Conditional Nature of EGW's Prophecies

[Adventist Dissident]

read the post #37 and an the article on the Shut Door from the White Estate.

Lets review there summary
starting at the bottom of the list.


18. While Ellen White's personal beliefs underwent a gradual modification during this period, I find no evidence that she at any time taught theological error in her shut door writings.
The analize the #18 to see if there they are being completely honest

While Ellen White's personal beliefs underwent a gradual modification during this period,

This post is saying that the views held by Ellen Changed slowly. That is true. I agree
In other words she did not give them up right away. Which is also True. I agree
It also tells us that she changed her view. This is true. I agree. And verifies the statment I made eailer about the fact the she changed.

As far as EGW view are concern this is a true statment. What is left out that All the shut door believer went through changes. The entire movement went throught changes.
I find no evidence that she at any time taught theological error in her shut door writings.

Either He is completely igornant of what the "shut door" means or he is delibertily minipulating information. What he may be saying is that her offical writing and Her vision are considered 2 seprate things so he is saying that the "writings" don't say it, and then leaves us to concluded that the "visions" don't either.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

17. While the term "shut door" at first was used to indicate probation's close in 1844, it soon came to mean the close of Christ's ministry in the first apartment of the heavenly sanctuary. It stood for a change of Christ's ministry in heaven on October 22, 1844.


Review

17. While the term "shut door" at first was used to indicate probation's close in 1844, it soon came to mean the close of Christ's ministry in the first apartment of the heavenly sanctuary. This is true and we agree.

The term "shut door" was first used to mean probation or salvation for sinners was over no more sinner could be saved. It was under this understanding EGW had her vision in 1845. It which she was show in vision, from God that the door of salvation being closed. The problem was that the door of salvation was still open. Why would God send EGW information that was incorrect? He would not. This is where the heart of the problem is. If Ellen were a true prophet God would have sent her a message saying "The door of mercy is still open stop teahing that and go and save people." Do you see the Problem?

It eventually changed to mean christ entering the heavently sanctruary. The Problem is it does not tell you when it changed. It makes it seem as though it was not gradual. From the previous post we see that "the shut door" teaching was slow in changing and gradually became the reinterpation of the original teaching.

It stood for a change of Christ's ministry in heaven on October 22, 1844. we Agree. The term did come to mean something different, but it origanlally ment salvation was lost for the world. But When did the "shut door" come under "reinterpation"??? We shall see later

 

[Adventist Dissident]

15. February, 1845 Vision--This Vision Persuaded Many to Believe in the Shut Door.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In her letter of July 13, 1847, to Joseph Bates, Ellen White recounts the circumstances surrounding not only her first vision (Dec., 1844), but also the vision of February, 1845. She stated:

