concerning demons

[Hisgirl]

The unsaved in scriptures seemed to at least be non-resistant. (The demons whined, but the people didn't.)

I agree about not gabbing with demons, and you'll find some books that oppose that. Just get the job done.

About bringing a friend-- some demons can impose great physical strength through their hosts, so unless you think it's a tame situation, it's good to have a friend just for safety reasons. But again, you have the authority. Claim protection...the blood of the lamb is over your doorpost.

I asked Mrs. Hearn if she was ever afraid of ministering by herself. She has an office in a church and performs counseling and deliverance alone...all day. She said only once, she was praying against a demon and the person came off the sofa to attack her...she commanded the spirit to sit back down in the name of Jesus Christ and the person sat down. :o

I've heard of a little old lady throwing grown men across the room... I have a friend who has performed thousands of deliverances and he was taught that if he was ever in a situation where things were getting out of control....run!

 

[jeolmstead]

That might be true. But that is a thing that can be in the back of the head, of the person that is going to cast the demon out
If the situation is to heavy!

I can tell you that the first time I ministered deliverance I was as dumb as a box of hammers! I had no earthly idea as to what to do! It was the middle of the night and there was nobody to call!

I stopped and prayed:

“ God, I’m sorry I got involved with this and I promise, if you help me I’ll never do this again!”

(Not very spiritual I must admit)

But God showed up in power! He told me what to do! (As I had no idea).
The person got set free very dramatically!

The next day I went and got every book on the subject I could find. The most amazing thing to me was that the things God showed us to do were the things others outlined in their books.

This all started for us in 1982. We were pretty active until 1987. At that time the ministry (for us) started to taper off. I don’t know why it came to us or where it went. But, I don’t think for one minute the devil took his toys and went home!

John O.

 

[BarbB]

Thanks, Dana and John. Your posts have been very valuable!

 

[heron]

he was taught that if he was ever in a situation where things were getting out of control....run!

heheh

My mother used to do deliverances in the house, and sometimes we participated. One day I came home from school and heard a huge roar, exactly like a loud lion.

I ran up the stairs, and my mother rushed to the closed door and insisted I stay downstairs. I was a bit miffed at the time, but went up later because they needed more people to hold him down, and to pray.

Most of the others I've done have been simple and straighforward. Fasting loosed some effortlessly.

In gauging how many people you'd need...I could have guessed this would have been a tougher situation...I'd known the person for a while and they had bad vibes and were a bit insincere... resistant...other issues.

I shouldn't promote judging someone like that, but I think that's where it's helpful to have someone around with a keener discernment of spirits. The members of the body serve each other--not for insulting, but to help do the work of the kingdom.

 

[SharonL]

Her name is Marie Malcom Hearn. I have her phone number also. Talk about a no-nonsense woman! She's written several books and has ministered for 56 yrs.

Honestly, Barb, I've never seen an unsaved person request deliverance. But I've seen about a hundred in the past three years ....all professing Christians...who desired freedom from a stronghold.

I learned my lesson though, when I naively prayed deliverance from a spirit of fear over my spirit-filled strong in the Lord friend.

She knew she had gone into agreement with fear and it was getting her goat. She had manifestations during the prayer and she later said it felt like a cat was trying to claw its way out of her. But what freedom she had! I should've had someone with me...

Is it right that a Christian can be oppressed by a demon but not possessed?

 

[Iollain]

Devils will keep you going with questions... They'll try to keep you talking, thinking, listening, anything but let you take them out. I've had to cast devils out of people while they were in mid-sentence.

Depending on what the question is, instead of answering you could just cast a devil out of her... Whichever devil is asking the question. It's easy to cast a demon out of someone. All you need to do is tell it to come out/leave/go/get off or something in the name of Jesus. You have the Holy Spirit = you have the anointing.

How do you know that someone has a demon to begin with if it does not manifest in a supernatural way? Do you have a gift for that?

I've been around people who i believe were demon posessed, but how do you bring the subject up with the person?

....uh...excuse me but i precieve you have a demon?

 

[psalms 91]

Is it right that a Christian can be oppressed by a demon but not possessed?

Yes, that is correct

 

[Hisgirl]

How do you know that someone has a demon to begin with if it does not manifest in a supernatural way? Do you have a gift for that?

I've been around people who i believe were demon posessed, but how do you bring the subject up with the person?

....uh...excuse me but i precieve you have a demon?

For me, it has usually been in a ministering setting where the person has asked for help with a stronghold of something...bitterness, unforgiveness, fear, addiction, rejection, etc. In the midst of talking and praying, I've seen the person be unable to meet my eye and express uncomfortable feelings. Sometimes there's nothing.

That wouldn't prevent me from saying in the prayer if there be anything of the enemy causing this problem, it has to leave in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

One thing Mrs. Hearn does in her counseling...is to start speaking Psalm 81...about halfway through the chapter she'll ask if they are losing their peace. She had one man jump to his feet and shout, "Stop reading that!"

