Confusion over Quantum Physics

[Aras]

I'm afraid I'm not well versed in Quantum Physics. Still, who knows? I say stay strong, quantum physics is still mostly hypothosis yes? Wait for concrete information on the subject to doubt, though their is a difference between doubt and thought though. Don't just filter out the possibility.

My two cents.

 

[depthdeception]

I'm afraid I'm not well versed in Quantum Physics. Still, who knows? I say stay strong, quantum physics is still mostly hypothosis yes?

It is quite a bit more than "hypothesis."

 

[Aras]

It is quite a bit more than "hypothesis."

Well, yes. Hypothosis was far to weak of a term, I meant to say something more along the lines of it hasn't been proven yet. (the first post) This isn't to mean it's not true, as apparently we can't prove God either. It hasn't been proven right?

 

[JonF]

Hey all, I have returned, but probably only briefly.

I have a topic that has just put a major dent in my faith in God today, and perhaps the main reason I'm here is for reassurance to repair that damage.

Some of you may have heard of the advances in Quantum Physics that suggest such things as telekinesis, telepathy, etc. can be explained scientifically using the theory of hyperdimensions and the possibilities of the human mind being able to connect to them to create, destroy, or alter reality. If not, Google it, some sites should come up with what I'm trying to get at. Apparently, the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know?" goes into a bit of detail about this kind of study as well...

Quantum Mechanics says nothing about telepathy, telekinesis or any other scifish abilities. People use QT to justify all kinds of far fetched things, basically most of the arguments go along these lines: Lots of weird and unknown things are happening in QT, no one is really certain what is going on, so my belief X could be explained by QT and you can’t offer any evidence it isn’t so let’s believe it is. This commits two huge fallacies: an inappropriate shift of the burden of evidence and Ad ignorantiam (Appeal to ignorance).

I would suggest checking out some more "objective" sources. For example, PBS's "NOVA" did a great introduction to Quantum Physics--it's called the "Elegant Universe" and you can actually watch the whole thing on NOVA's website.

More objective sources sound like the key to help you understand QT and while it isn't against the bible or anyhting. But, I disliked NOVA’s publication, You should read the book before watching NOVA's special. The book is watered down enough to the point of where almost anyone can follow it, but the NOVA special goes a bit too far and doesn’t really say much of anything at all.

 

[JonF]

It is quite a bit more than "hypothesis."

Except for that whole relativity thing and lack of a unified theory.

 

[depthdeception]

Well, yes. Hypothosis was far to weak of a term, I meant to say something more along the lines of it hasn't been proven yet. (the first post) This isn't to mean it's not true, as apparently we can't prove God either. It hasn't been proven right?

The bits about telepathy and telekinesis are not necessarily a part of quantum physics--possible extrapolations, perhaps, but not central to the scientific theory. As a theory, however, quantum physics is an established theory that has been used successfully for over 30 years now. As a theory, therefore, it is quite sound (what some might call "proof").

 

[depthdeception]

Except for that whole relativity thing and lack of a unified theory.

Sounds a lot like biblical hermeneutics...

 

[RenHoek]

However, if these things have a truly scientific basis (I'm talking, "the way things just are" like the world being round, not theories such as whether evolution is true or not) then that would suggest they follow the laws of the physical world, laws that God put into place Himself. That in turn would suggest that telekinesis and telepathy, on a scientific level and not as an Occult practice, are in fact things God intended for us to use in our time here on earth. This was the first dent in my faith today.

Just because God put any laws into place does not mean that we were meant to use/exploit these powers. God put natural poisons on this Earth, but I would doubt they are for casual use. Not the best analogy perhaps, but I hope you see where I am going.

I personally think that there is much to the spirit realm that we obviously do not see. I think there are powers (prayer, fasting, righteous living) that bring us power that we can not understand. Conversely, there are other powers we can tap into…at a cost.

I am not convinced that chi (eastern theology) is complete bunk. I think that there are energies and powers that science cannot measure. It is pure arrogance to assume that something does not exist just because we cannot measure it.

1 Corinthians 1:
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--and righteousness and sanctification and redemption-- 31 that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the Lord." F3

Point being, as much as we think we know, we are incapable of any real knowledge apart from God. We think we know, but we just don’t know, and we never will. (Happy Gilmore? paraphrase)

 

[JonF]

Sounds a lot like biblical hermeneutics...

Haha that’s probably the funniest thing I’ve ever read on this forum

 

[depthdeception]

Haha that’s probably the funniest thing I’ve ever read on this forum

And probably the most accurate, am I right?