Brother Bates, you write in a letter to James something about the Bridegroom's coming, as stated in the first published visions. By the letter you would like to know whetherI had light on the Bridegroom's coming before I saw it in vision. I can readily answer, No. The Lord showed me [p. 10] the travail of the Advent band and midnight cry in December [1844], but He did not show me the Bridegroom's coming until February following.
Perhaps you would like to have me give a statement in relation to both visions. At the time I had the vision of the midnight cry I had given it up in the past and thought it future, as also most of the band had. I know not what time J. Turner got out his paper. I knew he had one out and one was in the house, but I knew not what was in it, for I did not read a word in it. I had been, and still was very sick. I took no interest in reading, for it injured my head and made me nervous.
After I had the vision and God gave me light, He bade me deliver it to the band, but I shrank from it. I was young, and I thought they would not receive it from me. I disobeyed the Lord, and instead of remaining at home, where the meeting was to be that night, I got in a sleigh in the morning and rode three or four miles and there I found Joseph Turner. He merely inquired how I was and if I was in the way of my duty. I said nothing, for I knew I was not.
I passed up [to the] chamber and did not see him again for two hours, when he came up, asked if I was to be at meeting that night. I told him, no. He said he wanted to hear my vision and thought it duty for me to go home. I told him I should not. He said no more, but went away.
I thought, and told those around me, if I went I should have to come out against his views, thinking he believed with the rest. I had not told any of them what God had shown me, and I did not tell them in what I should cut across his track.
All that day I suffered much in body and mind. It seemed that God had forsaken me entirely. I prayed the Lord if He would give me strength to ride home that night, the first opportunity I would deliver the message He had given me. He did give me strength and I rode home that night. Meeting had been done some time, and not a word was said by any of the family about the meeting.
Very early next morning Joseph Turner called, said he was in haste going out of the city in a short time, and wanted I should tell him all that God had shown me in vision. It was with fear and trembling I told him all. After I had got through he said he had told out the same last evening. I rejoiced, for I expected he was coming out against me, for all the while I had not heard anyone say what he believed. He said the Lord had sent him to hear me talk the evening before, but as I would not, he meant his children should have the light in some way, so he took him.
There were but few out when he talked, so the next meeting I told my vision, and the band, believing my visions from God, received what God bade me to deliver to them.
The view about the Bridegroom's coming I had about the middle of February, 1845.
While in Exeter, Maine, in meeting with Israel Dammon, James, and many others, many of them did not believe in a shut door. I suffered much at the commencement of the meeting. Unbelief seemed to be on every hand. [Unbelief in the shut door]
There was one sister there that was called very spiritual. She had traveled and been a powerful preacher the most of the time for twenty years. She had been truly a mother in Israel. But a division had risen in the band on the shut door. She had great sympathy, and could not believe the door was shut. (I had known nothing of their difference.) Sister Durben got up to talk. I felt very, very sad.
[p. 11] At length my soul seemed to be in an agony, and while she was talking I fell from my chair to the floor. It was then I had a view of Jesus rising from His mediatorial throne and going to the holiest as Bridegroom to receive His kingdom. They were all deeply interested in the view. They all said it was entirely new to them. The Lord worked in mighty power setting the truth home to their hearts.
Sister Durben knew what the power of the Lord was, for she had felt it many times; and a short time after I fell she was struck down, and fell to the floor, crying to God to have mercy on her. When I came out of vision, my ears were saluted with Sister Durben's singing and shouting with a loud voice.
Most of them received the vision, and were settled upon the shut door. Previous to this I had no light on the coming of the Bridegroom, but had expected Him to this earth to deliver His people on the tenth day of the seventh month. I did not hear a lecture or a word in any way relating to the Bridegroom's going to the holiest.-- Letter 3, 1847. (To Joseph Bates, July 13, 1847)

Notice the last highlighted section

1. Most people had abonded the shut door theroy
2. A vision revived there belief in the shut door
3. EGW vison settled the matter

so another words most people had lost intrest in the MILLERITE MOVEMENT AND BELIEVED salvation was still available to to the world and EGW came in and got them to believe the door of salvation was shut and Miller Hand given the final warning.
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[Adventist Dissident]

From the White Estate Their conclusions:

(which I believe is minipulated and will demonstrate later)