At a ministry where I received training...they just do a thorough teaching of the opposites of all those strongholds then pray against any spirits that would be bringing those oppressions.

There's nothing like sitting in a corporate setting and seeing half the room begin to experience manifestations as the demons are shown the door. (there are vomit buckets on the floor and yes, they get used) You've never seen so many smiles and laughter later as these folks begin walking out their freedom. It's so cool!

 

[FireOfGod]

Fire - should the person doing the casting out not be sure that the demonized person wants to be saved first? I know that Prince thought that saved Christians could be demonized but he's one of the only ones that does. Otherwise, isn't the person in more trouble than before - i.e. the verse about leaving and returning to find the mind swept clean, etc.

To clarify, this has never been my ministry, but I have done alot of reading.

I've cast devils out of people claiming to be Christians, actual Christians, and unbelievers. I don't think it matters whether or not they're saved. I've seen unbelievers get delivered of stuff, and that deliverance was the thing that made them get born again.

There's a difference between casting a devil out and binding it and telling it to just shut up. If the person getting deliverance is just going to let it come back, it really is no use.

You've just got to be lead by the Spirit. I've had unbelievers beg for deliverance from all kinds of things. Just had to tell them to make sure they don't let it back, and if it tries to come back, to rebuke it in Jesus' name.

I've known plenty of Christian's who were pretty demonized. Not just all-out rolling on the floor foaming at the mouth possessed, but definitely full of devils. Many were full of anger, lust, religion, things like this. A lot of people think that being demonized is being outright owned and ruled by a devil(s) with your every move. And in some ways, yes, it can do that. Other times it just manifests when it gets irritated, which may be often or not. I think it's more of just devils that have some control over you instead of the Holy Spirit having the ultimate control. Some things just aren't totally cleaned out.

Anyways... Hope this makes sense.

 

[FireOfGod]

How do you know that someone has a demon to begin with if it does not manifest in a supernatural way? Do you have a gift for that?

I've been around people who i believe were demon posessed, but how do you bring the subject up with the person?

....uh...excuse me but i precieve you have a demon?

You can sense them in the Spirit. Or, yes, it will manifest itself. In God knows what kind of way.

If it needs to be brought up and cast out, tell them. Not quite like that, but just gently bring it up. Even you bringing it up could make a devil manifest because it knows what's happening, so don't be surprised if the person gets suddenly angry or "offended".

For example, if someone has a spirit of poverty and it's obvious, then say "hey, listen... I've notice this and I feel like there's a spirit of poverty trying to take you down" or something. It doesn't have to be a big deal.

Make sense?

 

[Jlaw]

hm, i'm learning a lot =P.

Today I was listening to this song because I was listening to how the drummer played, and I got kinda drawn into the song and listened to it multiple times. It WAS infact a satanist band and my brother came in to tell me to stop listening to them and I noticed that I suddenly snapped at him and I was like, woah, that's not me.

Thanks for all the helpful info =P I feel like i'm growing stronger everyday

 

[Iollain]

For me, it has usually been in a ministering setting where the person has asked for help with a stronghold of something...bitterness, unforgiveness, fear, addiction, rejection, etc. In the midst of talking and praying, I've seen the person be unable to meet my eye and express uncomfortable feelings. Sometimes there's nothing.

That wouldn't prevent me from saying in the prayer if there be anything of the enemy causing this problem, it has to leave in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

One thing Mrs. Hearn does in her counseling...is to start speaking Psalm 81...about halfway through the chapter she'll ask if they are losing their peace. She had one man jump to his feet and shout, "Stop reading that!"

At a ministry where I received training...they just do a thorough teaching of the opposites of all those strongholds then pray against any spirits that would be bringing those oppressions.

There's nothing like sitting in a corporate setting and seeing half the room begin to experience manifestations as the demons are shown the door. (there are vomit buckets on the floor and yes, they get used) You've never seen so many smiles and laughter later as these folks begin walking out their freedom. It's so cool!

Ah, i see what you mean.

But what about someone that you know is demon opressed or posessed and your in a regular life situation outside of church, would you try and bring up something spiritual or just leave it alone and hope that they will bring it up, along with prayer?

 

[JohnR7]

I let my copy of deliver us from evil" by don basham get away. I can't find it in print any more, but I thought it was the best balanced book I've read on the subject!

You can buy it on Amazon for a dollar plus a little bit of shipping.

 

[Hisgirl]

Ah, i see what you mean.

But what about someone that you know is demon opressed or posessed and your in a regular life situation outside of church, would you try and bring up something spiritual or just leave it alone and hope that they will bring it up, along with prayer?

First off...when you say 'possessed' I think of someone unsaved and living for satan. Oppressed, I think of someone who has a stronghold in their life. Which are you referring to and how well do you know this person?

Many times, the power of the testimony will catch their attention and they will ask for help with the same issue. If they don't recognize they have a problem and don't think they need help, I'd have to wonder how easy it could come right back.

