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Well that is not what the bible says. Read Leviticus 19:32, Job 32:6, Proverbs 23:22, 1 Timothy 5:1-2. If you tell her not to get her knickers in a twist that is very disrespectful according to society and the Bible. Age does not validate a position but it DOES demand respect.Bushido216 said:Age doesn't, on its own, validate one's position.
Nor, might I add, does lack of age automatically invalidate one's position (geocajun!).
Bushido216 said:I can't believe I read this post. Is this the summation of your arguements?
What I believe was said is that, like the world, this forum has members of many different faiths and opinions. We don't represent the world, we are representative of the world. Does this register?
Is this your forum? No. It's Erwin's. For the record, there are Christians only and Open forums. If you don't like the scary atheists, stay in the former. As well, part of any ministry is outreach to the non-believers. Are you suggesting that evangelizing isn't Christian? Please, let us not go down that route.
Why should an atheist be allowed to be a member of a Christian forum? Because it's a forum! Not a worship group. This isn't a parish or something, is it? No. It's internet software. Don't get you knickers in a twist.
And for the last time, atheists aren't evil. They just haven't met anyone who can convince them otherwise. Is that their fault or ours?
I again don't understand why you're in a twist about this. Do you want an exclusive club or something? If you want I can install an Invision Board and let you have a blast.
This is so typical. I'll paraphrase. "I'm not comfortable with letting people here other opinions because I'm not sure that we have done enough to protect them from hearing other people speak." That is really weak. Let everyone hear everyone else's opinion. That's the best way to strengthen someone's faith in God. At least that's how it worked for me. I can't believe that you want to shunt people away from the outside world because you are afraid that you will lose people!
Another word to the wise, experience the world outside of the nutshell that is your tiny life.
I'm Brian, pleasure to meet you!
Bushido216 said:Age doesn't, on its own, validate one's position.
Nor, might I add, does lack of age automatically invalidate one's position (geocajun!).
Don't get you knickers in a twist
Truth be Told, I didn't look at her age before posting, just like I didn't look at her gender, her bible version, or what type of dog she likes before posting. I took her position on their merits.Disciple 3 said:Well that is not what the bible says. Read Leviticus 19:32, Job 32:6, Proverbs 23:22, 1 Timothy 5:1-2. If you tell her not to get her knickers in a twist that is very disrespectful according to society and the Bible. Age does not validate a position but it DOES demand respect.
Precisely. And that is a very bad arguement to use. It opens you up to things like "why should I have faith" and "why shouldn't I have faith in something else?".debiwebi said:The Truth of the matter is the reason why we pratice in Faith is because Just as they cannot Prove that he does not conclusively exist we cannot conclusively by scientific theory that He does that is why we have Faith.
The scientific theory and logic combined does prove God. I will say again, matter is neither created or destroyed. It does not come from nothing, something cannot come from nothing. The atheist view contradicts this.Bushido216 said:Precisely. And that is a very bad arguement to use. It opens you up to things like "why should I have faith" and "why shouldn't I have faith in something else?".
Now, if you're afraid that we as Christians cannot provide strong enough arguements for being a theist, then that's a valid reason to not have the GA. But simple fear of exposure is being afraid of different things.
Miss Shelby said:
ShannonMcMorland said:Thank you for reading my post, Michelle! I guess people just really want to hang on to their need to be right and to prove their rightness to the world..... words are drivel... prayer and fasting, prayer and fasting, prayer and fasting....
KennySe said:If a newly "born again Christian" is foolish enough to enter a bar and yell at the top of his lungs, "You sinners are all going to hell!", shouldn't we "not-so-new" christians protect this new Christian from such folly?
(I imagine a thrown bottle at him, or a cuestick over his head.)
Likewise, I see merit in making the "Open to all areas, which ahave a good atheist population, as restricted to "new Christians.
And the only way thisa site could do such is to do what was similarly done with IDD, a poster must have 100 posts before posting in certain areas.
Our responsibility as Christians is to defend our Christian Faith, and to also protect our fellow Christians.
It's a figure of speech? Maybe it's an east coast thing.Christy4Christ said:I wasn't talking about your attitude toward her position, I was talking about your reference to her underpants!
Where did God come from?Disciple 3 said:The scientific theory and logic combined does prove God. I will say again, matter is neither created or destroyed. It does not come from nothing, something cannot come from nothing. The atheist view contradicts this.
Bushido216 said:It's a figure of speech? Maybe it's an east coast thing.
Bushido216 said:Where did God come from?
Fair enough.Gen 22:14 said:I can't believe you read my post either because you quite obviously didn't understand it or chose not to! No, this is most assuredly not the totality of my "arguments," however, in the interest of setting a good and kindly example for the younger generation I left some things unsaid!
Shouldn't NYJ decide what he meant?This sarcasm was uncalled for, but I love the activity on my thread so I can overlook these little lapses in judgement. Now, to the crux of the matter. According to World Book Unabridged Dictionary, one of the preferred definitions of "like" means "characteristic of." I would not want to argue semantics here, but characteristic of is akin to "of." Hence, my thesis stands.
And what I'm saying is that this isn't the place to start censoring that sort of thing. If atheists want to debate, there are numerous other places to do it. Only allowing your own brand of elites to post isn't going to help anyone. And trying to limit posting and / or viewing privelages to people you don't think can hack it isn't up to you, nor is it practical or right.No, I am most certainly not! However, I AM suggesting that evangelizing SHOULD be left to people with some degree of knowledge and experience if we are talking theological premises. I would not tackle these issues even with a B.A. in Religious Studies and some work towards my Masters under my belt. What I DO share is what Christ is doing in MY life. I can safely talk about this because it is with personal experience and reverance.
Why shouldn't they? I don't see any conclusive arguements why they ought not to be.No, I never said they shouldn't be a "member." I said "full-fledged member" which carries a completely different conotation. The early catechumis were members, just not full-fledged. And again, I find your sarcasm degrading.
So, if I'm not for Bush I'm against him? If I'm not for the plumber down the street I'm against him? Is it possible I just don't care one way or the other about the issue? I know many atheists, and most of them don't care one way or another about God. He simply doesn't register on their radars. While I admit that this isn't right, I think that you eliminating the grey area is highly unnecessary.Sorry, but if you are not for God you are against him. I will not back down on this! And good point! It IS our fault. But I only want to talk about how much I love Jesus and how good He is. Grave matters of faith need to be left to ones more proficient than I!
Okay... salvation is good. I believe that we can all accept this. I fail to see what this has to do with you and I, and our discussion. Please elucidate.No, that's just it! This is not a CLUB! This is salvation we are talking about and I take that very seriously indeed! I can only speak for myself, but, I would sooner live the beatitudes than speak them. I leave the speaking to the experts.
Like I said. You, and many others, are so afraid of their own inabilities to convince others of the goodness of Christ that you're unafraid to show people any other alternatives.Unfortunately, the "weak" thing is that some peoples theology is "weak" and should be studied more extensively before we run around teaching half-truths.
All I meant to opine is that you don't seem to have had any interaction with atheists besides the few militant ones on these forums and what your priests have told you about them.My tiny life? How respectful, loving and Christian is that?
I assure you, statistics is not nearly as grand as guidance counselors would have you believe.I'm Donna and would that my life were as grand as yours.
Amen.Love in Christ!
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