Consent

[selfinflikted]

Not really.

It's jut that Pluto, Phlogiston, and Thalidomide* are such good examples of myopic science, I can't help but to keep harping on them.

Honorable mentions are:

1. the Titanic
2. the Deepwater Horizon
3. the Hindenberg
4. L'Aquila
5. Chernobyl
6. Three Mile Island
7. Y2K
8. abortion
9. alcohol & tobacco
10. the syzygy of 1988
11. overpopulation/depletion of earth's resources
12. Vioxx
13. Tylenol capsules
14. views on Israel I don't want to get into
15. moral decay
16. blasphemy, quenching the Spirit, grieving the Spirit
17. anything else I can think of later

* Thalidomide goes a little beyond myopia. I have other reasons for why I think Thalidomide really went down that I really don't care to harp on on the Internet.

Now, go on and tell us the REAL reason you are so mad at the Pluto demotion. So many people are all I think they deserve an explanation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh, adding "alcohol and tobacco" is another good one.

Indeed.

Ever hear of the "Kennedy curse"?

And as I understand it, the nicotine in a cigarette hooks you, while the tobacco kills you.

Didn't Jesus make wine?

Not your kind.

Was he contributing to "myopic science?"

No

Should we start calling Jesus a Scientist?

No -- Jesus is omniscient.

Wouldn't he be a greater Scientist than the Anti-Christ will be?

Yes

 

[AV1611VET]

Now, go on and tell us the REAL reason you are so mad at the Pluto demotion.

What?

You lost me there, chief.

I thought I explained it well.

One thing I failed to mention about Pluto, is that it showed the willingness of people here to automatically accept Pluto's demotion without question; and exposes a low tolerance for those who want to hold out.

At times, I feel like I know how Galileo must have felt.

Other times, I feel like I know how Rosa Parks must have felt.

 

[RickG]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Didn't Jesus make wine?​

Not your kind.

Are you suggesting it was non alcoholic?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you suggesting it was non alcoholic?

Take it to Google, Rick.

I'm tired of your fake surprise at what we believe.

 

[MikeCarra]

Monotheism (the consensus)

The consensus....since when? Why would any non-monothesitic religions exist?

Polytheism was quite common. Countless worshippers and even today Hinduism still exists being among the oldest religions on earth. Pretty solid "evidence" (by this strange "consensus" metric) that Hinduism is the RIGHT religion.

would suggest that there is but *one* God, and *many human religions*. Humans don't seem to agree 100 percent on anything, so why would you expect 100 percent agreement on the topic of God?

Because this "consensus" of which you speak winds up with radically different gods. So much so that some of these gods are actively AGAINST the other gods (cf: Yahweh). Al'lah wants other worshipers of other gods to be actively hurt to make them stop.

There is no "consensus" other than people thinking "there's something out there that no one can see, and cannot be adequately proven to have any specific traits such that the MAJORITY of people will experience it with significant commonality and it helps me explain the things I don't understand".

That is, exactly, useless as an indicator of something bigger. It is a VERY good indicator of imagination and human "need" for explanation.

There is a "consensus" among little kids that Santa is real. Does not mean that Santa has any reality.

You're still confusing the concept of religion (and human action) with God's will.

The only way one knows "God's Will" is from what other humans say it is. (God's will in the OT is to shun --and even in some cases destroy-- those who worship other gods, Al'lah's will is to punish and destroy the infidel or turn them into muslims, etc.,etc.)

It's not that surprising to me since humans tend to believe whatever they feel like believing, with or without 'physical evidence' to support their conclusion.

Yes, humans have an active imagination. Hence the need for there to be an invisible something that helps explain all the things they don't understand.

Does not mean there actually is something out there that would fit any conception of a "god".

 

[MikeCarra]

Yes.

Their inability to see what they were doing with peoples' consciences by changing Biblical terms to scientific ones.*

Example: babe in the womb → fetus or fetal tissue.

* I contend that neo-science's ultimate goal is to change every jot and tittle of the Bible into their language.

Or how about people speaking on behalf of God demanding genocide (1 Sam 15:3), or other people of God demanding slaughter of people who had strayed from the core faith (slaughter of the Albigensians).

Oh, wait, sorry, those weren't SCIENTISTS. Those were worshipers of Jehovah! My bad. I always get that confused.

 

[MikeCarra]

Not your kind.

Yet ANOTHER word in the Bible that isn't what it says it is????

Wow! I'm really wishing we had the AV1611VET--English translation tool!

So did the KJV secretaries just make up words or did they write down how English words like "bat" and "wine" aren't what they say they are?

Are you using the Urim and Thummim?

 

[MikeCarra]

I'm tired of your fake surprise at what we believe.

So there are MANY of you KJV-onlyists who use alternate versions of English words to say things the words don't mean?

Or are you God and the Heavenly Host?

(Because if it's the latter we all owe you a big apology on that Pluto thing. I don't think anyone would have suspected God would be that upset by this.)

 

[RickG]

Take it to Google, Rick.

I'm tired of your fake surprise at what we believe.

I asked a simple question AV and here's another one. Why would Jesus make a non alcoholic wine? If it wasn't fermented it wouldn't be wine by definition, would it?

 

[SimplyNothing]

The wine Jesus drank most certainly had alcohol in it.

Wasn't wine and beer used to treat water and make it drinkable for millennia? I could've sworn this was the case.

 

[AV1611VET]

I asked a simple question AV and here's another one. Why would Jesus make a non alcoholic wine? If it wasn't fermented it wouldn't be wine by definition, would it?

I drink Mountain Dew all time, yet I've never been drunk.

Can you explain that?

 

[Split Rock]

Yes.

Their inability to see what they were doing with peoples' consciences by changing Biblical terms to scientific ones.*

Example: babe in the womb → fetus or fetal tissue.

* I contend that neo-science's ultimate goal is to change every jot and tittle of the Bible into their language.

I content that it is you "bible literalists" who's ultimate goal is to change every jot and tittle of the bible into their own language.
See: Conservative Bible Project - Conservapedia

 

[AV1611VET]

The wine Jesus drank most certainly had alcohol in it.

You were there?

 

[SimplyNothing]

Okay, but if Sprite is Sprite, it's certainly not mountain dew then.

Did I just blow your mind?

 

[Split Rock]

Not your kind.

​

Are you suggesting it was non alcoholic?

Take it to Google, Rick.

I'm tired of your fake surprise at what we believe.

Sorry, buddy.... my KJV1611 perfectly perfected bible says "wine." As a KJVO aficionado, I can only accept that that means wine.

 

[Split Rock]

I drink Mountain Dew all time, yet I've never been drunk.

Can you explain that?

Mountain Dew has no alcohol in it. Next question.

 

[SimplyNothing]

You were there?

No. But the bible regularly exhorts the use of alcohol calling it a gift from God, while simultaneously condemning drunkenness.

David drank and praised the effects of wine.
Solomon conceded that he tried to cheer himself with wine while depressed.
Jesus condemned the Pharisees for calling him out for drinking wine, which wouldn't have mattered if it had no alcohol in it. He used the word oinos which in Greek most certainly refers to alcoholic wine.

The thing is, wine was used to make water potable for a very long time in human history. The Egyptians drank beer that is estimated to be 1% to 2% alcohol, including children, because it was the safest method of drinking water. It ensured that bacteria were either dead or died.

Could a historian correct me if I`m wrong please?

 

[AV1611VET]

As a KJVO aficionado, I can only accept that that means wine.

So do I.

 

[AV1611VET]

Mountain Dew has no alcohol in it. Next question.

Because I capitalized it?