Confused Baptist on Trinity

[yungjah]

This video will help explain modalism, Arianism, partialism, etc.

Thanks for the Q&A. I am sure others will find it beneficial.

 

[JM]

This might help. It was taken from the London Baptist Confession of Faith, 1689:


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]CHAPTER 2; OF GOD AND OF THE HOLY TRINITY[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Paragraph 1. The Lord our God is but one only living and true God;1 whose subsistence is in and of Himself,2 infinite in being and perfection; whose essence cannot be comprehended by any but Himself;3 a most pure spirit,4 invisible, without body, parts, or passions, who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;5 who is immutable,6 immense,7 eternal,8 incomprehensible, almighty,9 every way infinite, most holy,10 most wise, most free, most absolute; working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will,11 for His own glory;12 most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him,13 and withal most just and terrible in His judgments,14 hating all sin,15 and who will by no means clear the guilty.16[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]1 1 Cor. 8:4,6; Deut. 6:4[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]2 Jer. 10:10; Isa. 48:12[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]3 Exod. 3:14[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]4 John 4:24[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]5 1 Tim. 1:17; Deut. 4:15,16[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]6 Mal. 3:6[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]7 1 Kings 8:27; Jer. 23:23[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]8 Ps. 90:2[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]9 Gen. 17:1[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]10 Isa. 6:3[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]11 Ps. 115:3; Isa. 46:10[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]12 Prov. 16:4; Rom. 11:36[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]13 Exod. 34:6,7; Heb. 11:6[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]14 Neh. 9:32,33[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]15 Ps. 5:5,6[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]16 Exod. 34:7; Nahum 1:2,3[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Paragraph 2. God, having all life,17 glory,18 goodness,19 blessedness, in and of Himself, is alone in and unto Himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creature which He hath made, nor deriving any glory from them,20 but only manifesting His own glory in, by, unto, and upon them; He is the alone fountain of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom are all things,21 and He hath most sovereign dominion over all creatures, to do by them, for them, or upon them, whatsoever Himself pleases;22 in His sight all things are open and manifest,23 His knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature, so as nothing is to Him contingent or uncertain;24 He is most holy in all His counsels, in all His works,25 and in all His commands; to Him is due from angels and men, whatsoever worship,26 service, or obedience, as creatures they owe unto the Creator, and whatever He is further pleased to require of them.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]17 John 5:26[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]18 Ps. 148:13[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]19 Ps. 119:68[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]20 Job 22:2,3[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]21 Rom. 11:34-36[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]22 Dan. 4:25,34,35[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]23 Heb. 4:13[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]24 Ezek. 11:5; Acts 15:18[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]25 Ps. 145:17[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]26 Rev. 5:12-14[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Paragraph 3. In this divine and infinite Being there are three subsistences, the Father, the Word or Son, and Holy Spirit,27 of one substance, power, and eternity, each having the whole divine essence, yet the essence undivided:28 the Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father;29 the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son;30 all infinite, without beginning, therefore but one God, who is not to be divided in nature and being, but distinguished by several peculiar relative properties and personal relations; which doctrine of the Trinity is the foundation of all our communion with God, and comfortable dependence on Him.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]27 1 John 5:7; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]28 Exod. 3:14; John 14:11; I Cor. 8:6[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]29 John 1:14,18[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]30 John 15:26; Gal. 4:6[/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[yungjah]

This is an informative source.

That diagram clear the air wave.

 

[yungjah]

This is an informative source.

That diagram clear the air wave.

 

[Bluelion]

I believe I made an error for "C". But pretty much I interpreted the difference right, according to your feedback.

Thanks for the explanation.

I know right @ surprised. lol. I am growing slowly spiritually and I am having fun learning.

Some people on here don't see what you are saying and then say your wrong because they don't understand it. Sorry did not mean to be rude by the surprised comment.

 

[Bluelion]

This is an informative source.

That diagram clear the air wave.

But the Father is Spirit, The Holy Spirit is Spirit, the Son is God manifested. honestly and no one will say this, they will try to explain but the answer is we do not fully understand The Father and The Holy Spirit, we understand Jesus because He came to this world and took a body, and showed us what we should be, but then again many don't understand Jesus. I am learning about The Holy Spirit, but somethings can not be made to understand in this world.

