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Conservative calls for dictatorship

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Conservative thought leader Jesse Kelly says the U.S. needs a dictatorship. That's disturbing.

Joe Walsh comments that that is exactly what the conservative base wants. That's frightening.
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Hmmm...so his solution in 2016 and 2020 was to elect someone who is currently under investigation or indictment for numerous crimes, whose corporation lost a huge lawsuit in NYC courts based on business fraud, who just lost a civil suit with a $5 million price tag due to sexual assault and harassment, and who is facing another huge tax fraud case in New York State?

That is who you would choose to lead a moral dictatorship?

SMH.
 
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Conservative thought leader Jesse Kelly says the U.S. needs a dictatorship. That's disturbing.

Joe Walsh comments that that is exactly what the conservative base wants. That's frightening.
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The replies to Jesse's original tweet were a mixture of agreement, stupidity about already living in a dictatorship, and a politically broad set of people saying some version of "absolutely not".
 
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The replies to Jesse's original tweet were a mixture of agreement, stupidity about already living in a dictatorship, and a politically broad set of people saying some version of "absolutely not".
Par for the course. There should be universal condemnation.
 
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Conservative thought leader Jesse Kelly says the U.S. needs a dictatorship. That's disturbing.

Joe Walsh comments that that is exactly what the conservative base wants. That's frightening.
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An ideal form of government would be where a leader needs to work with other parties in order to accomplish common goals. It is not idea when the highest goal of a politician is to get reelected by being the most adept at shifting the blame. It is not ideal to lift up an extreme view as being exactly what the base wants. Likewise, it is not ideal to switch between one party trying to dictate while the other does everything in their power to prevent them from doing anything. If it is given that there is a good leader, a dictatorship is much more of an ideal form of government that is able to act much more decisively and effectively without having its hands tied, and there are examples of good dictatorships, however, it is much more likely to not have a good leader. Saying that this country needs a dictator and that one is coming is not the same as calling for one or wanting one, but is seeing a solution to a problem and predicting that it will come about. This country is a mess politically and dictator would certainly clear up the political infighting and a dictator is coming if one party can gain enough power to bring that about, though it would likely create a host of other problems, but it is unhelpful to use it for shock value without evaluating what is being said in context.
 
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it is unhelpful to use it for shock value without evaluating what is being said in context.

This is what Twitter is bad for - there's no room for context with a word limit.
 
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This is what Twitter is bad for - there's no room for context with a word limit.

The problem with the referenced tweet was not the lack of available characters.
 
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The problem with the referenced tweet was not the lack of available characters.

Well, I think we are headed straight for a fascist regime, if not already in one, beginning stage.

To say that I truly believe this is in no way expressing a desire to have one - quite the opposite is true, in fact.

But if I got on Twitter and said I think we are headed straight into the arms of a fascist regime without any other words posted, people could take what I said and insert their own meaning... (Such as people saying republicans are "calling for" a fascist regime, which would be untrue).

I don't know who this guy is (and I am a republican voter) but the statement standing by itself definitely needs context so I would want a more in-depth explanation of what was said before coming to any kind of conclusion about it.
 
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An ideal form of government would be where a leader needs to work with other parties in order to accomplish common goals. It is not idea when the highest goal of a politician is to get reelected by being the most adept at shifting the blame. It is not ideal to lift up an extreme view as being exactly what the base wants. Likewise, it is not ideal to switch between one party trying to dictate while the other does everything in their power to prevent them from doing anything. If it is given that there is a good leader, a dictatorship is much more of an ideal form of government that is able to act much more decisively and effectively without having its hands tied, and there are examples of good dictatorships, however, it is much more likely to not have a good leader. Saying that this country needs a dictator and that one is coming is not the same as calling for one or wanting one, but is seeing a solution to a problem and predicting that it will come about. This country is a mess politically and dictator would certainly clear up the political infighting and a dictator is coming if one party can gain enough power to bring that about, though it would likely create a host of other problems, but it is unhelpful to use it for shock value without evaluating what is being said in context.
If you think that dictatorships are for the good of the people if only the dictator is good, you don't really understand politics. In short, unless every single person in the dictatorships line of command is a saint, the dictator either will have to rob his people to keep his supporters in line, or they will be deposed by someone more ruthless.
 
