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[Bcs90]

If God knew that man and woman would eat from the tree of knowledge and evil, why put the tree there? And if he created adam and eve truly sinless then why would they sin? Thats a contradiction. So he created them with sin in the first place. And what about a tree suddenly made them realize they were naked? You are telling me they were sinning before aka naked I guess and just didnt know it till they ate the fruit? Idk if thats a metaphor too because theres no record of any fruit trees making people anymore good or bad. Its just fruit, either edible by our digestive systems or not

 

[honey badger]

you are 100% correct ...i can explain this in detail, but will run the risk of being expelled, so if you want to discuss this pm me ...

 

[d taylor]

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Adam and Eve were created without sin but they were not created like God. Who can not sin, even angles can sin, and did. Only un-created beings can not sin and that is only the Godhead Father, Son and Spirit.

The tree was there to see if Adam and Eve would be confirmed in their righteous given to them by God when God created them. So God have to have a way for these two to be confirmed and that was the tree of life. That after a period of time, if they would have not eaten of the tree, they would have been confirmed in their righteous and would have lived for ever with God. With all people born from them also confirmed in righteous, no one would have died. Sin would have not existed on earth and satan would have be sent to the lake of fire along with all the angels who followed satan in his revolt against God.

 

[timf]

This gets to the heart of the "free will" "determinism" controversy. God did not create robots so he was prepared to deal with poor free will choices. In fact he planned that Jesus would have to pay for sins from before creation.

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[2PhiloVoid]

If God knew that man and woman would eat from the tree of knowledge and evil, why put the tree there? And if he created adam and eve truly sinless then why would they sin? Thats a contradiction.

No. Your question imputes a false inference ...

The problem here is in the way you're conceptualizing the essence of the term "sinlessness."

We have to know what this means, not just guess at it. Is sinlessness a built-in propensity? Or, is it merely a description about their state of being at a particular time? And if all we can do is guess at it, then none of us is fully justified in defining it. However, I'm going to lean toward a definition that sees the original "sinlessness" of Adam and Eve as a state of being at a particular time in the narrative.

So he created them with sin in the first place.

No, that's not what the text says, nor does it imply it.

And what about a tree suddenly made them realize they were naked? You are telling me they were sinning before aka naked I guess and just didnt know it till they ate the fruit? Idk if thats a metaphor too because theres no record of any fruit trees making people anymore good or bad. Its just fruit, either edible by our digestive systems or not

The tree itself didn't make them realize anything. We may have to apply some intertextuality with the rest of the Torah to our attempt to interpret what is being implied here about the nature of Adam and Eve's "eating."

 

[Maria Billingsley]

If God knew that man and woman would eat from the tree of knowledge and evil, why put the tree there? And if he created adam and eve truly sinless then why would they sin? Thats a contradiction. So he created them with sin in the first place. And what about a tree suddenly made them realize they were naked? You are telling me they were sinning before aka naked I guess and just didnt know it till they ate the fruit? Idk if thats a metaphor too because theres no record of any fruit trees making people anymore good or bad. Its just fruit, either edible by our digestive systems or not

Few misconceptions....
-Adam and Eve were sinless until they sinned so they were not created in perfection.
-They were tested by the serpent and fell from grace when given a choice.
-The whole reason for testing is not for God, who already knows, but for man who does not. Once they do know, they then have the freedom of choosing Him or not.

Blessings.

 

[BobRyan]

If God knew that man and woman would eat from the tree of knowledge and evil, why put the tree there?

Excellent question

God could always have chosen to create robots and have no problems at all for all eternity.

But God deliberately created sinless perfect intelligent life. He constantly gives little opportunities for his creation to exercise choice, free will, ...

And if he created adam and eve truly sinless then why would they sin?

Because He chose to give them choice, free will ... not simply "pre-programming"

Thats a contradiction. So he created them with sin in the first place.

Only if He was creating a mere machine, a mere robot. In that case then if the robot makes a bad choice it's the programmer's fault.

God is not limited to merely being a software programmer. He is not limited to just making really fancy robots.

