concerning demons

[Jlaw]

Well, yesterday I met someone who seemed to have some problems. She had a lot of questions. She was talking about darkness and demons etc. I have had my own experiences with this subject but I don't really study into it... When I looked into her eyes I could tell that she was trapped and I wanted to help her. I couldn't answer some of her questions because I just... didn't know. Most people I talked to said she was crazy.

She told me of a friend of hers that was supposedly demon possessed. I also think she wanted me to go to his house and talk to him.

I was wondering, should I study into this area so when it comes to this I won't be stumped? I asked a dear friend and she said that I shouldn't mess around with it, because it is probably a trap.

One more question, how exactly does one cast out a demon? I've heard that you must have the annointing.

Thanks

 

[heron]

Jesus didn't tell his apostles to divide up according to anointing--He sent them out with authority. (Mark 6:7)

Some non-believers tried doing this too (Mark 9:38, Luke 9:49), so it's not about special gifts. Some people have a stronger gift of discerning them, or more experience, but you don't get experience until you try!

There's an excellent deliverance forum here, with various viewpoints...most of the people are active in deliverance ministry.

http://www.christianforums.com/f484-deliverance-ministry.html

Some things that help--

1. KNOW that Jesus is behind you, and that He has given you all that you need to do it. His angels are standing by. Don't bend in weakness, because in our weakness He is strong.

2. Use the Word of God as your sword. Find a few verses that apply, that you can recall when you're losing faith or need a defense. Demons are real beings... they cringed when Jesus came by. (Mark 5). Claim the blood of the Lamb over yourself and the person involved.

3. For your own confidence, do some reading, so you don't give up on yourself at a weak moment. Demons have been around long enough to know how to intimidate us and weaken us with doubt. Jesus is stronger.
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About it being a trap...who knows. I doubt it. But if he's happy with having a demon, or proud of it, don't go after deliverance. The NT says that the freed demons will roam, find friends, and come back in full force.


Mr 16:17 - [ In Context | Read Chapter | Original: Greek | Multi-Translation | "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues. .​

 

[jeolmstead]

Well,

Cathy and I were very active in the deliverance ministry in the early to mid 80’s. We ministered to quite a few “demonized people”. We’ve seen God do some amazing things. There are a lot of good books on the subject, but nothing takes the place of discernment and hearing the Holy Spirit.

The methodology is simple. As a Christian you have the authority to drive out demons that Jesus has. You speak to it and tell it to leave.

People who are demonized tend to be so for a reason. We found that in Christians the most common reason was bitterness and unforgiveness. We also found it often times to be related to occult practices.

It’s important that one deal with these issues as well, if the person is to have a chance of maintaining their freedom.

You really do not go looking for this ministry!

God may bring people across your path that need it. Don’t go looking for it.

If you are called to this work be prepared for a lifestyle of prayer and fasting and a lot of late nights ministering to people.

You will also be faced with many well meaning spirit filled Christians who think you are nuts!

In your specific case I would advise you to spend some time praying and fasting for these people. Listen to what the Holy Spirit is saying.

John O.

 

[BarbB]

John - what good information! Thank you.

 

[FireOfGod]

Well, yesterday I met someone who seemed to have some problems. She had a lot of questions. She was talking about darkness and demons etc. I have had my own experiences with this subject but I don't really study into it... When I looked into her eyes I could tell that she was trapped and I wanted to help her. I couldn't answer some of her questions because I just... didn't know. Most people I talked to said she was crazy.

She told me of a friend of hers that was supposedly demon possessed. I also think she wanted me to go to his house and talk to him.

I was wondering, should I study into this area so when it comes to this I won't be stumped? I asked a dear friend and she said that I shouldn't mess around with it, because it is probably a trap.

One more question, how exactly does one cast out a demon? I've heard that you must have the annointing.

Thanks

Devils will keep you going with questions... They'll try to keep you talking, thinking, listening, anything but let you take them out. I've had to cast devils out of people while they were in mid-sentence.

Depending on what the question is, instead of answering you could just cast a devil out of her... Whichever devil is asking the question. It's easy to cast a demon out of someone. All you need to do is tell it to come out/leave/go/get off or something in the name of Jesus. You have the Holy Spirit = you have the anointing.

 

[jeolmstead]

Well, yesterday I met someone who seemed to have some problems. She had a lot of questions. She was talking about darkness and demons etc. I have had my own experiences with this subject but I don't really study into it... When I looked into her eyes I could tell that she was trapped and I wanted to help her. I couldn't answer some of her questions because I just... didn't know. Most people I talked to said she was crazy.