 

[BarbB]

I've cast devils out of people claiming to be Christians, actual Christians, and unbelievers. I don't think it matters whether or not they're saved. I've seen unbelievers get delivered of stuff, and that deliverance was the thing that made them get born again.

There's a difference between casting a devil out and binding it and telling it to just shut up. If the person getting deliverance is just going to let it come back, it really is no use.

You've just got to be lead by the Spirit. I've had unbelievers beg for deliverance from all kinds of things. Just had to tell them to make sure they don't let it back, and if it tries to come back, to rebuke it in Jesus' name.

I've known plenty of Christian's who were pretty demonized. Not just all-out rolling on the floor foaming at the mouth possessed, but definitely full of devils. Many were full of anger, lust, religion, things like this. A lot of people think that being demonized is being outright owned and ruled by a devil(s) with your every move. And in some ways, yes, it can do that. Other times it just manifests when it gets irritated, which may be often or not. I think it's more of just devils that have some control over you instead of the Holy Spirit having the ultimate control. Some things just aren't totally cleaned out.

Anyways... Hope this makes sense.

Thank you, Fire - it absolutely did make sense. I was just curious - the whole subject really interested me as a new Christian. I read up as much as I could. Now I'm more interested in Prophecy and the prophetic so don't keep up. And VERY fortunately, I've not been called to deal with it personally. But you never know - interesting times are on the horizon and I might need the knowledge you just gave me - so thanks very, very much!

 

[Iollain]

First off...when you say 'possessed' I think of someone unsaved and living for satan. Oppressed, I think of someone who has a stronghold in their life. Which are you referring to and how well do you know this person?

Many times, the power of the testimony will catch their attention and they will ask for help with the same issue. If they don't recognize they have a problem and don't think they need help, I'd have to wonder how easy it could come right back.

sent you a pm

 

[psalms 91]

I've cast devils out of people claiming to be Christians, actual Christians, and unbelievers. I don't think it matters whether or not they're saved. I've seen unbelievers get delivered of stuff, and that deliverance was the thing that made them get born again.

There's a difference between casting a devil out and binding it and telling it to just shut up. If the person getting deliverance is just going to let it come back, it really is no use.

You've just got to be lead by the Spirit. I've had unbelievers beg for deliverance from all kinds of things. Just had to tell them to make sure they don't let it back, and if it tries to come back, to rebuke it in Jesus' name.

I've known plenty of Christian's who were pretty demonized. Not just all-out rolling on the floor foaming at the mouth possessed, but definitely full of devils. Many were full of anger, lust, religion, things like this. A lot of people think that being demonized is being outright owned and ruled by a devil(s) with your every move. And in some ways, yes, it can do that. Other times it just manifests when it gets irritated, which may be often or not. I think it's more of just devils that have some control over you instead of the Holy Spirit having the ultimate control. Some things just aren't totally cleaned out.

Anyways... Hope this makes sense.

One thing I would like to add to this is that God has told me not to deliver someone because of that very reason, they would let it come back and when it comes back it will bring helpers with it and the person will be seven times worse off. If there are multiple demons as is usually the case then there is a strongman who will hide behind the others and while you may think the person is free the strongman can remain. You must be led by the spirit in doing this and you must study to show your self approved, as well as be free yourself

 

[thomasferrer20]

does anyone know how to contact marie malcom hearn? i would greatly appreciate a phone number or email address or something!

 

[robinh500]

Another sound teaching on the scriptural basis and practicalities of this is by a guy called Peter Horrobin. It's called 'Healing and Deliverance.' A super reference.

I read somewhere that the word 'possession' is a badly chosen word by the translators. It ought to be demonised or afflicted by a demon. Once a Christian one can never be possessed by anything but Christ. This ownership idea is supported by scripture - bought with a price etc.

Christians can be and often are demonised. But Jon has explained this better than I can!

 

[JimB]

Well, yesterday I met someone who seemed to have some problems. She had a lot of questions. She was talking about darkness and demons etc. I have had my own experiences with this subject but I don't really study into it... When I looked into her eyes I could tell that she was trapped and I wanted to help her. I couldn't answer some of her questions because I just... didn't know. Most people I talked to said she was crazy.

She told me of a friend of hers that was supposedly demon possessed. I also think she wanted me to go to his house and talk to him.

I was wondering, should I study into this area so when it comes to this I won't be stumped? I asked a dear friend and she said that I shouldn't mess around with it, because it is probably a trap.

One more question, how exactly does one cast out a demon? I've heard that you must have the annointing.

Thanks

All God’s people are “anointed.” The anointing simply means that God has placed His Spirit on/in us and we are set apart for God’s use.

But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. (1 John 2.20)
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A good way to study the anointing is to simply reflect on those instances in the NT where the term is used –HERE

Casting out spirits is simply exercising your God-given authority over them as a child of God and telling them to leave. Jesus, the Anointed One and our Great Example, expelled a legion of demons with a single word, “And he said to them, "Go." So they came out and went into the pigs, and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the waters” (Matt. 8.32).

~Jim

If you can’t fight and you can’t flee, flow.​