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ok! Then I understand where you are coming from.
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ok! Then I understand where you are coming from.Fair point, but the people I was thinking of aren't necessarily celibate.
Quite true. I know a large number of homosexual individuals who are culturally conservative and are completely turned off by the politicization of their sexuality.Speaking as someone with experience, many same-sex attracted celibate Christians do not identify as "gay" or identify with the LGBT community because it's too political. We do not like those terms.
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It is an enormous can of worms when one looks into seminaries and colleges. That ought to be the topic of another thread IMO.What about colleges?
I just read an article about Wheaton College that I think is concerning. It may be something for you to check out more thoroughly and then consider prayerfully listing it...
When the 'Harvard of Christian Schools’ goes woke | Fox News
The historic Christian faith has always upheld the goodness of the created orderwww.foxnews.com
^^ Fox News link..
We had a gay cantor. When it got discovered he became a gay ex-cantor. at least never to show up in that parish again.I’ve never met a gay organist or a gay monk, and I know a few hundred of each. Gay interior designers, fashion designers, flight attendants and even a minority pilots, sure.
Actually in the Orthodox Church it is forbidden by an ancient canon for anyone to become a monk “because they abhor womankind,” which is an old fashioned way of conveying the concept of homosexuality. Additionally, it has been forbidden since the late fourth century for boys to live in Orthodox monasteries, whereas it took much longer for this to be adopted in the West with regards to oblates, but adopted it was.
Present tense or past tense?At the Catholic cathedral here in Davenport, Iowa and at the largest Missouri Synod Lutheran church in the area the organists, who were extremely skilled and popular, were both gay.
The Lutheran organist was actively gay until his death about two years ago and the Catholic organist is still happily living with his partner.Present tense or past tense?
I meant were they still at their parishes after this became public.The Lutheran organist was actively gay until his death about two years ago and the Catholic organist is still happily living with his partner.
These aspects of the personal lives have never been made "public". These men were/are not particularly interested in broadcasting their personal lives any more than any other average person. Nor were/are they interested in concealing themselves in a monastery as some men in their circumstances have done. The simple facts are that good organists (or organists in general) are a rapidly disappearing breed, as are clergy, especially Catholic clergy. As they say, beggars can't be choosers. The church authorities seem to have accommodated themselves to various peccadillos of their staff.I meant were they still at their parishes after this became public.
Nor were/are they interested in concealing themselves in a monastery as some men in their circumstances have done.
Interesting video; it seems that heterodoxy is not a big concern for many (maybe most Christians):
Lutherans Officially Allowed to Receive Eucharist
The public practice of interfaith Communion is spreading.www.churchmilitant.com
I have very sincere doubts that any monks are active homosexuals. Some may suffer from same-sex attractions, but I really doubt that they decided that life in a monastery would provide an outlet for the sexual proclivities. Monastic life is hardly a life of ease or luxury.I should note that I have never met in person a bona fide monk who I had reason to believe was gay, but I have only ever visited Eastern and Oriental Orthodox monasteries, although there was the case of the Greek Old Calendarist Elder Panteleimon, who broke communion with ROCOR after they began investigating allegations of sexual harassment from novice monks, and worse, he took a group of 17 Greek parishes with him into schism. Its a great tragedy.
Under the canon law of the Early Church which is still in effect in the Eastern Orthodox church, one cannot become a monk if one abhorrs the idea of sex with women. However, someone who triumphed over the sin is eligible.
I have very sincere doubts that any monks are active homosexuals. Some may suffer from same-sex attractions, but I really doubt that they decided that life in a monastery would provide an outlet for the sexual proclivities. Monastic life is hardly a life of ease or luxury.
I remember reading a book by a monk some time ago (sorry, the details escape my memory, although I think he was an Anglican monk) in which he commented that most people who can marry, do; and, therefore, that most people who end up choosing monastic life had some reason which made marriage difficult for them. In his case, he was same-sex attracted, and found monastic life as life-giving a place to live faithfully with that as anywhere else.I have very sincere doubts that any monks are active homosexuals. Some may suffer from same-sex attractions, but I really doubt that they decided that life in a monastery would provide an outlet for the sexual proclivities. Monastic life is hardly a life of ease or luxury.
There was Father Seraphim Rose, who lead an active homosexual lifestyle, and later left when he became Orthodox.I have very sincere doubts that any monks are active homosexuals. Some may suffer from same-sex attractions, but I really doubt that they decided that life in a monastery would provide an outlet for the sexual proclivities. Monastic life is hardly a life of ease or luxury.
I think it's been determined that it's false.Interesting video; it seems that heterodoxy is not a big concern for many (maybe most Christians):
Lutherans Officially Allowed to Receive Eucharist
The public practice of interfaith Communion is spreading.www.churchmilitant.com
Can you verify that it is false? There was a big stink about joint ELCA/Catholic services in a parish in the Western US; I know of another couple of ELCA parishes where inter communion is common with their local Catholic community. It is even happening in a town 8 miles away; Lutherans communing in a Catholic Church, and the Priest knows it. The Catholic Church in Germany is notoriously liberal, and there is likely at least a thread of truth at a local level if not country wide.I think it's been determined that it's false.
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