She told me of a friend of hers that was supposedly demon possessed. I also think she wanted me to go to his house and talk to him.

I was wondering, should I study into this area so when it comes to this I won't be stumped? I asked a dear friend and she said that I shouldn't mess around with it, because it is probably a trap.

One more question, how exactly does one cast out a demon? I've heard that you must have the annointing.

Thanks

A side note NEVER go out alone. Take someone you know (well) who is strong in the faith and of like mind!

John O.

 

[Jlaw]

Hmm, thanks for all the help. I remember my brother saying something about them, he said that they will try to trick you because they aren't stupid, they've been around for ages.

 

[barb_bennie]

Here's my 2 cents:
You have the authority to cast out demons in Jesus Name... You need nothing else... but it sure don't hurt to know what your getting into and have a little teaching on the subject.
I have just recently read a few good books on the subject.
the most informative book was called "They shall expell demons by derek Prince ( my personal fav on the subject)
Then there is a book called :"deliver us from evil" by don basham ( its his personal testimony concerning this subject...)
finally there is one called "pigs in the parlor" by Frank Hammond, Ida Mae Hammond. ( I wouldn't suggest reading this one first but I did LOL... Its short, blunt, and to the point)
all 3 of these books are written by spirit filled believers.

 

[FireOfGod]

Hmm, thanks for all the help. I remember my brother saying something about them, he said that they will try to trick you because they aren't stupid, they've been around for ages.

Asbolutely... They aren't stupid. Another thing is, don't ask it what it's name is (i.e. poverty, fear, etc.). It will lie and tell you some little thing like lust or rejection, but it will not tell you the root... Obviously, because it doesn't want to leave.

By the way... Not saying those things are always little devils, just giving an example.

 

[BarbB]

Fire - should the person doing the casting out not be sure that the demonized person wants to be saved first? I know that Prince thought that saved Christians could be demonized but he's one of the only ones that does. Otherwise, isn't the person in more trouble than before - i.e. the verse about leaving and returning to find the mind swept clean, etc.

To clarify, this has never been my ministry, but I have done alot of reading.

 

[jeolmstead]

Here's my 2 cents:
You have the authority to cast out demons in Jesus Name... You need nothing else... but it sure don't hurt to know what your getting into and have a little teaching on the subject.
I have just recently read a few good books on the subject.
the most informative book was called "They shall expell demons by derek Prince ( my personal fav on the subject)
Then there is a book called :"deliver us from evil" by don basham ( its his personal testimony concerning this subject...)
finally there is one called "pigs in the parlor" by Frank Hammond, Ida Mae Hammond. ( I wouldn't suggest reading this one first but I did LOL... Its short, blunt, and to the point)
all 3 of these books are written by spirit filled believers.

I let my copy of deliver us from evil" by don basham get away. I can't find it in print any more, but I thought it was the best balanced book I've read on the subject!

 

[Hisgirl]

Fire - should the person doing the casting out not be sure that the demonized person wants to be saved first? I know that Prince thought that saved Christians could be demonized but he's one of the only ones that does. Otherwise, isn't the person in more trouble than before - i.e. the verse about leaving and returning to find the mind swept clean, etc.

To clarify, this has never been my ministry, but I have done alot of reading.

If Christians can't be oppressed and in need of deliverance then all those Christians who were vomiting, shrieking, speaking in other voices ...during some of the deliverances I seen, must have been mistaken when they professed to be a believer. I, myself, AFTER I was baptized in the Holy Spirit had a spirit of fear cast off/out/ away from me and my entire life was changed.

There's a woman in her 80s ...a female Derek Prince...who lives in Atlanta. Anyone can set up a counseling session with her at her church. I went to see her, after reading her book 'Demolishing Strongholds' just to pepper her with questions. What an astounding two hours that was!!!

 

[DilyX]

As far as i know, the jesuits are the expert in these kind of things.
And my personal meaning is that it should be done by a person that has dedicated his life to deliver people from deamons. It`s true that we have the power to clear out these deamons, but to be on the safe side, its always best to make a professional do it. As we are christians we do not get possesed, becouse we are protected from them. But people who invite the demons to go into their body
with spiritism, and calling of spirits and so on. These people may have the chance to be possesed by deamons. To get demons inside, the person will have to open their heart to it.

A little sidenote (something i think is correct): Priests/jesuits ask for the demons name, to make it easy to get the devil out. But this i can`t be sure of

-may god be with you and protect you-

 

[BarbB]

....
There's a woman in her 80s ...a female Derek Prince...who lives in Atlanta. Anyone can set up a counseling session with her at her church. I went to see her, after reading her book 'Demolishing Strongholds' just to pepper her with questions. What an astounding two hours that was!!!

