republicans exiling homosexuals from their ranks.

Please don't sideline this thread with your byline. Either address what is in Jon McCray's video content, or get off the stage. Thanks.

 

[lifepsyop]

Please don't sideline this thread with your byline. Either address what is in Jon McCray's video content, or get off the stage. Thanks.

I think Andrew Tate is pretty clearly degenerate, as are some other figures on the right.

A lot of popular "Conservative Inc." guys celebrate homosexuality as long as it's "conservative homosexuality"

and I'm glad there are Christians calling this stuff out


Right-wing paganism/humanism is definitely an issue,
(then again, a lot of pagans have more love of God's natural order than many modern evangelical Christians, as much as I hate to say it)


but imo all of this pales in comparison to the rank degeneracy of the average Democrat/Leftist political influencer.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I think Andrew Tate is pretty clearly degenerate, as are some other figures on the right.

A lot of popular "Conservative Inc." guys celebrate homosexuality as long as it's "conservative homosexuality"

and I'm glad there are Christians calling this stuff out


Right-wing paganism/humanism is definitely an issue,
(then again, a lot of pagans have more love of God's natural order than many modern evangelical Christians, as much as I hate to say it)


but imo all of this pales in comparison to the rank degeneracy of the average Democrat/Leftist political influencer.

I partly agree, but my angle on the rising problem is in citing that there is a philosophical obfuscation of the Christian Worldview present on both sides of the political divide, whether it's Left or Right.

Being that I believe this is the case, I'd rather concentrate addressing the swath of the population in which I think the fault lies most, which is among straight people.

I know. It sounds queer for me to say it like that, doesn't it? But I can assure you, I'm bound to disappoint a lot of folks, whoever they may be.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Sure, we can go on all day, all week, all four years long about how the Left has been queering society, but at the same time, I think it behooves us to focus even more on criticizing the active appearance of any un-Christian, immoral insularity which we see among a "diversified Republican" party and how some among them/us refuse to embrace integrity.

I know it's difficult, but hey! Folks. We have to start somewhere; I'll start with myself in 2025 by working on renovating my own integrity----which we all should, really------and as I do I'll say that I'm with what Jon McCray (a.k.a. Waddo You Meme?) says as he exposes what he exposes in the following video for our mutual edification.

Yes, that's what's going on, and so, maybe let's try to get our house in order for the sake of our Republic ?????

Here's the video synopsis: We shouldn't support Republicans who aver for a fully Libertarian and Libertine mode of life. End of story.

Conservative Christians are Losing The Plot​

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I did not need to review the video to observe that the alliance between the Republican Party and Christians has ultimately been detrimental to the latter. This trend has been occurring since the first century. Whenever Christians have compromised their values for political gain, it has consistently resulted in negative consequences.

The "moral majority" movement of evangelical Christians, which helped elect every GOP candidate since President Reagan, demonstrated that Evangelical Christian would support anyone, even a twice-divorced man who claimed he had no reason to seek God's forgiveness, to win and gain power.

“For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I did not need to review the video to observe that the alliance between the Republican Party and Christians has ultimately been detrimental to the latter. This trend has been occurring since the first century. Whenever Christians have compromised their values for political gain, it has consistently resulted in negative consequences.

The "moral majority" movement of evangelical Christians, which helped elect every GOP candidate since President Reagan, demonstrated that Evangelical Christian would support anyone, even a twice-divorced man who claimed he had no reason to seek God's forgiveness, to win and gain power.

“For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”

There is some truth to what you're saying, but I'm thinking about examples of today (like Tate) who are more than obvious----they're easy affiliation by Christians is more than a "sore thumb," it's rather like a missing thumb altogether.

If you watch the video, I would like to hear any specific comments upon it if you get the time. If not, then maybe we'll chat on some other thread.

 

[lifepsyop]

I did not need to review the video to observe that the alliance between the Republican Party and Christians has ultimately been detrimental to the latter. This trend has been occurring since the first century. Whenever Christians have compromised their values for political gain, it has consistently resulted in negative consequences.

The "moral majority" movement of evangelical Christians, which helped elect every GOP candidate since President Reagan, demonstrated that Evangelical Christian would support anyone, even a twice-divorced man who claimed he had no reason to seek God's forgiveness, to win and gain power.

It's a speck in eye compared to Liberal/Left-wing Christianity.

Who would cry the loudest if no-fault divorce was abolished in America? Probably not many Christians on the Right. But we'd hear plenty of moaning from Christians on the Left about how women's rights are being violated or whatever...

 

[com7fy8]

My take away was different. Rather, we shouldn't be embracing contrarian influencers simply because they oppose the Left and are anti-woke.

Just because someone can point out how I am wrong, this does not guarantee the person is able to do what is right.

