Concerns

[ArmyMatt]

I would also add, Maria, that St Tikhon of Zadonsk often felt the distance of God that you do.

prayers!

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Excuse me? Did you just really come into this subforum and flame me?

If you believe in abortion, it is Satanic, Maria. I'm not here to make you feel comfy or to prove or disprove anything to you. I don't owe you warm fuzzies. Abortion is sin. Sodomy is sin. Men kissing and calling themselves "husbands" is sin. I am actively telling you here and now that your views have something in common with the diabolical. Fact. You want to find a church that conforms to YOU. That's dangerous in itself. You need to conform to Christ, Christ doesn't need to conform to you. If that is a hard pill to swallow, I'm sorry for that. I have had to change a lot about myself to become a Christian. I have had to re-evaluate myself many times and question my beliefs because they were out of line with the Lord's teachings. It isn't easy.

I await your apology for telling me to shut up. I may not agree with you, I may call you out for what I see as wrong in your thinking, but never will I tell you to "shut up." The type of "shut up" bullying I hear from you mirrors the Left's approach to discourse----shut people up, shut them down, silence, discredit. That is how ANTIFA works. It's how BLM works. It's how Planned Parenthood works.

Being actively told that my views are Satanic really doesn't help matters. Please just shut up. You just reinforced precisely one of the issues I'm having. Way to prove my original point.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Says the woman who tells posters to "shut up." Gotcha.

I should just get a mod to close this thread. People are just being rude now.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

True, there is no voter's guide. I'm glad for that actually. But I would say that I cannot fathom how a person could be Orthodox and in good conscience vote for candidates who are expanding the "right" to commit infanticide? Could you vote for a group that funds Planned Parenthood, a baby extermination mill? Could you vote to extend the sanctity of marriage to people in sodomic relationships? Would the Lord be ok with that? Could you vote for people who want the U.S. military to fund transgender surgeries? Here in California the Left is pushing for sex education to start in kindergarten and LGBT values to be a part of it. Can you support massive influxes of illegal aliens and especially Middle Eastern groups loaded with Muslims that are not well-vetted and hate our country?

Can you vote for these things?

Ok, the Republicans can be greedy. Yes, they are anti-union. I hate that about them. Yes, they tend to protect big corporations far more than "Mom and Pop" shops. Yes, they can be warmongers and interfere in the politics of other countries (so can the Left). Yes the Republicans want to privatize a lot of things I'm not happy about like Social Security and Medicare.

So, my solution, if I hate the Right wing as much as the Left, is to vote third party.

Notice in my posts, I said the word OBEDIENCE but it was related to issues. I never said the Lord said, "Letteth all my flock vote Republican lest they find the fires of Gehenna." What I did say was that we are called to obey the church morally. If you, somehow, can find a way to skirt around the mass murder of innocents, the extensive brainwashing LGBT campaign, the pandering to Islam and hatred of Israel, the anti-semitism, the race-baiting, the atheist agenda, and all the other stuff the Left loves and vote Democrat, be my guest. I just cannot and see no way to vote for those folks with a clear conscience.

For me, when I cannot in good conscience vote for a Republican, I've voted Libertarian or Independent or not at all.

It is important that context be taken into account for my post. People (not Matteus and Rus!) jumped on it as somehow saying "obedience to Orthodoxy = voting Republican." That was not said.

For me, I'd rather vote NOT AT ALL than to vote for a person that funds infanticide mills. That's my take.

@~Matteus~ this is not about obedience. When I was received, there was nothing in the service book that told me who to vote for. Neither has a confessor ever given me an obedience regarding my voting habits or political inclinations. The notion that upon being received into the faith you hand over your conscience is simply incorrect.

 

[Anhelyna]

At this point I think it's time that this thread is temporarily locked to allow all posters a period in which to cool down and consider how they should post and what advice should be given and by whom.

I would be most grateful if on re-opening of the thread, all posters who are not Orthodox Christians would please re-read the SoP for TAW Statement of Purpose - The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox Statement of Purpose with particular reference to posting in fellowship

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Accordingly this thread will be re-opened in 48 hours time

Anhelyna - Senior Ambassador Member

 

[Anhelyna]

Thread re-opened after the 'cooling down' phase

I would be most grateful if posters would remember that this is a non-debate area and posts by non-Orthodox Christians should be in fellowship

I would ask you to remember 1) the SoP Statement of Purpose - The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox Statement of Purpose
and also the Site-Wide Rules
<<All posts within this faith community must adhere to the site wide rules. In addition, if you are not a member of this faith group, you may not debate issues or teach against it's theology. You may post in fellowship. Active promotion of views contrary to the established teachings of this group will be considered off topic.>>

I am most grateful for Your co-operation in this

Anhelyna - Senior Ambassador Member