Summary and Conclusions

1. For a few weeks after the Great Disappointment, Ellen Harmon and many others believed that the door of mercy had been forever closed for the whole world. Christ's return was expected at any time. (See entries 1-3.)
2. About a month or so after the disappointment, Ellen changed her mind. She decided that the Millerite computations were a mistake and that their interpretations of Scripture were wrong, and that no door affecting man's salvation had yet been closed. (Entry no. 4.)
3. In December, 1844, Ellen's first vision led her to the conclusion that the Millerite Movement with its interpretation of Daniel 8:14 was of God after all. This led her to reaffirm once again her view of a shut door. She concluded correctly that there was a shut door on October 22, 1844. She concluded incorrectly that the door of mercy was closed on that day for everyone in the world. She saw that two groups of sinners--the apostate Millerites and the wicked world--had sinned away their day of grace. She failed to recognize, however, that there was a third category--the honest in heart who had never heard or fully appreciated the Millerite message in the first place. (Entries 5-9.)
4. In February, 1845, the Lord showed Ellen that although one door was indeed shut in heaven on October 22, 1844, another door was opened. Ellen did not understand the meaning of this "open door." (Entries 14-16.)
5. At the Albany Conference, April 29-May 1, 1845, most of the Millerite leaders dropped all their previous ideas of a shut door and rejected their own previous interpretations of Scripture which had led them to the October 22, 1844 date. No door, they said, had been closed at that time. They became known [p. 57] as the "open door" Adventists. October 22, 1844, lost all significance for them. (Entries 18-19.)
6. By way of contrast, Ellen Harmon, James White, Joseph Bates, and their friends were now known as the "Shut Door" Adventists--those who held that prophecy had been fulfilled on October 22, 1844. This date soon became a major cornerstone in their developing theology. The phrase "shut door" stood for the integrity of the October 22, 1844, date. (Entry no. 23.)
7. The Lord never at any time showed Ellen White that no more sinners would be converted. She was always prepared to welcome honest souls who sought to fellowship with the little flock. Apparently, however, her missionary endeavors for several years were directed exclusively--or almost so--to former Millerites and to the children of those who belonged to the various advent bands. (Entries 24, 25, 84.)
8. After Ellen White accepted the Sabbath in the autumn of 1846 she felt the burden, with her husband, of carrying this new and important truth to the advent bands. The two principal doctrines dwelt upon by Joseph Bates, James White and Ellen White were the Shut Door (integrity of the 1844 movement) and the Sabbath. (Entries 26, 32.)
9. In November 1848, Ellen White saw in vision that the Sabbath-keeping Adventists should begin a publishing ministry. (Entries 34-35.)
10. On January 5, 1849, Ellen White saw that not every case was yet decided for salvation or destruction. The door of mercy obviously was still open. (Entry no. 36.)
11. By November, 1849, honest souls were "seeking for the truth," and joining the Sabbathkeepers. Their numbers were "constantly increasing." By now Ellen White and others must have been convinced that their earlier concept of the shut door was too limited. (Entry no. 42.)
12. One reason that the "Sabbath and Shut Door" Adventists did not urge their ministry upon the world at large was due to the strong prejudice against them. However, by 1851 this prejudice had gradually begun to dissipate. (Entry no. 57.)
13. The conversion of Heman Churchill, on or before July 6, 1850, must have made a deep impression upon James White. He took occasion to mention in the Advent Review that one had been converted "who had not been in the advent." (Entries 55-56.)
[p. 58]
14. On July 29, 1850, Ellen White stated clearly that converts to the truth would include "others who had not heard the Advent doctrine and rejected it." Heman Churchill's example was to be followed by others. (Entry no. 59.)
15. By August 19, 1851, the door was "open almost everywhere." By late 1851 there were many among the Sabbath and Shut Door people who "had but little or no experience in the advent movement." (Entry no. 81.)
16. It took about seven years, from 1844 to 1851, for most Sabbath-keeping Adventists to realize that a major mission to the world still lay ahead of them in the proclamation of the third angel's message.
17. While the term "shut door" at first was used to indicate probation's close in 1844, it soon came to mean the close of Christ's ministry in the first apartment of the heavenly sanctuary. It stood for a change of Christ's ministry in heaven on October 22, 1844.
18. While Ellen White's personal beliefs underwent a gradual modification during this period, I find no evidence that she at any time taught theological error in her shut door writings.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I think the order is intentionally minipulated to hide and protect EGW. It is ordered this way to confuse the read and make it seem one way when it is not. I think A revised order will clarify things. I also think that they are "intentionally" leaving out information in order to have the reader draw the wrong conclusion"


(Revised Order for Clarity) (My Comments in Blue)

Summary and Conclusions


17. While the term "shut door" at first was used to indicate probation's close in 1844, it soon ("soon" this is not correct and will be contrdicted by the White estate later) came to mean the close of Christ's ministry in the first apartment of the heavenly sanctuary. It stood for a change of Christ's ministry in heaven on October 22 1844.(this was made up later to expalin why christ did not come in 1851at the end of the "Investigative Judgement").