I have seen how things were, seventy years ago, in the United States. Yes, there was church culture. It could be Sunday-only. And kids could be on our own most of the other time. And there was smoking and drinking and movie violence including on women . . . then.

Not what I would call a "Christian America". I see how what has been has produced what we have now. Church culture can have parents failing at home, so children see how their Sunday-only stuff does not work. And so the kids get with peers who also are lost, then came and still comes what now is not so done in secret like it was, back then.

So, if Christian church culture did not work, then, and if Republicans have not already produced what they claim to seek . . . after already having Republican presidents . . . even popular ones like Dwight . . . do what you can, of course; but . . . people are not wise if they are guaranteeing what they can do, and what can be done by money and military and machines and materials and men and mothers and me-myself-and-I.

With God, right now, we can have all He pleases to do. And with God we can make His good use of whatever politicians do, whoever they are, and we can pray for what can help them better than what they are trying to do. That works for me: God does me more good, than I try to do for myself and others. And God can include me in this > however He has me do better than I was going to try to do!

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

There is some truth to what you're saying, but I'm thinking about examples of today (like Tate) who are more than obvious----they're easy affiliation by Christians is more than a "sore thumb," it's rather like a missing thumb altogether.

If you watch the video, I would like to hear any specific comments upon it if you get the time. If not, then maybe we'll chat on some other thread.

You are focusing on addressing a minor symptom rather than identifying and treating the underlying issue.

Many people, including myself, have not heard of Tate. Whether Tucker Carlson or some media asked him challenging questions is minor compared to the compromise churches and Christians are doing to gain political power.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

It's a speck in eye compared to Liberal/Left-wing Christianity.

Who would cry the loudest if no-fault divorce was abolished in America? Probably not many Christians on the Right. But we'd hear plenty of moaning from Christians on the Left about how women's rights are being violated or whatever...

Christianity focuses on living according to Jesus' teachings, not enforcing moral laws on others. Christians don't need to abolish no-fault divorce; they should live by the teachings of Jesus on this matter.

The obsession of some evangelical Christians on establishing laws based on Biblical principles has led to the path of distraction and compromise with the world. The New Testament does not advocate for creating Biblical laws, but rather encourages practicing and teaching these principles.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You are focusing on addressing a minor symptom rather than identifying and treating the underlying issue.

Many people, including myself, have not heard of Tate. Whether Tucker Carlson or some media asked him challenging questions is minor compared to the compromise churches and Christians are doing to gain political power.

I sort of disagree with that premise. Christian influence in politics isn't the main problem. The main problem stems from the inherent humanistic philosophy that permeates all of modern culture(s). Undue and unjustified political power, whether by Christians or non-Christians, is just one aspect of that much larger problem.

 

[RoBo1988]

Sure, we can go on all day, all week, all four years long about how the Left has been queering society, but at the same time, I think it behooves us to focus even more on criticizing the active appearance of any un-Christian, immoral insularity which we see among a "diversified Republican" party and how some among them/us refuse to embrace integrity.

I know it's difficult, but hey! Folks. We have to start somewhere; I'll start with myself in 2025 by working on renovating my own integrity----which we all should, really------and as I do I'll say that I'm with what Jon McCray (a.k.a. Waddo You Meme?) says as he exposes what he exposes in the following video for our mutual edification.

Yes, that's what's going on, and so, maybe let's try to get our house in order for the sake of our Republic ?????

Here's the video synopsis: We shouldn't support Republicans who aver for a fully Libertarian and Libertine mode of life. End of story.

Conservative Christians are Losing The Plot​

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I agree with a lot of what the host says; we have thrown our lot in with godless selfish people -just like we do every election season, for every candidate who runs for any office.

The problem is IMO, the lack of vigilance in between elections, as they hibernate every 4 years. That, and a lack of unity of what Jeremiah 29:7 should look like.

 

[lifepsyop]

Christianity focuses on living according to Jesus' teachings, not enforcing moral laws on others. Christians don't need to abolish no-fault divorce; they should live by the teachings of Jesus on this matter.

I don't understand your position. Would you actively oppose Christians who did want to abolish no-fault divorce?

This is what I'm talking about. Christians fighting to protect people's freedom to be degenerate is really problematic.

The obsession of some evangelical Christians on establishing laws based on Biblical principles has led to the path of distraction and compromise with the world.

Oh really?? ... the last half century has been a strong trend of Christians doing exactly the opposite... retreating from the political sphere. And has there ever been a time of greater 'compromise' with the world?

I think your take on this is totally wrong.

The New Testament does not advocate for creating Biblical laws, but rather encourages practicing and teaching these principles.

that's what Laws are actually meant to do!... they put restraints on evil behavior. (and as a result direct people towards more lawful behaviors)