What's her name, Dana? Her book sounds familiar.

I agree with what you posted before this paragraph and with Derek Prince, btw. And I was certainly delivered at healing services I attended just before I was born-again. I think I mentioned this before - that an ECUSA (of all things) deacon prayed and laid hands on me that anything not of God be removed - and it was!

Would you consider it two separate situations where the demonized was born-again and not? What would you do for someone who wasn't saved yet?

 

[BarbB]

Hi DilyX,

It's pretty difficult to get the church machinery going so far as an official exorcism, isn't it? That could be a problem.

 

[DilyX]

That might be true. But that is a thing that can be in the back of the head, of the person that is going to cast the demon out
If the situation is to heavy!

 

[Hisgirl]

What's her name, Dana? Her book sounds familiar.

I agree with what you posted before this paragraph and with Derek Prince, btw. And I was certainly delivered at healing services I attended just before I was born-again. I think I mentioned this before - that an ECUSA (of all things) deacon prayed and laid hands on me that anything not of God be removed - and it was!

Would you consider it two separate situations where the demonized was born-again and not? What would you do for someone who wasn't saved yet?

Her name is Marie Malcom Hearn. I have her phone number also. Talk about a no-nonsense woman! She's written several books and has ministered for 56 yrs.

Honestly, Barb, I've never seen an unsaved person request deliverance. But I've seen about a hundred in the past three years ....all professing Christians...who desired freedom from a stronghold.

I learned my lesson though, when I naively prayed deliverance from a spirit of fear over my spirit-filled strong in the Lord friend.

She knew she had gone into agreement with fear and it was getting her goat. She had manifestations during the prayer and she later said it felt like a cat was trying to claw its way out of her. But what freedom she had! I should've had someone with me...

 

[jeolmstead]

If Christians can't be oppressed and in need of deliverance then all those Christians who were vomiting, shrieking, speaking in other voices ...during some of the deliverances I seen, must have been mistaken when they professed to be a believer. I, myself, AFTER I was baptized in the Holy Spirit had a spirit of fear cast off/out/ away from me and my entire life was changed.

There's a woman in her 80s ...a female Derek Prince...who lives in Atlanta. Anyone can set up a counseling session with her at her church. I went to see her, after reading her book 'Demolishing Strongholds' just to pepper her with questions. What an astounding two hours that was!!!

Hisgirl,

You are certainly a brave soul to share (God bless you). “I’ve been there done that” myself. I used to think a Christians could not have a demon, but, I kept running into Christians who did!

People just think your crazy when you tell them about it….

John O.

 

[heron]

The unsaved in scriptures seemed to at least be non-resistant. (The demons whined, but the people didn't.)

I agree about not gabbing with demons, and you'll find some books that oppose that. Just get the job done.

About bringing a friend-- some demons can impose great physical strength through their hosts, so unless you think it's a tame situation, it's good to have a friend just for safety reasons. But again, you have the authority. Claim protection...the blood of the lamb is over your doorpost.

 

[Hisgirl]

As far as i know, the jesuits are the expert in these kind of things.
And my personal meaning is that it should be done by a person that has dedicated his life to deliver people from deamons. It`s true that we have the power to clear out these deamons, but to be on the safe side, its always best to make a professional do it. As we are christians we do not get possesed, becouse we are protected from them. But people who invite the demons to go into their body
with spiritism, and calling of spirits and so on. These people may have the chance to be possesed by deamons. To get demons inside, the person will have to open their heart to it.

A little sidenote (something i think is correct): Priests/jesuits ask for the demons name, to make it easy to get the devil out. But this i can`t be sure of

-may god be with you and protect you-

Hi Dilyx-- Due to Hollywood movies, I used to think the RCC was the only one who had the authority and know how to deal with demons. But in Matthew 10:7-8 Jesus said " And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give."

Because of our authority in Jesus Christ, all believers are commissioned to have power over demons. And yes, Christians can be oppressed too. You would enjoy reading some of the books mentioned...I've read two of them and thoroughly enjoyed the stories.

Pastor James Robison has a wonderful deliverance story. He was an evangelist but had fallen into some bad behavior...thus opening a door for the enemy. A trusted minister friend prayed against a demon and he said he could literally feel a claw coming off his head. He said from that time, he was able to be renewed in the Lord.

Christians can get all mucked up just like lost sheep. Whether it's fear, addictions, bitterness, anger. That stuff isn't from God. So cast it away. If you don't believe a Christian can ever need this...sit in sometime on a deliverance session and watch some girl whom you know to be saved start speaking in a man's voice.... ...you might change your mind!