18. While Ellen White's personal beliefs underwent a gradual modification during this period, (this contradicts the previsous post, #17. which is it soon, which is quickly or gradual, which is slowly ? The whole "shut door" movement had a gradual change.) I find no evidence that she at any time taught theological error (As have seen there is error see #2)in her shut door writings.

1. For a few weeks after the Great Disappointment, Ellen Harmon and many others believed that the door of mercy had been forever closed for the whole world. Christ's return was expected at any time. (See entries 1-3.) (this is true, and she was wrong the of mercy was still open) Closed Door
2. About a month or so after the disappointment, Ellen changed her mind. She decided that the Millerite computations were a mistake and that their interpretations of Scripture were wrong, and that no door affecting man's salvation had yet been closed. (Entry no. 4.) (Ellen was correct the door of mercy was still open, but she would later change her mind). Open Door

3. In December, 1844, Ellen's first vision led her to the conclusion that the Millerite Movement with its interpretation of Daniel 8:14 was of God after all. This led her to reaffirm once again her view of a shut door. (This is correct. EGW correctlyl had concluded that the "door of mercy" was still open and then had a vision and concluded, incorrectly that it was shut and no sinner could be saved. She concluded correctly that there was a shut door on October 22, 1844. (this is WRONG and based on the belief in the investigative judgement. Which is a false teaching and made up in order to explain why the door was shut again and what they were waiting for.O.R.L. Croiser, the one who made up the IJ teaching would later resounce it, tells us it was made up to explain why the "shut door", the belief that salvation was lost for the world, was still valid. http://www.ex-sda.com/crosier_b.htm) She concluded incorrectly that the door of mercy was closed on that day for everyone in the world. She saw that two groups of sinners--the apostate Millerites ( The main line body, of which William Miller was a part of,) and the wicked world--had sinned away their day of grace. (She would later say the the "Holy angles were waiting at WM's grave to awaken him.) She failed to recognize, however, that there was a third category--the honest in heart who had never heard or fully appreciated the Millerite message in the first place. (Entries 5-9.) (The question is Why? Why didn't Jesus just say hey Ellen, the salvation is still available, Go and find the lost.)
4. In February, 1845, the Lord showed Ellen that although one door was indeed shut in heaven on October 22, 1844, another door was opened. (It nevers says that, Now we are getting in to the heart of the problem ) Ellen did not understand the meaning of this "open door." (Entries 14-16.) Closed Door


5. At the Albany Conference, April 29-May 1, 1845, most of the Millerite leaders dropped all their previous ideas of a shut door and rejected their own previous interpretations of Scripture which had led them to the October 22, 1844 date. No door, they said, had been closed at that time. (Again they are correct, the door of salvation is still open). They became known [p. 57] as the "open door" Adventists. October 22, 1844, lost all significance for them. (there is a very good reason for this) (Entries 18-19.) Millerite's believe in Open Door

6. By way of contrast, Ellen Harmon, James White, Joseph Bates, and their friends were now known as the "Shut Door" Adventists--those who held that prophecy had been fulfilled on October 22, 1844.(& that probation had closed and jesus was coming in 1851) This date soon became a major cornerstone in their developing theology. The phrase "shut door" stood for the integrity of the October 22, 1844, date. (Entry no. 23.) ( the shut door, stood for the belief William Miller had given the final warning , the door of salvation, or door of mercy was shut, all who had not accepted MIller were lost, that jesus in doing the investigative judgement to determine who were real christian and who were not and that Jesus was coming and the end of the investigative judgement in 1851.) Door Shut.

7. The Lord never at any time showed Ellen White that no more sinners would be converted. (This is just plaine fales, Ellen was shown in vision that the door of mercy was shut and Christ was coming to recieve his Kingdom. She also got other to believe this as well. This is the CENTER OF THE PROBLEM ) She was always prepared to welcome honest souls who sought to fellowship with the little flock. Apparently, however, her missionary endeavors for several years were directed exclusively--or almost so--to former Millerites and to the children of those who belonged to the various advent bands. (because they were the only ones who were saved) (Entries 24, 25, 84.)


