Concerning 1844 and the IJ

[BobRyan]

BFA questions;

(1) TODAY, am I justified by grace? Yes - "By Grace through faith"

(2) TODAY, am I justified by faith? yes - See the above

(3) TODAY, am I justified by works? nope.

(4) AT THE CLOSE OF MY PROBATION, am I justified by grace? Yes

(5) AT THE CLOSE OF MY PROBATION, am I justified by faith? yes "By grace through faith"

(6) AT THE CLOSE OF MY PROBATION, am I justified by works? No
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As Paul points out in Romans 5:1 "Having BEEN justified by faith we HAVE peace with God".

Past justification is "salvific" it changes our status from lost to saved. All saints will enter heaven as those "justified by grace through faith" -- both OT and NT saints -- there is only ONE Gospel and only ONE justification that changes your salvation status from lost to saved.

The same was true of Peter in Matt 16 just before Christ said "Get thee behind me Satan" pointing out to Peter that he was about to risk that "Justification past" being lost.

The same was true of the unforgiving servant in Matt 18 who "was forgiven ALL that debt" just before he chose to persist in an unforgiving manner towards his fellow servant.

The same justification-by-faith was true of those in Romans 11 whom "God did not spare" just before they were cast out.

The same past justification-by-faith was true of those branches "IN Christ" in John 15 who were later removed and then cast into the fire.

The same past justification-by-faith was true of those in Gal 5:4 just before they were "severed from Christ and fallen from Grace".


Justification by grace through faith is the one and only way that ANYONE is a saint.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Bob quoting 1John 2:1

He says "these things I write to you that you sin not"... pretty hard to ignore.
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We see this as well in Romans 6 where Paul argues that IF you are a slave of sin -- then you are the servant of sin and your end is the 2nd death.


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BFA

He also writes that there there is no one righteous, not even one; that the whole world is a prisoner of sin;

Indeed we find that in Romans 3 describing the sinful state and the lost sinner. All held under condmnation - doomed until they accept the Gospel

BFA

and that the corruptible does not put on incorruption until the trump of God.

Corruption in 1Cor 15 refers to the state of our decaying flesh. Incorruption refers to immortal bodies.

Bob

The Rev 15 argument is not that "Christ leaves us" it is not that "we are without the comforter" -- rather it is that the 1John 2:2 "Advocate" role has ended.
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As pointed out Paul connects the Mediation and Intercession role of Christ to the heavenly sanctuary in Heb 7 and 8. So this explains WHY Rev 15 says that the wrath of God can not be poured out as long as that work continues.
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It really is quite simple. The SDA denomination teaches that Christ will cease to intercede on behalf of men.

Indeed -- Paul argues that Christ's work of intercession is done in the Heavenly sanctuary in Heb 7 and 8. And Rev 15 indicates that this work would not allow the wrath of God to fall -- so it has to cease in order for the Rev 16 plagues to be poured out.

Rev 15

5 After these things I looked, and the temple of the tabernacle of testimony in heaven was opened,
6 and the seven angels who had the seven plagues came out of the temple, clothed in linen, clean and bright, and girded around their chests with golden sashes.
7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God, who lives forever and ever.
8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power; and no one was able to enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.

In ceasing to intercede Christ is still with us -- but is no longer in his role as "Advocate" for "the Father Himself loves you" and as John points out in 1John 2:1 the only time we need him to step into that role of Advocate is when we rebel against Him.

"These things I write to you that you sin not - but if anyone does sin we HAVE an Advocate with the Father"

Christ Himself promised that He would never cease to intercede for us. Whom should we believe?

Are you quoting something?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[tall73]

Hey Bob, what do you interpret the fourth beast to be in Daniel 7?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

We see this as well in Romans 6 where Paul argues that IF you are a slave of sin -- then you are the servant of sin and your end is the 2nd death.

There is no "IF" involved here:

"But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe."
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Indeed we find that in Romans 3 describing the sinful state and the lost sinner. All held under condmnation - doomed until they accept the Gospel

At what point does the corruptible put on incorruption? At what point does God make all things new? Neither event takes place prior to Christ's second coming.

Corruption in 1Cor 15 refers to the state of our decaying flesh.

Please research more carefully the Greek word phthartos. It is correctly defined--to change from good to bad in morals, manners or actions; to degrade with unsound principles or moral values; to subject a person to corruption; to alter from the original, pure and correct form; to become tainted or rotten; to become morally debased; to cause disintegration or ruin.

