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Christ is the "narrow gate"
Who are you to say anyone who has sinned does not have Christ or is not saved?
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I'm really good at saying what I intend to say. Did I say that?
False prophets?
sorry I don't see where your going with that.
Then read it in the context of the Scripture provided.
What are the fruits of the Spirit? It is not that of obeying the law. We were set free from the law.
Look at them. If you're living in disobedience without recognizing yur disobedience as such, then you're absent all of the fruits of the spirit because any unrepented disobedience is going to interfere with the manifestation of any of them.
You can't get around obedience as God desires your obedience more than sacrifice. If you're living in disobedience to His law, then the Bible says in 1 John 2:4
The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
28Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" 29Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
And rejecting His Word as truth does not show belief inthe one He has sent.
We are not to judge the Salvation of another.
I didn't judge anyone's salvation. I said you could look and tell whether or not they are walking the narrow path. The fruit of their walk will righteously judge their salvation.
right people are convicted, but not of all sin at all times and pay close attention to Romans 10:6
That's not even an issue. At issue is the rejection of sin as sin because of the overcomplicating of Scripture in an effort to twist it to justify making what God says is sin appear to not be sin.
I am not saying it is not sin, on the contrary I believe it is. But none are without it. We are only made perfect through Christ our salvation is through Him and this is not of our own so that no man can boast whether by works or fruit.
And this is why I said that the man who continuously has to twist Scripture to justify what God says is sin as not sin, needs to truly examine his heart. Those indwelled by the Holy Spirit will question because the Holy Spirit will not give them a peace about what they are doing if there is anything in them that wants to row in their relationship with Him.
Our righteousness is of Christ. If it was no so we would be able to boast as is we do not. Are you without sin. Or do you believe because you are without certain sin you are a "better" sinner than others and therefore earned a special right?
I am a sinner and yet I hate sin.
Still a nonissue. Me being with sin has nothing to do wth rejecting sin as sin. If you are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, there will be some questioning about the acts being performed if you have to do as much as some in this forum have to do to justify this sin.
Nobody is talking about being a better sinner. I'm talking about recognizing sin as sin because the Holy Spirit will not let you do otherwise.
There will be conviction, this is correct.
I continue to smoke cigarettes, I am convicted for it.
Do you believe I am not saved?
I know drunkards that love Christ, they have been convicted of it, but cannot quit.
Are they condemned to hell?
Is the blood of Christ not enough to wipe clean "ALL" our sin.
Somewhere, I think you have missed the point of what I said. If you are of Christ, I said that you may still sin, but there is going to be a conviction that sin is still sin. And there are several people in this forum who continue to overcomplicate Scripture in an attempt to justify sin as nonsin.
And if there is no recognition that they are doing this, they need to question their relationship or lack thereof with Christ.
I'm not speaking of justification of sin. I am speaking of others condemning people to hell and telling them they are not saved. That is not your, mine, our place.
And I was not speaking of condemning anyone to hell because the only person capable of doing that is the person. I was speaking to the fact that if someone is not walking the narrow path, Christians have every right to righteously judge and question whether or not there is a relationship with Christ.
And thus the SCripture that was given. There are gonna be a lot of folks in hell because they fooled themselves into thinking they were saved while the actions of their life clearly showed that they weren't.
And when people can't even accept God's Word as His Word, somebdoy better question whether or not they know Jesus at all.
Are they? That is the question isn't it? One you nor I can answer. Why? Because the answer lies within them. God knows. Narrow is the path because Jesus is the ONLY way. Well some people question alot of things. You can't judge people by where they are at in their walk. Some may not be walking as "straight" as you. No pun intended....
Again. I spoke to the issue of unrepentant sin. You can be on the same path and in sin and repent. But if you're not recognizing what God says is sin is sin and not repenting, then question whether or not they are on the same path.
Denial. Alot of people do it at some point in their walk. And so it is cool to rebuke as I said and direct all.
But what irks me is those who so easily condemn without knowledge of that persons heart only by their "sin" what about Jesus?
I understand the denial element, which is why I said there are some who are questioning and who actually ask for forgiveness if they are wrong. But you also have plenty who are nt in denial who are doing what they want jst because it's permissible. But as you mentioned the fruits of the Spirit, you can't run around living like the world and the fruits of the Spirit be generated. Why? Because it take the Spirit to do so.
Which is why I mentioned are they walking the narrow path, or are they living like the world in not just this area of their lives but others?
If someone can justify the fornicative homosexual acts, then they will justify other sinful acts that leave them disobedient to their parents, with lack of self-control, unHoly, lovers of pleasure rather than of God and all sorts of things that God says people will be in the last days.
God's Word has to be absolute or else the people of God have no foundation upon which to stand. And if a "Christian" can't in faith accept the Word of God as the Word of God and the standard by which they righteously judge all things, then something is not as somebody wants it to appear.
Doesn't mean they are not saved.
Surely you should be careful and all should to make that judgement.
I would beg to differ. There can be no salvation without repentance. And if you have not repented because you disagree with God's Word that something is a sin, then there needs to besome examining of the heart taking place.
When you were saved did you know what all sin was?Are you without sin?
When I was saved, I knew that placing my faith in Christ meant that I had to accept His Word as His Word. And though I chose to do somethings that were counter to His Word, and even attempted to justify them, the Holy Spirit would never give me a peace about it.
If you are a Christian, the Holy Spirit is gonna make sure you're miserable in sin. And you will repent.
But there are those who will never receive the truth because their hearts don't want it.
1Therefore, since through God's mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. 2Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.2 Cor. 4:1-4
A nd still there are others whom God gives over to a reprobate mind. Does this make them unsaved? I don't know . But as His Word says
13They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.[e] 14With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! 15They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness. 16But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man's voice and restrained the prophet's madness.
17These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.
19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. 20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit,"[f]and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud." 2 Peter 2:13-22