The chart said God is Not the Spirit but God is both spirit and Holy, But The Father is Not the Holy Spirit, so how are they different? I don't know. That may shake some faith but faith is not in the knowing, it is believing even though you don't fully see. Like walking cross an invisible bridge because some told you it was there. You step out and the bridge holds you, so you know its there, but you don't see it, you don't know what it is made of or how long it is or wide, you know its under your feet, your standing on it. That is all you know.

Same about The Father and Holy Spirit, we do not see but we feel, we know they are there, and they are real, but we do not fully understand. That is why we have faith. In Heaven we will understand.

really enjoy speaking with you, God bless you in your studies.

 

[JM]

Blue, the chart stated that God is spirit.

...to know the Father you know the revealed Son by the power of the Holy Spirit. You want to know God in all His fullness? Know the Son who is the perfect revelation of the Father.

 

[yungjah]

Some people on here don't see what you are saying and then say your wrong because they don't understand it. Sorry did not mean to be rude by the surprised comment.

Thats okay. The majority of us have different ways to interpret certain things. Pretty much like saying your understanding of a particular story may not be the same as someone else. Hence they invent debate.

 

[yungjah]

But the Father is Spirit, The Holy Spirit is Spirit, the Son is God manifested. honestly and no one will say this, they will try to explain but the answer is we do not fully understand The Father and The Holy Spirit, we understand Jesus because He came to this world and took a body, and showed us what we should be, but then again many don't understand Jesus. I am learning about The Holy Spirit, but somethings can not be made to understand in this world.

The chart said God is Not the Spirit but God is both spirit and Holy, But The Father is Not the Holy Spirit, so how are they different? I don't know. That may shake some faith but faith is not in the knowing, it is believing even though you don't fully see. Like walking cross an invisible bridge because some told you it was there. You step out and the bridge holds you, so you know its there, but you don't see it, you don't know what it is made of or how long it is or wide, you know its under your feet, your standing on it. That is all you know.

Same about The Father and Holy Spirit, we do not see but we feel, we know they are there, and they are real, but we do not fully understand. That is why we have faith. In Heaven we will understand.

really enjoy speaking with you, God bless you in your studies.

Based on the chart from my interpretation....

God is Spirit
God is Father
God is Son

View it from the God + is.

Then the other part says :

Father is not Son
Spirit is not Son
Father is not Spirit

It may be confusing to people, but the focus is on God is of those three personality/persons.

 

[Bluelion]

Blue, the chart stated that God is spirit.

...to know the Father you know the revealed Son by the power of the Holy Spirit. You want to know God in all His fullness? Know the Son who is the perfect revelation of the Father.

that's what I mean I found the chart confusing

 

[JM]

This is an informative source.

That diagram clear the air wave.

Glad I could help.

 

[Skala]

*edit* just realized JM posted a similar graphic!

The Trinity explained:

 

[JM]

*edit* just realized JM posted a similar graphic!

The Trinity explained:

I've always liked it.

For our Arabic posters:

 

[JM]

For those who break the 2nd commandment:

 

[AvgJoe]

Good day all. Decided to take my concerns to a forum and frankly, I am a new member of this site. Joined today. I do hope that through this site, I can grow spiritually as I try to understand who God is.

I have started reading my bible since the late part of last year from the book of Genesis, now at Ezekiel due to inconsistency with my reading plan.

I've been baffled while trying to understand the trinity for quiet some time and just yesterday, something else came up regards Virgin Mary and Joseph.

Picture my confusion with regards the Trinity. While Jesus was on the cross, He made few statements, one of which was, "Father, do not forsake me." There are few verses with the line, "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." Also, to take in mind, if God created the earth and all that is it in [according to the book of Genesis], why is that in the New Testament we read [or heard] about Virgin Mary giving birth to Jesus?

Through the reading of the old testament up to Ezekiel, I realize that Jesus' name was never mentioned. It is always God. Am I to interpret that Jesus came into existence to minister the gospel in human form like a niche to God? In other words, understanding that the trinity is in three forms, each played a role.

The following link will take you to a webpage that I found immensely helpful when I was trying to understand the Trinity~~~> The Trinity .