One might wonder why you claim that phthartos relates only to the decay of flesh.

Incorruption refers to immortal bodies.

Please research more carefully the Greek word aphtharsia. Again, it does not relate only to the body.

In ceasing to intercede Christ is still with us -- but is no longer in his role as "Advocate" for "the Father Himself loves you"

If Christ is no longer our advocate, He is no longer interceding for us and He is a liar.

and as John points out in 1John 2:1 the only time we need him to step into that role of Advocate is when we rebel against Him.

Since the corruptible puts on incorruption at the trump of God, and since He has promised that He will never cease to intercede for us, then we can know for certain that He does not stop His work of intercession prior to His second coming.

"These things I write to you that you sin not - but if anyone does sin we HAVE an Advocate with the Father"

You claim that--one day--this will no longer be the case. Scripture does confirm your claim.

Are you quoting something?

Yes. I cited it in a prior post:

"Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them." Hebrews 7:25
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BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

You have written:

We are talking about future judgment in Romans 2 and Dan 7 where the Matt 7 principle of Christ "By their fruits you shall know them... not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who DOES the will of My Father" is being applied with the Dan 7 result "Judgment is passed in favor of the saints".
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And you have also written:

(6) AT THE CLOSE OF MY PROBATION, am I justified by works? No
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Please reconcile the two. If our salvation hinges upon our fruits, then are we justified by them?

Past justification is "salvific" it changes our status from lost to saved.

What must a man do in order to change his status from saved back to lost?

All saints will enter heaven as those "justified by grace through faith" -- both OT and NT saints -- there is only ONE Gospel and only ONE justification that changes your salvation status from lost to saved.

But yet you seem to assert that the judgment--which determines whether they will or will not enter Heaven--is based on that which they did or did not do. Correct?

Justification by grace through faith is the one and only way that ANYONE is a saint.

And yet, according to the SDA denomination, we are not saved solely by grace through faith:

“He told them that he had been pleading with his Father, and had offered to give his life a ransom, and take the sentence of death upon himself, that through him man might find pardon; that through the merits of his blood, and obedience to the law of God, they could have the favor of God, and be brought into the beautiful garden, and eat of the fruit of the tree of life.” (1SP 45.1)

“Only by perfect obedience to the requirements of God's holy law can man be justified.” (Manuscript Releases, vol. 8, pp. 98-99)

“While God can be just, and yet justify the sinner through the merits of Christ, no man can cover his soul with the garments of Christ's righteousness while practicing known sins, or neglecting known duties” (1 Selected Messages, p. 366).

"In the day of judgment many will be found wanting because they have been tested and proved of God and found unworthy of eternal life. God could not trust them in heaven. The decision will be made for eternity; he that is not faithful in that which is least cannot be entrusted with greater responsibilities. They will be judged by their works which have determined their character." (Publishing Ministry, p. 299).

"Christ does not lessen the claims of the law. In unmistakable language He presents obedience to it as the condition of eternal life—the same condition that was required of Adam before his Fall. The Lord expects no less of the soul now than He expected of man in Paradise, perfect obedience, unblemished righteousness. The requirement under the covenant of grace is just as broad as the requirement made in Eden—harmony with God’s law, which is holy, just, and good." (Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 391)

“God requires of all His subjects obedience, entire obedience to all His commandments. He demands now as ever perfect righteousness as the only title to heaven. Christ is our hope and our refuge. His righteousness is imputed only to the obedient!” (Review & Herald, Sept. 21, 1886)

“The condition of eternal life is now just what it always has been,—just what it was in Paradise before the fall of our first parents,—perfect obedience to the law of God, perfect righteousness. If eternal life were granted on any condition short of this, then the happiness of the whole universe would be imperiled. The way would be open for sin, with all its train of woe and misery, to be immortalized." (Steps to Christ, p. 62)

“Every impurity of thought, every lustful passion, separates the soul from God, for Christ can never put His robe of righteousness upon a sinner to hide his deformity.” (Our Higher Calling, p. 214)

"There is no safety nor repose nor justification in transgression of the law. Man cannot hope to stand innocent before God, and at peace with Him through the merits of Christ, while he continues in sin." (1 Selected Messages, p. 213)

"In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning." (Signs of the Times, March 3, 1888).

