Congratulations America!

[Funny Fundie]

All the whiners, well hey I still love you. I'm afraid though I'm too happy for that pettiness to bother me .

This is one atheist who HAS been in a foxhole, who cannot express his joy.

I've said before I don't think Obama is a man who will wave a magic wand and poof no more problems!

Instead I see him as a President who because so many of the people of this country are inspired will do the work, and that's a big difference.

Dude except for being pro-abortion, everything Obama ever did in his life was the Lord's work! I mean he helped inner city kids, donated countless hours trying to help the impoverished and homeless in Chicago and was anti-Iraq war from the very beginning.

I'd think you atheists would be the ones who feel defeated today not the conservatives.

 

[cantata]

Dude except for being pro-abortion, everything Obama ever did in his life was the Lord's work! I mean he helped inner city kids, donated countless hours trying to help the impoverished and homeless in Chicago and was anti-Iraq war from the very beginning.

I'd think you atheists would be the ones who feel defeated today not the conservatives.

Believe it or not, some of us actually share what you think of as Christ's values. You know, like, we're into looking after poor people and crazy stuff like that.

Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to disagree with every element of Christianity. You just have to not believe in gods.

 

[stan1980]

Dude except for being pro-abortion, everything Obama ever did in his life was the Lord's work! I mean he helped inner city kids, donated countless hours trying to help the impoverished and homeless in Chicago and was anti-Iraq war from the very beginning.

I'd think you atheists would be the ones who feel defeated today not the conservatives.

Not at all, I'm not 'against' the lord, I take each situation on a case by case basis, and from the Obama causes you have listed, I agree with him on all of them.

 

[keith99]

Regarding John F. Kennedy. In a debate with Richard Nixon, the people that listened to it on radio thought Nixon won but the ones that watched the debate on TV said Kennedy won. Looks and appearance clearly shapes people's opinion.

Elsewhere in here good things were said about McCains consession speech. I just want to point out Nixons in many ways qualified as great, even if it was lousy. Just that it happened. There was far more evidence of voter fraud than in any of the recent elections, but Nixon and company decided not to go that route.

Did politicians care more about the country back then or were they just more patient and cunning?

 

[wanderingone]

Just watched the speeches in full...

Fantastic concession speech from McCain marred only by his supporters booing when Obama's name was mentioned. Top man, shame about his supporters. For that, I'll start buying his oven chips again I think a lot of people could learn from the humility that McCain showed (his supporters for one) after the twatting he took, I don't think I'll ever see a better concession speech.

Obama's speech was incredible too, he really does suck you in, powerful, inspirational stuff. I think that speech will be studied by kids in history classes for years to come. Fair play to the democrat supporters, in contrast to the republican supporters, they graciously applauded at the mention of McCain's name, but perhaps they had more to be gracious about.

President Barack Hussein Obama, who would have thought it?

Well done America, sense at last. A historic victory.

McCain had a lot to struggle with running a campaign in which certain supporters were extremely ignorant and bigoted. I'm afraid his campaign failed to reign in that distasteful hostility and get supporters to focus on actual issues - making Palin his VP choice was extremely insulting to women who could see his advisors believed just having someone with a vagina would swing votes in his direction. He never took enough initiative to force his handlers to handle his campaign with the same class he can usually muster up for himself.

I always viewed McCain as being a fairly independent minded GOP person, the last few years have significantly altered that view of him, the concession speech helped ease my distaste. I was pretty impressed that he conceded early - not hanging on when it was obviously done, and not throwing any last minute zingers at the democrats.

I think Obama's victory speech was great, regardless of how much he may or may not consider "race" to be important he acknowledges well the feelings of so many as they see a president elect many never thought they'd see in their lifetime. "Race" doesn't matter - or shouldn't in terms of qualifications but when you try to tell your brown skinned children anyone can be president, they are not stupid, they can look at the history of this nation that has ALWAYS been a nation with multiple ethnic groups and understand that this was not always true. I think he handles these "race matters" with grace. I appreciated he didn't do the balloons and confetti things and make it all about "we win" - because it's a step toward working to change the mess that's been created over the last decade, "winning" doesn't finish the task, it only starts it.

I'm just sorry this step is marred by state props that reject the rights of so many.

 

[sidhe]

I danced, I cried, I sang, I listened to Public Enemy and Ani Difranco on the way to work today. I've had strange hysterically happy messages left on my voicemail by friends (and, oddly, an offer to buy bulk body piercing supplies. I don't get that one). McCain demonstrated the kind of classiness and even-keeled responsibility that had me voting for him back in 2000, and Obama made a phenomenal acceptance speech referencing his keynote address from '04 (not a red America and a blue America, but a United States of America, etc.). Palin will be shipped back to Alaska in time for moose season, and hopefully be consumed by Russian vampires around Solstice.

Barring the Prop 8 situation and a few other issues, it was a good night.