8. After Ellen White accepted the Sabbath in the autumn of 1846 she felt the burden, with her husband, of carrying this new and important truth to the advent bands. The two principal doctrines dwelt upon by Joseph Bates, James White and Ellen White were the Shut Door (integrity of the 1844 movement) [This is The most blantant attempt to twist the meaning of the shut door, remember from #17 the shut door had 2 meanings 1. The close of Probation for the world, 2.Jesus Changed from Holy Place to Most Holy Place. from post #18 We find that ellen changed her shut door view slowly. In 1846 she still believed that Jesus was coming in 1851, the reason she only reached out the the Millerites is that they were the only ones that could be saved, the world had rejected the final warning of William Miller] and the Sabbath. (Entries 26, 32.)
9. In November 1848, Ellen White saw in vision that the Sabbath-keeping Adventists should begin a publishing ministry. (Entries 34-35.)
10. On January 5, 1849, Ellen White saw that not every case was yet decided for salvation or destruction. The door of mercy obviously was still open. (Entry no. 36.)
11. By November, 1849, honest souls were "seeking for the truth," and joining the Sabbathkeepers. Their numbers were "constantly increasing." By now Ellen White and others must have been convinced that their earlier concept of the shut door was too limited. (Entry no. 42.)
12. One reason that the "Sabbath and Shut Door" Adventists did not urge their ministry upon the world at large was due to the strong prejudice against them. However, by 1851 this prejudice had gradually begun to dissipate. (Entry no. 57.)
13. The conversion of Heman Churchill, on or before July 6, 1850, must have made a deep impression upon James White. He took occasion to mention in the Advent Review that one had been converted "who had not been in the advent." (Entries 55-56.)
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14. On July 29, 1850, Ellen White stated clearly that converts to the truth would include "others who had not heard the Advent doctrine and rejected it." Heman Churchill's example was to be followed by others. (Entry no. 59.) (it started to become clear that jesus was not coming, again)
15. By August 19, 1851, the door was "open almost everywhere." (which was the original postion in 1844, salvation was still available) By late 1851 there were many among the Sabbath and Shut Door people who "had but little or no experience in the advent movement." (Entry no. 81.) (which was convient for EGW, for no one knew her eailer statments and had nothing to compare to.)
16. It took about seven years, from 1844 to 1851, for most Sabbath-keeping Adventists to realize that a major mission to the world still lay ahead of them in the proclamation of the third angel's message. It took 7 years, becacuse they believed Jesus was coming in 7 years 1851. As far as there mission. They Had to come up with a "new purpose" for existance, So the Leodica message was invented. BTW , Joseph BATEs was the leader of the Sabbatrian- Shut door movement from 1844-1850/1 . Then Ellen and Jame White in order to keep power blamed the failuer of Jesus return on Joseph Bates and kicked out of the leader ship postion.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

ORL Croiser: The Investigative Judgement Originator, says He made it up to explain why the Door of Mercy was still shut, and why the world could not be saved.

INQUIRY -- THE SANCTUARY, &c.
Bro. Crosier:

1. Are your views the same now on the sanctuary as published in the Advent Review? If so, will you inform me by letter or other way through the Harbinger?
2. Tell us whether you now believe that Christ entered into the most holy place on the tenth day of the seventh month 1844. If so, how you obtain that knowledge, whether by a new revelation or by the old one, and where?
3. If you believe Christ entered immediately into the most holy place, even heaven itself, and has offered his blood 1800 years ago, or ever since?
4. We feel somewhat interested in this, as our Sabbath (Saturday) keepers throw out that they do not know how you would answer your own article on that subject. We should like to know whether you are disposed to answer it or not?
5. Furthermore, if you feel free to do so, will you say whether you enjoyed your mind better while keeping the Sabbath than since? If so, what was the cause. Those here that keep the Sabbath say they enjoy themselves better than before, because they keep all the commandments.