And what about a tree suddenly made them realize they were naked? You are telling me they were sinning before aka naked I guess and just didnt know it till they ate the fruit?

IT is literal. They wore no clothes such as we have today - but they had robes of light - just as do the Angels. They would appear has clothing made out of very bright light. When they sinned those robes vanished.

Idk if thats a metaphor too because theres no record of any fruit trees making people anymore good or bad. Its just fruit, either edible by our digestive systems or not

What made it "bad" was the command not to eat it because then doing so - would be "sin" -- it would be in violation of the Word of God. That alone was the problem.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I have come to believe that Jesus showed us the Father in a perfect way. We know that Jesus "emptied Himself" of certain divine rights so He would be subject to suffering and death. I believe if Jesus was a perfect image of the Father, then this action showed us an aspect of the Father's nature. When God created the universe, He released certain aspects of His divine rights and sovereignty for the purpose of accomplishing His will. The goal was to allow for the generation of a family. Those aspects included things like immediate control and sovereignty. By that, I mean when He created a thing, He released a portion of His control and sovereignty into that thing so it could exist independently of Him and interact with other created things. IOWs the universe is separate from its Creator. The things created are not acting according to his immediate orchestration or authentication. This does not only include humans with free will but also all created things. A rock can roll down a hill without His active orchestration. Of course, He may intervene and prevent things from happening. An asteroid approaches the earth; God can change its course. But the default setting in the universe is that anything can happen. It does not have to receive immediate approval from God. Accidents happen. There is the element of chance in creation. So God's relation with the universe is one of an intervener, not an orchestrator. Again, He can step in and prevent or initiate any time He wants, but He essentially simply allows things to happen. This process is called the "course of nature."
Having said that. The answer to the OP, IMHO, is that. His goal was to allow for the generation of a family. So in order to achieve that goal, He had to have a "creation of the possible." Hence Adam and Eve had to have the potential to fail.
The bottom line... creation had to be at risk. It had to be subject to failure. So here we are, the end result is that God has a family that came about independently. Not commanded into existence. We are not puppets or programmed bots. This family is the result of God allowing for a free-running creation.

 

[anetazo]

NAGA in Hebrew means = To touch. Genesis chapter 3 and Corinthians chapter 11 to document.
Some churches lie to people.
Thiers no apple orchard. Adam and eve covered themselves with fig leaves.
Why??
The serpent, who is satan, beguiled eve. They had sexual intercourse.
Then Adam had sexual intercourse with eve.
Adam and eve broke Gods law by going to satan. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is satan.
God told Adam and eve to stay away from satan.
Genesis chapter 3, Eve says the serpent beguiled me.
NAGA is the key Hebrew word, means to = to touch. They had sexual intercourse.
Cain and abel are from two different fathers. Get the picture.
Cain is the seed of the devil.
Abel is seed of Adam.
Sperm in Greek means = Sperma.
Take care.

 

[Bcs90]

NAGA in Hebrew means = To touch. Genesis chapter 3 and Corinthians chapter 11 to document.
Some churches lie to people.
Thiers no apple orchard. Adam and eve covered themselves with fig leaves.
Why??
The serpent, who is satan, beguiled eve. They had sexual intercourse.
Then Adam had sexual intercourse with eve.
Adam and eve broke Gods law by going to satan. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is satan.
God told Adam and eve to stay away from satan.
Genesis chapter 3, Eve says the serpent beguiled me.
NAGA is the key Hebrew word, means to = to touch. They had sexual intercourse.
Cain and abel are from two different fathers. Get the picture.
Cain is the seed of the devil.
Abel is seed of Adam.
Sperm in Greek means = Sperma.
Take care.

That doesnt sound right

 

[anetazo]

I documented it. I told the truth. I went to original language of Hebrew to define NAGA. I have king James companion bible and STRONGS concordance. The old testament is Hebrew. New testament is Greek.
Its your PERAGITIVE what you do with the message. I planted seed for God, and my job is done.
Peace.