Competition

[WarriorAngel]

Perspective.
Define your idea of competition.

Michie gave very superb answers.

IMHO life is a competitive existence. We compete with ourselves to do better.
We inadvertently must compete with atheism etc for souls...
So define your argument or question with regard to competition.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Hi Mark,
Not sure humankind already tried to promote excellence without competition. I'm not neither specialist of OT, but didn't David started life as a meer shepherd, far from competing with his brothers. What about the patriarch Joseph, that brought about jealousy amid his brotherhood ?

Haha not so sure there wasn't competition involved in those examples, too, but sure, you've got a point. I'm not saying competition is HOW excellence comes, but that it does tend to promote excellence.

 

[peter2]

Define your idea of competition.

Michie gave very superb answers.

IMHO life is a competitive existence.

sorry, WA, 13 and 14 July are french national feast, i'm a bit busy.
As for your question, i would say competition' s never be spiritual on a world basis or/and in any championship
PS i agree with Michie's posts. Just completing them a bit

 

[peter2]

Haha not so sure there wasn't competition involved in those examples, too, but sure, you've got a point. I'm not saying competition is HOW excellence comes, but that it does tend to promote excellence.

Hi Mark, i would say the best excellence displays itself without competition between men. Survival, and promotion of life are may be sufficient to bring about excellence, and the best one

 

[Mark Quayle]

Hi Mark, i would say the best excellence displays itself without competition between men. Survival, and promotion of life are may be sufficient to bring about excellence, and the best one

Yes, quite possibly.

I'm just thinking competition, in and of itself, is not bad, (not even antagonistic, really, though it can lend itself to antagonism.)

 

[peter2]

Yes, quite possibly.

I'm just thinking competition, in and of itself, is not bad, (not even antagonistic, really, though it can lend itself to antagonism.)

Well, it's not what brings about my unwillingness.
It's rather this:
Is humankind able to build a worldwide relationship not based on competition. If yes, i'm longing for, if no, i think that it's where lies a real communication related or behavioral problem

 

[Mark Quayle]

Is humankind's worldwide relationship based on competition? If so, then it's also based on lots of other things, seems to me. For example, self-interest, self-preservation.

But according to Scripture, yes, there is a huge behavioral problem, regardless of what we might credit as the problem. Sin. The mind of the flesh. There are all sorts of things worse than mere competition that are what make competition look bad.

But what would you think is a reasonable substitute or alternative for competition, in your thinking, as a basis for 'worldwide relationship'?

 

[peter2]

Is humankind's worldwide relationship based on competition? If so, then it's also based on lots of other things, seems to me. For example, self-interest, self-preservation.

i agree

There are all sorts of things worse than mere competition that are what make competition look bad

i think the main part of those things originates in competition. The main part of many addictive behaviors, that also seem to favor indefinitely some outbiding sharpened habits and/or minds are probably formated thanks to à taste for competition.

But what would you think is a reasonable substitute or alternative for competition, in your thinking, as a basis for 'worldwide relationship'?

It would require a worldwide poll or survey to answer this question, i cannot give my personnal thinking for this of other people

 

[Mark Quayle]

i agree

i think the main part of those things originates in competition. The main part of many addictive behaviors, that also seem to favor indefinitely some outbiding sharpened habits and/or minds are probably formated thanks to à taste for competition.

It would require a worldwide poll or survey to answer this question, i cannot give my personnal thinking for this of other people

I can't even think of anything for myself, were I to be in a position to answer the poll.

Truth, I think there can be no such thing during this life. It can't happen til Christ himself rules it all, as supreme King.

I also think that there may be a semblance of competition, even in Heaven. But not mean, not selfish, not self-aggrandizing, but all in good fun, good humor, and in enjoyment of excellence.

 

[peter2]

I can't even think of anything for myself, were I to be in a position to answer the poll.

Truth, I think there can be no such thing during this life. It can't happen til Christ himself rules it all, as supreme King.

hello Mark,
Doesn't it seem to you Christ "placed the ball in humankind's court", in the same manner the Apostles were prompted outside of their refuge by the Holy Spirit?
Doesn't it seem to you the christian world is able to push things toward this other relationship that would slowly allow humankind (or at least christianity) to better itself?

 

[peter2]

Truth, I think there can be no such thing during this life. It can't happen til Christ himself rules it all, as supreme King

Sorry for this insistant remark, Mark, but doesn't your post make you look like thé servant that buries his mina?

