Not orthodox Christianity.We can do nothing to have brought the Kingdom into being, yes. But we have plenty change to make in rejecting the self interest of mankind for the will of God that loves all as self.
Straw man. . .
All who rely on observong the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10).
God temporarily added the Mosaic Covenant to the Abrahamic Covenant (Galatians 3:19; Romans 5:20), and God can subtract the Mosaic Covenant from the Abrahamic Covenant.
Not according to God's New Covenant revelation that those laws and regulations have been abolished on the cross (Ephesians 2:15).
On what authority does one override God's NT revelation?
Does it matter when when there is no in-between?for him, to die is gain, because it means being present with the Lord (Philippians 1:21-23).
You said it was absurd that a curse is attached to the Law.
That was not the issue.
That is one interpretation. There are some heavier commandments to consider.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Since we are not under the law, I reject the commandments taken from the law.
Does this mean we should sin by no means, BUT we should be preaching this off the roof tops and letting Jesus Christ transform people with his word.
It is all about one's motive.
Do you keep Jesus's commands because you love him!
Or
Do you keep the ten commandments because you are trying to earn your salvation?
Which is it for you?
Uh. . .when to live is Christ it does.Does it matter when when there is no in-between?
So "all those who rely on observing the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10) refersIf the curse is only for those who refuse to rely on God's law, then you should argue in favor of obeying God's law.
I have always been confused about The Doctrine of Salvation based on what Jesus said. My logical mind can not comprehend it.
Jesus effectively said that if you Love Him you shall obey his commandments, Yet, His commandments are the ten commandments.
The first five applying to God and the second five applying to man: to Love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself.
Does The Bible Negate this by stating that if you attempt to follow the ten commandments you shall fall under a curse, and that Jesus shall only ever give those The Holy Spirit who follow His commandments?
It literally makes no sense to me, it never really has been able to make sense to me.
So "all those who rely on observing the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10) refers
to all those who refuse to rely on observing God's law?
That is indeed a straw man. . .
Clare73 said:So "all those who rely on observing the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10) refers to all those who refuse to rely on observing God's law?
Oh, wow!. . .that's some seriously contorted "logic" to make your Old Covenant theology agree with New Covenant theology.They are relying on works of the law instead of relying on the Book of the Law, which is why they are under a curse. In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul associated a quote from Leviticus 18:5 with a quote from Habakkuk 2:4, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to God's law, while no one is justified before God by works of the law because they are not of faith in God, unlike God's law. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law, so it is of faith.
Oh, wow!. . .that's some seriously contorted "logic" to make your Old Covenant theology agree with New Covenant theology.
So relying on "works of the law" in obedience to God is not sufficient to justify,
but relying on the "book of the law" is sufficient to justify.
So how do you rely on the "book of the law" without obedience to it?
And then, how can it be that relying on obedience to the "book of the law" is sufficient to justify,
while relying on "works of the law" in obedience to God is not sufficient to justfy?
Go figure. . .
I have always been confused about The Doctrine of Salvation based on what Jesus said. My logical mind can not comprehend it.
Jesus effectively said that if you Love Him you shall obey his commandments, Yet, His commandments are the ten commandments.
The first five applying to God and the second five applying to man: to Love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself.
Does The Bible Negate this by stating that if you attempt to follow the ten commandments you shall fall under a curse, and that Jesus shall only ever give those The Holy Spirit who follow His commandments?
It literally makes no sense to me, it never really has been able to make sense to me.
Or with your (mis)understandig of Paul's logic.Why do you think Paul associated a quote from Leviticus 18:5 with a quote from Habakkuk 2:4?
Your problem is with Paul's logic, not with mine.
What do you mean by "God did command the Book of the Law"?God did command the Book of the Law,
So precisely how do you rely on a book?so relying on that is relying on God, but God didn't command works of the law,
Do you even understand the OT?but God didn't command works of the law
This is nonsense!so relying on them instead of relying on the Book of the Law is why people are under a curse for not doing the things in the Book of the Law. Relying on the Book of the Law involves our obedience to it.
I have heard that if anyone could be saved by keeping the Law it would have to be the Pharisees, since they were super strict with matters of the Law. So if they couldn't be saved by keeping the Law, no one can. Sure they were strict but what they practiced were their own ideas about the Law, but not the Law itself. Jesus wasn't hard on them because they tried to be righteous through the Law, but because they were hypocrites. They wanted to be honoured by men, not God. And therefore they also rejected Christ.
Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them.
— Matthew 23:1-3
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