"To be redeemed means to cease from sin." (Review & Herald, Sept. 25, 1900).
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BFA

 

[Restin]

Justification by grace through faith is the one and only way that ANYONE is a saint.

Bob

That is good enough for me...
I also think it was good enough in the beginning for Adam and Eve.

Grace was only accessible to Adam and Eve -- through DEATH,
the same way it is accessible to us -- through DEATH!

Restin

 

[BobRyan]

Hey Bob, what do you interpret the fourth beast to be in Daniel 7?

Starts out as Pagan Rome -- then divides up.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

We see this as well in Romans 6 where Paul argues that IF you are a slave of sin -- then you are the servant of sin and your end is the 2nd death.
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Rom 6
5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin
7 for he who has died isfreed from sins.

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14For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
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BFA
There is no "IF" involved here:

"But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe."
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Indeed. In the Romans 6 case we are speaking of the saints -- in the verse you suggest we look at "instead" we are looking at how the lost person comes to Christ.


Two different subjects.


in Christ,


Bob
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[BobRyan]

Corruption in 1Cor 15 refers to the state of our decaying flesh.

BFA
Please research more carefully the Greek word phthartos. It is correctly defined--to change from good to bad in morals, manners or actions; to degrade with unsound principles or moral values; to subject a person to corruption; to alter from the original, pure and correct form; to become tainted or rotten; to become morally debased; to cause disintegration or ruin.

One might wonder why you claim that phthartos relates only to the decay of flesh.

Well a huge clue that this is the case is the context of 1Cor 15 AND the fact that Paul continues to address the same point with that same church in 2Cor 5:1-8. Pretty hard to miss actually.

First we look at 1Cor 15

35 But someone will say, ""How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?''
36 You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies;
37 and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else.
38 But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish.

So far it is pretty easy to notice that the focus is on the actual bodies themselves.

40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection from the dead, It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;

Here again - bodily resurrection. The body dies as a perishable body -- and the person is resurrected with an "imperishable body"

1Cor 15

43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

The types of body are still being compared.

1Cor 15

48 As is [b]the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly
49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will alsobear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now I say this, brethren, that [b]flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed
53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality

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This mortal -- must put on immortality. When the Trumpet (of 1Thess 4) sounds. At the "resurrection of the dead" 1Cor 15:42.

Which Paul argues is an event that takes place "at his coming" according to 1Cor 15.

Next we will see the same focus on the decaying body of this life vs the immortal body given to us at the resurrection in 2Cor 5.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

And now - the same focus on the perishable vs imperishable bodies between this life and those at the "resurrection of the dead" which happens at the sound of the "trumpet" according to 1Cor 15 and as Paul said there "At Christ's coming".

2 Corinthians 5

1 For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down , we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven
3 inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked
4 For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.

There is a focus on "This earthly tent" that is being "torn down" or as Paul says in 2Cor 4:16 "outer man decaying"

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Bob commenting on the text of Rev 15 where the sanctuary in heaven is closed down "in order that" the 7 last plagues can be poured out -- for as Paul notes Christ is the one mediator between God and man in the sanctuary "above" which God pitched and not man. (Heb 8:3-4)

Bob said

In ceasing to intercede Christ is still with us -- but is no longer in his role as "Advocate" for "the Father Himself loves you"​

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BFA

If Christ is no longer our advocate, He is no longer interceding for us and He is a liar.

Well he IS interceding for us now -- but at that future point in Rev 15 he will not be.

Did you really think that in heaven - Christ will continue to ask the Father to keep forgiving you for your ongoing rebellion even in heaven? Surely you think that it stops at some point.

Bob said

and as John points out in 1John 2:1 the only time we need him to step into that role of Advocate is when we rebel against Him.
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BFA

Since the corruptible puts on incorruption at the trump of God, and since He has promised that He will never cease to intercede for us, then we can know for certain that He does not stop His work of intercession prior to His second coming.

You have to ignore a lot of scripture to go down that road.

BFA

"These things I write to you that you sin not - but if anyone does sin we HAVE an Advocate with the Father"
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You claim that--one day--this will no longer be the case. Scripture does confirm your claim.

Err.. um... thanks!

Paul
"Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them." Hebrews 7:25

Heb 7 and 8 is where we find the role of Christ IN the heavenly sanctuary AS our mediator as the one who intercedes for us. The "one mediator between God and man" 2Tim 2.