 

[Mark Quayle]

hello Mark,
Doesn't it seem to you Christ "placed the ball in humankind's court", in the same manner the Apostles were prompted outside of their refuge by the Holy Spirit?
Doesn't it seem to you the christian world is able to push things toward this other relationship that would slowly allow humankind (or at least christianity) to better itself?

Your notion implies, or at least I infer from it, globalism, to which I am adamantly opposed until HE is the one doing it. History and prophecy both show that globalism is always tyranny, or results in tyranny, not to mention the impracticality of it.

Prophecy shows that mankind will not better itself.

That doesn't mean I should not push for 'better', of course. The fact that prophecy is gloomy until he comes doesn't mean that I should give up and let America, or the world, pursue tyranny.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Sorry for this insistant remark, Mark, but doesn't your post make you look like thé servant that buries his mina?

Thanks for the wound. Sometimes I am reminded, that to whom much has been given much will be required. I am very self-serving.

However, I am curious how you got that from what I said. Not at all saying I deny what you said. Also, curious if you are getting at something else by saying it, and what that 'something else' might be.

 

[peter2]

Your notion implies, or at least I infer from it, globalism, to which I am adamantly opposed until HE is the one doing it.

May i ask you why ?
As far as globalism relationship is concerned, i was just thinking of a worldwide therapy in weaning of our addiction of competition. But it requires a true and will, not the kind of will you satisfy with a cigarettte, but the kind of will you need to stop smoking. If we just allow time to give humanity a taste for a substitute (i use your word) that could possibly replace this (taste) for competition

That doesn't mean I should not push for 'better', of course. The fact that prophecy is gloomy until he comes doesn't mean that I should give up and let America, or the world, pursue tyranny.

As you said, i'm not sure it's so good to wait for prophecies to happen. So as to not be fatalistic

Thanks for the Wound. Sometimes I am reminded, that to whom much has been given much will be required. I am very self-serving.

Thanks for your benevolence and humility. I feared my try in fraternal correction was very bad and poor.
I answer your question in next post.

 

[peter2]

Also, curious if you are getting at something else by saying it, and what that 'something else' might be.

Your post simply displayed some sort of fatalism. And, as for :

I also think that there may be a semblance of competition, even in Heaven. But not mean, not selfish, not self-aggrandizing, but all in good fun, good humor, and in enjoyment of excellence.

i once heard a priest speaking of paradise as a deep communion between christians, i assume it was his conception of the communion of saints extended to the whole christianity. (you have noticed i'm catholic). I'm not sure it's a catholic belief, nor even a christian, but my spirit still feeds itself on this priest's sermon that displayed the idea paradise is a state to be live only in the being, not an individual being but a common one.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Your post simply displayed some sort of fatalism. And, as for :
i once heard a priest speaking of paradise as a deep communion between christians, i assume it was his conception of the communion of saints extended to the whole christianity. (you have noticed i'm catholic). I'm not sure it's a catholic belief, nor even a christian, but my spirit still feeds itself on this priest's sermon that displayed the idea paradise is a state to be live only in the being, not an individual being but a common one.

I am sure there is something to that. Yet I can't see it as anything apart from Christ.

 

[peter2]

Yet I can't see it as anything apart from Christ.

Just not sure about that.
Christ and chistianism strangely look like mother and maternity to me. Now, i wonder whether once born, this kind of baby (christian humanity) remains attached to its kind of mother, or whether he lives on his own

 

[Mark Quayle]

Just not sure about that.
Christ and chistianism strangely look like mother and maternity to me. Now, i wonder whether once born, this kind of baby (christian humanity) remains attached to its kind of mother, or whether he lives on his own

I would say, read John 17 for an answer to that. We are not our own, and were not made for ourselves. We are not raised to live up to our potentiality, but to become that for which we were made. And we will become that.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I would say, read John 17 for an answer to that. We are not our own, and were not made for ourselves. We are not raised to live up to our potentiality, but to become that for which we were made. And we will become that.

We're made to be loved.

 

[peter2]

I would say, read John 17 for an answer to that. We are not our own, and were not made for ourselves. We are not raised to live up to our potentiality, but to become that for which we were made. And we will become that.

It seems you were right, but my certitude about that comes from Jn 14,3