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Well, I think we are headed straight for a fascist regime, if not already in one, beginning stage.

To say that I truly believe this is in no way expressing a desire to have one - quite the opposite is true, in fact.

But if I got on Twitter and said I think we are headed straight into the arms of a fascist regime without any other words posted, people could take what I said and insert their own meaning... (Such as people saying republicans are "calling for" a fascist regime, which would be untrue).
He didn't say "we're headed toward dictatorship" like you just did, he said "we *need* a dictator" (emph added). He clearly welcomes a dictator (presumably not just any dictator), where as in the statement above, you did not. His post was quite clear and quite disgusting.

I don't know who this guy is (and I am a republican voter) but the statement standing by itself definitely needs context so I would want a more in-depth explanation of what was said before coming to any kind of conclusion about it.
I think he has a show on one of those minor cable networks.
 
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we *need* a dictator" (emph added). He clearly welcomes a dictator (presumably not just any dictator), where as in the statement above, you did not. His post was quite clear and quite disgusting

Yes and non English speakers often have a better grasp of the English language than many native speakers of the language.

Was it intentional? That's what I want to know... and for that I want more than 1 sentence.
 
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Yes and non English speakers often have a better grasp of the English language than many native speakers of the language.

Was it intentional? That's what I want to know... and for that I want more than 1 sentence.

It was either intentional (on Jesse Kelly's part) or he is too stupid to operate a twitter account or understand what he wrote. Since he "wrote" a "book" and hosts a TV show, I'm guessing it's the former.
 
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Conservative thought leader Jesse Kelly says the U.S. needs a dictatorship. That's disturbing.

Joe Walsh comments that that is exactly what the conservative base wants. That's frightening.
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They are both dead wrong. That is not conservatism.
 
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This is what Twitter is bad for - there's no room for context with a word limit.
There's no lack of context in either Jesse or Joe's Tweets.
 
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They are both dead wrong. That is not conservatism.
That's a lovely sentiment, but it seems that what passes for conservatism today, and I would say for at least a decade, is an embrace of authoritarianism and a desire to have a strong man who will "take back" America and restore things to how they used to be (where certain types of people knew their place).
 
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I’ve been a Conservative since Reagan, I have two questions.

What is a thought leader, conservative or otherwise.

And

Who on earth is Jesse Kelly?
 
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It was either intentional (on Jesse Kelly's part) or he is too stupid to operate a twitter account or understand what he wrote. Since he "wrote" a "book" and hosts a TV show, I'm guessing it's the former.

See I'm super confused because I've never heard of either of these names and your talking books, TV shows etc etc.

So I decided to look, and a quick look at Joe Walsh's Twitter shows me that him and those he would enjoy reading enough to quote are "never Trumpers" and appear to truly dislike conservative voters like myself (he actually talks about how much he dislikes "maga republicans")

So, we can call them a lot of things, but I don't think conservative would be it. These aren't conservative thought leaders, unless you're talking about RINO'S - but these people hate conservatives so much they aren't even that because Joe Walsh describes himself as being a former Republican..

Seemingly too disgusted with conservatives to stay in the republican party.

So... Conservative thought leaders these guys are not. Joe Walsh makes a typical dem happy with all his vehement hatred of conservatives though. He might want to get rid of us via a dictatorship, much like the democrat party.
 
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I’ve been a Conservative since Reagan, I have two questions.

What is a thought leader, conservative or otherwise.

And

Who on earth is Jesse Kelly?

That's what I'm thinking, I've never heard of these people before... Lol
 
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Since Jesse Kelly was advertised, I thought I’d look up some of his tweets

Quote: I don’t wanna be a dictator. Dictators are awful. All I’m saying is one is coming and we deserve him.

Perhaps the OP could expand past one tweet and give us the context of what this mostly unknown, unheard of Radio personality is talking about in a contextual format.

Explaining why a person who wrote a book on anti communist manifesto would do a complete 180 and support a dictatorship.
 
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