Yours,

Chelsea, Mich. J. B. FRISBIE

ANSWER:​

1. My view have been somewhat changed on the subject of the "Sanctuary" since 1845, when I wrote the article on the Law of Moses, from which the Sabbatarian Adventists quote so often. As early as 1848 I saw enough of the nature of the coming Age to satisfy my mind that our view on the Atonement needed some modifying. The above named persons [the Sabbatarian Adventists] appear to me to be insincere in quoting from that article, (1) because they know that it was written for the express purpose of explaining and proving the doctrine of the "shut door" which they now, I understand, disclaim. (2) The persons referred to never received my views on the Atonement, as their leaders well know; and the points on which we always differed were the means of leading me out from shut door errors.
2. I think we have no means of knowing the precise time when the antitype of the ancient 10th day of the 7th month service did or will begin; but we have evidence that it will not close the "door of mercy" against all the previous impenitent. According to the best light I can obtain from the Scriptures, I conclude that that service will occupy the next age. I have no confidence in any "revelation" except those contained in the Bible.
3. I think the terms "the most holy place" and "heaven itself," as they occur in Heb. ix. are not convertible. The contrast, you will see by verse 24, is between "the holy places made with hands" and "heaven itself." In my opinion we fail to see much of the instruction obtained in the type, if we confound the services of the "holy place" with those of the "most holy place." They had distinct apartments in the sanctuary, services were performed at different times, and under different circumstances. These differences are recognized in the New Testament exposition. For the law to have a complete "shadow of good things to come," it must, like the prophecies, indicate the Age to come. -- This I think it does in the atonement services of the sanctuary. I see no more evidence that our Great High Priest entered upon the antitype of the peculiar service performed in the holy of holies on the 10th day of the 7th month under the law when he ascended to heaven, than that the millenium began at that time.
4. If they consider that article unanswerable, why do they disclaim the doctrine of the shut door which it teaches? Is it to shun reproach, and to get access to intelligent people under false colors? I exceedingly regret ever having published the errors contained in that article and feel thankful to our heavenly Father for the clear light of his word which enabled me to see and renounce them. The many truths it contains are still precious; and had I time to write and means to publish, I would like to separate the latter from the former and more clearly and fully develop them.
5. What enjoyment I had while trying to keep the Sabbath is not to be placed to its credit. I had as much before, and more since. My observations and experience have convinced me that there is no real Christian enjoyment in attempts at Sabbath keeping. The enjoyment persons have in such attempts spring from other sources -- from having the prejudice of early and erroneous education satisfied, and from preventing disunion among believers, and from truths they may hold in practice. The Sabbath is legal, not Christian; therefore it cannot yield Christian enjoyment. It carries with it the spirit of "bondage" as all know who have tried to keep it; and torments with a constant consciousness of coming short of meeting its imperious demands. How often have I heard Sabbatarians say, "We can't keep it: we do the best we can; yet we can't keep it according to the Bible." The reason is, it was never designed for Christians to keep. Hence there are no directions in the New Testament how to keep it, nor to keep it at all. The Sabbatarian leaders never considered me sound on that question. I could not "wrest" the plain language of Scriptures to suit my prejudices and theories with so much facility as they. I had to admit it all, though my prejudices made the Scriptures appear to contradict themselves, and then decide what was duty from what seemed the balance of obligation, all things considered. Of this my article in the Day Dawnmutilated form. is proof, which Sabbatarians quote in a I subsequently saw the full and harmonious testimony of the New Testament against Sabbatizing. The testimony being clear and abundant, removed every doubt from my mind, so soon as I dared open my mind to receive it. Then the truth afforded me Christian enjoyment. Excited feeling is no evidence of Christian enjoyment or Christian character. It may spring from various causes and be had by the worst of men. Christian enjoyment, as such, can only spring from a sincere reception, confession and practice of the truth.

O.R.L. CROSIER

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[Adventist Dissident]

There are different areas of new theology. They did not come in overnight. George Knight writings were gathered mostly from non-adventists.