No wonder John points out that the 7 last plagues of Rev 16 can not be poured while that mediation is going on.



in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

BFA
You have written:

Bob said

We are talking about future judgment in Romans 2 and Dan 7 where the Matt 7 principle of Christ "By their fruits you shall know them... not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but he who DOES the will of My Father" is being applied with the Dan 7 result "Judgment is passed in favor of the saints".

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True. As I have alraedy written Paul speaks of TWO justifications.

In Rom 5:1 he speaks of "justification past" where he says "having BEEN justified by faith WE HAVE peace with".

In Romans 2:13-16 he speaks of justification "future" where He says "it is not the hears that are just before God but the doers WILL BE justified"

The future justification event -- happens "on the day when according to my GOSPEL God WILL judge the secrets of all mankind" Rom 2:16.

That future justification is based on the "perseverance" principle of Rom 2:7. It is corporate and it is based on evidence. At the end "judgment is passed in favor of the saints" Dan 7:22.

But that future corporate justification does not change your salvation status.

Salvation status is only changed by the past justification - the moment you come to Christ you are born-again - saved. At that point -- not 500 years later.

BFA

And you have also written:

Bob said

(6) AT THE CLOSE OF MY PROBATION, am I justified by works? No

Please reconcile the two.

Two justifications. One changes your salvation status the other one does not.

One is based on the Rom 2:7 principle of "perseverance of the saints" where Paul speaks of "persevering in doing good" as in Rom 2:7 and the other is about surrender - where instead of "persevering in rebellion" you "give up".

If our salvation hinges upon our fruits, then are we justified by them?

Rom 2:13 makes it clear that you are justified by works as James said in that future justification "you see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" James 2. Romans 2 argues "it is not the hearers of the law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law WILL be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God WILL judge the secrets of all mankind." Rom 2:13-16.

But in that future justification where only the DOERS are "justifiied" your salvation status is not changed. Nobody "gets saved" in the I.J. Nobody gets "lost in the I.J".

It does not change salvation status -- rather it simply reveals what it already is -- be that good or bad -- according to Christ's rule in Matt 7 "the good tree produces good fruits... by their fruits you shall know them... not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will ENTER"

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The whole I.J doctrine resovles to these three things.

1. SDAs believe in a free will universe. And in that system the "Court sits and the books are opened" with "myriads and myriads in attendance".

2. SDAs believe in "perseverance of the saints" and in that system "Those who persevere in doing good" Rom 2:7 are shown to be the "good trees that have good fruit" Matt 7.

3. The Justification of Romans 5:1 "having been justified by faith we HAVE peace with God" is "salvific" it changes your salvation status instantly. The FUTURE justification that is mentioned in Rom 2:13-16 is not changing salvation status it is "revealing it" accurately and without error. It shows who the good tries are -- it shows who really is "a new creation" it shows "who by the Spirit has been putting to death the deeds of the flesh" Rom 8:13-16 and so "IS a child of God"

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The whole I.J doctrine resovles to these three things.

1. SDAs believe in a free will universe. And in that system the "Court sits and the books are opened" with "myriads and myriads in attendance".

2. SDAs believe in "perseverance of the saints" and in that system "Those who persevere in doing good" Rom 2:7 are shown to be the "good trees that have good fruit" Matt 7. As part of that - in the lives of the saint - sin is rebellion against God. Transgression of His Law. WE do not believe that the saints live in constant rebellion against God -- but rather that the 1John 2:1 statement is correct - we are not to sin and when we do sin we go to the Father in repentance via our "Advocate".

3. The Justification of Romans 5:1 "having been justified by faith we HAVE peace with God" is "salvific" it changes your salvation status instantly. The FUTURE justification that is mentioned in Rom 2:13-16 is not changing salvation status it is "revealing it" accurately and without error. It shows who the good tries are -- it shows who really is "a new creation" it shows "who by the Spirit has been putting to death the deeds of the flesh" Rom 8:13-16 and so "IS a child of God"

in Christ,

Bob

 

[JonMiller]

1. Is meaningless to us, if it is meaningless to us why have it as a central doctrine of the church?

I lot of what I have heard similar to 2. and 3. (when preached) seems to belittle and make a lie a lot of the early Christians mentioned in the Bible (The thief, the apostles, etc).

JM

 

[Adventtruth]

True. As I have alraedy written Paul speaks of TWO justifications.

In Rom 5:1 he speaks of "justification past" where he says "having BEEN justified by faith WE HAVE peace with".

