1. you need to understand what 'shutdoor' really is, not what an adventist hate site says.
I know what the shut door is. it is you my friend who do not know. I did not get my info from the Anti-ellen white site. I got it from a number of SDA books. including George Knights "Millennial Fever". Knight is the most respected Historian in the SDA Church. His book is about the Millerite movement and its After math. I suggest you read it before you make accusation about who know's what.
I also read a Doctorial dissertation about the Advent Christian Christ about their development into a denomination. They trace there roots back to miller's movement as well. They were the main body of Adventist. They were the one's who rejected the Shut Door movement.
WHAT IS THE SHUT DOOR MOVEMENT ???
The Shut door movement was one of the Branches that the Millerite broke into after the 1844 disappointment.
Here is a list of the following break down of the millerite groups.
a. The age to come Adventist - became Advent Christian Church
b. The Life and Death Adventist - became Advent Christian Church
c. The Evanglical Adventist - lasted until 1914- merge with ACC
d. The Spiritualizer - Adventist - rejected by main body became SDA church or Church of God SD or Jehovha Wittnesses
e. The Sabbatarian Adventist - rejected by main body became SDA church or Church of God SD
f. The Shut Door Adventist.- rejected by main body became SDA church or Church of God SD
g. Those who went back to The mainline church
This Information is well chronicled SDA literature. Check out the book "Light Bears to the Remnant." it will verify what I have said here.
The Shut Door Movement was based on the belief That William Miller was giving the final warning before the return of Christ and all who rejected the Message would be lost. The Idea came from the Parable of the 10 virgins all of which were waiting for Jesus to retun but only 5 were prepared to enter the wedding feast when he came. The other 5 were left to go and buy oil and when they came back they found the door to the wedding was shut and they were able to be saved, hence the term "Shut Door" .
The Idea originated BEFORE the "Great Disapointment" of October 22 1844 and contiuned about the spiritualizers, sabbatarians and shut door belivers.
the Main body of Millerite Adventist Rejeted the Idea saying Miller was wrong and that the lost world still could be saved, but the Shut door belivers contiuned to believe that the Door of salvation was shut and that those who rejectd William Millers failed message of christ return could not be saved. They thought Miller was mostly right and Jesus was coming back and it was right around the corner. William Miller Himself was a member of the Shut Door movement for a breif time, but ultimately went back to the main body. Joseph Bates a prominate member of the Millerite movement was the head of the Sabbatrian, Shut door, Spritualizers. This movement would eventually become one of 2 chruches the Seventh day Chruch of God and the Seventh-day Adventist Chruch. The fracture coming in the mid 1850's while the movement was in New York state.
The problem for us today is not what was the "Shut Door Movement", it is well doucmented,The Main focus is rather what did Ellen White say about it. Those who claim it is a mysterous thing are usually trying to proctet SDA'ism from the ramifacations of it. This is where the problem comes in for the supporters of Ellen White. The "Shut Door Movement" after the "Great Disappointment" of October 22, 1844 still believed that Jesus was coming very soon, they still believed Millers Movement was of God and Miller had given the final warning to the world. The problem is that Jesus did not come as Miller predicted so they had to come up with another reason for the the failuer.
The first thing they had to do was give a
valid explination as to why people should still follow, people were giving up. One reason was that was given was that Miller was right, Jesus is still coming , but we are in the "
Tarrying Time." We are on trial to see if we will be faithful. T
he "Tarrying Time" is Going last 7 years until 1851, at which Time Jesus will return. "The Tarrying Time"Based on Bates application of the day year principle to the 7 blood drops on the horns of the alter of incence in the sancturay. Why he applies the day year principal there is a mystery and bad theology.
The Second thing that happended was they had to
explain the failuer of 1844. That was solved by coming up with
the Investigative Judgement. Jesus had entered the Most Holy place in 1844 and was now reviewing the records when he got done he would come back. that would be in 7 years in 1851
The third thing that happened and the most revelent to us is that
a prophetic anointing was given to Support
the "Shut Door Theroy" this came in the form of EGW and this is the focus of our disussion. What did Ellen acctually say about about a movement THAT WAS WRONG.
The "Shut Door Movement" was based on the teaching of "The Shut Door teaching
a. William Miller Gave the Final warning call of repentance to the world
b. The world rejected the final message and is lost. no more sinners can come to christ.
c. Jesus is coming back in 1851 at the end of the "Terrying time"
d. The reason for the terrying time is the "review of the records in heven"
Questions to Consider.
1. Did EGW Endorse William Millers movement as of God? Yes or NO
2. Did she endorse Millers movenent as the final call to the world.? Yes or No
3. Did She endorse the idea that the world rejected the final call from Miller? yes or no
4. Did she endorse the door of salvation was shut and were they lost for rejecting Millers Movement? yes or no
5. Did she endore the idea that Jesus was coming back in 1851? yes or no
6. If she did endorse any of the following how was it endorsed.
a. personal opinon, personal conclusion
b. careful study of the scripture.- theological opinion
c. A vision from God or a statement from an angel. Heavens opinon
7. Were any of the statements conditional in any way? If so what were they
a. time
b. behavior
c. other.
d. not conditional.
These are the options. I hope we can have a fruitful learning experiance.
If you would like to read might i suggest the Following literature.
a. George R. Knight,
Millennial Fever, (1993) Boise, Idaho: Pacific Press Publishing Association you must purchace it on line used as it is out of print.
b. "Light bearers to the Remenant" Pacific Press. available throught the ABC
c. Ronald Numbers and Jonathan Butler,
The Disappointed. (1987) Indiana: University Press.
d. The Development of the Advent Christian Church. Aroura Universtiy Press
e. 'Joseph Bates: The Real founder of Seventh-day Adventism" by Geroge Knight, Review and & Hearld
2. Jesus seemed to also predict that generation (when Christ was on earth) will see all the signs of the end. Surely not all the signs of the end were seen by that generation. If you do not have a problem with that prediction, then the 1856 vision should not be a problem.
Jesus is Lord and Ellen is not. You are impling that Jesus failed and is unreliable, because ellen failed and is unreliable. your are reasoning from excuse.
I think I've heard of him.