Show a quote from EGW where she reversed her position on the "shut door".

The White estates admitts she changed her postion.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

i have come to the conclusion that EGW is not a Prophet. before I was just leaning in that direction, but now I have to say that I belive she had no inspiration in her what so ever. She, along with James White May have intentionally decieved people. It is a really sad day. I come to this postion very reculantanly . It is very discouraging and has serious ramification. I don't think I will be an SDA much longer.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Did you know that......

Aroura University .... Hold the largest Collection of Millerite information in the World. Aroura is located just west of Chicago 30 miles

Dallas Theological Seminary Hold one of the largest Anti-Adventist Literature in the World? locate in Dallas Texas

 

[Adventist Dissident]

He is a book on the "shut door"


1844 and the Shut Door Problem

by Ingemar Linden

ISBN 9155412831

 

[OntheDL]

The White estates admitts she changed her postion.

Again, you have not shown a quote from EGW that shows in the end she abandoned her original stance.

 

[djconklin]

It's far easier to make claims than it is to prove them. Sometimes one gets lucky and no one questions if it is true or not.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Again, you have not shown a quote from EGW that shows in the end she abandoned her original stance.

you have not posted a quote that shows that you know what her orignal stance was, therefore you would not know if she abondened it or not, You have failed to do the work again DL I am disappointed in you I expected better, you have not read post #37 for in it are ALL the statement on the shut door.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

It's far easier to make claims than it is to prove them. Sometimes one gets lucky and no one questions if it is true or not.

Yes you are right. It is far easier to make the claim that EGW is a prophet then to prove her to be one, you are right it is far better for SDA's if no one questions EGW. You said it well. it is far eaiser to say her failuers are conditional rather then prove them to be conditional. Well said.

 

[OntheDL]

you have not posted a quote that shows that you know what her orignal stance was, therefore you would not know if she abondened it or not.

Oh ok, answer a question with a question. I guess you can't find one, can you?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Again, you have not shown a quote from EGW that shows in the end she abandoned her original stance.

Here is the summry of Post #37 (only you can read the evidence) , By the White Estate,your advocates for EGW

17. While the term "shut door" at first was used to indicate probation's close in 1844, it soon came to mean the close of Christ's ministry in the first apartment of the heavenly sanctuary. It stood for a change of Christ's ministry in heaven on October 22, 1844.
18. While Ellen White's personal beliefs underwent a gradual modification during this period, I find no evidence that she at any time taught theological error in her shut door writings.

Notice: The conotradiction between 17 + 18

17. soon changed (quickly)
18. gradual (slow)

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Oh ok, answer a question with a question. I guess you can't find one, can you?

answere a question with and question and then another question. Hum then pretend I didn't tell you that the info is in Post #37. Looks like we found out that you don't read the links.

 

[OntheDL]

Here is the summry of Post #37 (only you can read the evidence) , By the White Estate,your advocates for EGW

17. While the term "shut door" at first was used to indicate probation's close in 1844, it soon came to mean the close of Christ's ministry in the first apartment of the heavenly sanctuary. It stood for a change of Christ's ministry in heaven on October 22, 1844.
18. While Ellen White's personal beliefs underwent a gradual modification during this period, I find no evidence that she at any time taught theological error in her shut door writings.

Notice: The conotradiction between 17 + 18

17. soon changed (quickly)
18. gradual (slow)

I don't care what White Estate says. I'm asking you if you can show me her personal quotes.

Is that too much to ask? Do such quotes exist?

 

[OntheDL]

answere a question with and question and then another question. Hum then pretend I didn't tell you that the info is in Post #37. Looks like we found out that you don't read the links.

No. Honestly I didn't.

I'm sorry I don't like cut-and-paste posts and I don't respond to monologues. If you have the quotes, post them here. If not, just forget it.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I don't care what White Estate says. I'm asking you if you can show me her personal quotes.

Is that too much to ask? Do such quotes exist?

i gave you post #37 read it please