In Romans 2:13-16 he speaks of justification "future" where He says "it is not the hears that are just before God but the doers WILL BE justified"

The future justification event -- happens "on the day when according to my GOSPEL God WILL judge the secrets of all mankind" Rom 2:16.

That future justification is based on the "perseverance" principle of Rom 2:7. It is corporate and it is based on evidence. At the end "judgment is passed in favor of the saints" Dan 7:22.

But that future corporate justification does not change your salvation status.

Salvation status is only changed by the past justification - the moment you come to Christ you are born-again - saved. At that point -- not 500 years later.

BFA
[/indent]And you have also written:

Two justifications. One changes your salvation status the other one does not.

One is based on the Rom 2:7 principle of "perseverance of the saints" where Paul speaks of "persevering in doing good" as in Rom 2:7 and the other is about surrender - where instead of "persevering in rebellion" you "give up".



Rom 2:13 makes it clear that you are justified by works as James said in that future justification "you see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" James 2. Romans 2 argues "it is not the hearers of the law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law WILL be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God WILL judge the secrets of all mankind." Rom 2:13-16.

But in that future justification where only the DOERS are "justifiied" your salvation status is not changed. Nobody "gets saved" in the I.J. Nobody gets "lost in the I.J".

It does not change salvation status -- rather it simply reveals what it already is -- be that good or bad -- according to Christ's rule in Matt 7 "the good tree produces good fruits... by their fruits you shall know them... not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will ENTER"

in Christ,

Bob​

Hi Bob. From reading your postings it very very clear that you have not gained the correct understanding of Pauls arguments in Romans chapter 2.

Paul is arguing that those, Jew or gentile, will be judged by works, because they are condemning others for the bad things they themsleves do. In this kind of judgment those who do well are justified and those who don't do well are condemned. His point is that there is none that does well, we are all sinners in need of Gods grace that we can be justified by grace alone.

AT​

 

[tall73]

Starts out as Pagan Rome -- then divides up.

in Christ,

Bob

And in chapter 7 would you say these powers were judged?

Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

 

[BobRyan]

Hi Bob. From reading your postings it very very clear that you have not gained the correct understanding of Pauls arguments in Romans chapter 2.

Paul is arguing that those, Jew or gentile, will be judged by works, because they are condemning others for the bad things they themsleves do. In this kind of judgment those who do well are justified and those who don't do well are condemned. His point is that there is none that does well, we are all sinners in need of Gods grace that we can be justified by grace alone.

AT

A thread on Romans 2 would be fun.

Would you like to start it -- or should I.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Adventtruth]

A thread on Romans 2 would be fun.

Would you like to start it -- or should I.

In Christ,

Bob

By my quest.

AT

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Well a huge clue that this is the case is the context of 1Cor 15 AND the fact that Paul continues to address the same point with that same church in 2Cor 5:1-8. Pretty hard to miss actually.

First we look at 1Cor 15
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So far it is pretty easy to notice that the focus is on the actual bodies themselves.



Here again - bodily resurrection. The body dies as a perishable body -- and the person is resurrected with an "imperishable body"



The types of body are still being compared.


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48 As is [b]the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly
49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will alsobear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now I say this, brethren, that [b]flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed
53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality

This mortal -- must put on immortality. When the Trumpet (of 1Thess 4) sounds. At the "resurrection of the dead" 1Cor 15:42.

Which Paul argues is an event that takes place "at his coming" according to 1Cor 15.

Next we will see the same focus on the decaying body of this life vs the immortal body given to us at the resurrection in 2Cor 5.

in Christ,

Bob

Your appraisal seems to ignore the clear references to human behavior and character that are also found in the chapter:

" 1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
5and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
6After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep;
7then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles;
8and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.
9For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
11Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.
12Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
14and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
15Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
17and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied. 20But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
21For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,
24then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
26The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
27For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.
28When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.
29Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
30Why are we also in danger every hour?
31I affirm, brethren, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus, what does it profit me? If the dead are not raised, LET US EAT AND DRINK, FOR TOMORROW WE DIE.
33Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals."
34Become sober-minded as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God I speak this to your shame.
35But someone will say, "How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?"
36You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies;
37and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else.
38But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own.
39All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish.
40There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another.
41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
42So also is the resurrection of the dead It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;
43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL " The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
47The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.
48As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
49Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly. 50Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [TWO DISTINCT IDEAS.]
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."
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