 

[ReadingForOrders]

I'm really excited about the potential that this means for the country. Barack is really inspiring, and not only able to cross party lines,

Based upon what? He has the single most liberal voting record for the two years he actually worked in the Senate. I don't believe he crossed the Dem party line even once.

but also racial lines. I think that it will be very affirming for black people, it will mean a much more stable economy,

Again based upon what?

it will mean a president that you really feel inspired to have lead, trust, and believe, the end of this terrible war, and who knows what else.

It's a really exciting time to be alive.

This too shall pass.

 

[ReadingForOrders]

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

We all should, and we should all do are best to work with our new President.

JFK wasn't.

Yes he was.

MLK wasn't. Malcolm X wasn't.

Nor were they elected officials.

However, he inspires me. I watched the Infomercial, I've listened to his wife, I think he is the real deal, and for you, he will have to prove you wrong. Hopefully, he will.

I hope that he ends up the most uniting and solid leaders we have ever known. (I'm not counting on it, but I hope it)

I knew this day would come, but surprised that it happened so soon.

I just wish he was better qualified and experienced. If he fails he could actually cause more racial tension in the U.S. than he heals.

 

[LittleNipper]

So much bitterness from some, it hurts!

Why don't you go vote for another king?

 

[stan1980]

Why don't you go vote for another king?

Is every black politician a Martin Luther King to you? Yeah, they're all the same, aren't they *sarcasm*

 

[stan1980]

I think Obama's victory speech was great, regardless of how much he may or may not consider "race" to be important he acknowledges well the feelings of so many as they see a president elect many never thought they'd see in their lifetime. "Race" doesn't matter - or shouldn't in terms of qualifications but when you try to tell your brown skinned children anyone can be president, they are not stupid, they can look at the history of this nation that has ALWAYS been a nation with multiple ethnic groups and understand that this was not always true. I think he handles these "race matters" with grace. I appreciated he didn't do the balloons and confetti things and make it all about "we win" - because it's a step toward working to change the mess that's been created over the last decade, "winning" doesn't finish the task, it only starts it.

I'm just sorry this step is marred by state props that reject the rights of so many.

Well said. Race shouldn't matter but it does, to a lot of people. I'm particularly happy, as it is an acknowledgement that even in America, anything is possible today no matter what the colour your skin is. And that alone puts a huge smile on my face.

Like you say though, it's a shame the day has been marred somewhat.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

So, congratulations America. Yesterday you proved that you are just as mean spirited, bigoted, and run by hate merchants as ever. Congratulations indeed.

Yes, I know Obama won. Proposition 8 in California strikes me as a far greater indictment of your society than if Obama had lost. It makes all the self congratulatory post-Obama win back slapping and euphoria ring very, VERY hollow to me.

 

[stan1980]

So, congratulations America. Yesterday you proved that you are just as mean spirited, bigoted, and run by hate merchants as ever. Congratulations indeed.

Yes, I know Obama won. Proposition 8 in California strikes me as a far greater indictment of your society than if Obama had lost. It makes all the self congratulatory post-Obama win back slapping and euphoria ring very, VERY hollow to me.

It's a step backwards for sure, but Obama from what I hear from his books is a very liberal, intelligent man. I know you mentioned you opposed him, but if anyone is likely to have sympathy for the homosexual cause, I'd imagine it would be a liberal, and Obama is a liberal or so I'm told.

 

[jcook922]

So, congratulations America. Yesterday you proved that you are just as mean spirited, bigoted, and run by hate merchants as ever. Congratulations indeed.

Yes, I know Obama won. Proposition 8 in California strikes me as a far greater indictment of your society than if Obama had lost. It makes all the self congratulatory post-Obama win back slapping and euphoria ring very, VERY hollow to me.

I live in California and I was shocked to hear that Prop 8 actually passed. Then again I usually don't vote on state ordinances, just other things I had to do with my weird work hours.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I live in California and I was shocked to hear that Prop 8 actually passed. Then again I usually don't vote on state ordinances, just other things I had to do with my weird work hours.

Of all the states in the union... that California, which styles herself the most enlightened and progressive should do this... words fail me.

 

[sidhe]

So, congratulations America. Yesterday you proved that you are just as mean spirited, bigoted, and run by hate merchants as ever. Congratulations indeed.

Yes, I know Obama won. Proposition 8 in California strikes me as a far greater indictment of your society than if Obama had lost. It makes all the self congratulatory post-Obama win back slapping and euphoria ring very, VERY hollow to me.

I'm peeved about Cali, but Obama's election means that the upcoming retirements from the Supreme Court won't be filled with religious conservative ideologues, which increases the likelihood that if a challenge to the current state of marriage discrimination makes it to the SCOTUS, it'll result in a happy occasion.

I have no clue how Prop 8 won. And the OP needs a dictionary to look up "unanimous."

Or, to put it another way, if the Palin strategy of mobilizing the religious wing of the Repubs had worked and McCain had won, he'd be beholden to them come SCOTUS appointments, leading to a court stacked against gay marriage. An Obama election leaves the possibility open that a challenge brought before SCOTUS will result in equal marriage rights for all.

Right now, though, California is ON NOTICE.